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 greenskin lynn wrote:


interesting stuff. A boardgame version would certainly open up sales options in new locations, and depending on price maybe be a nice way for people to bulk out factions or whatnot i guess, i'm not super familiar with the game though i've been often impressed with the models for it


Mythic Games, though....
Their enthusiasm outweighs their ability-they've never managed to deliver a campaign on time, and, whilst their miniatures are lovely, their writing and rules leave a lot to be desired.
   
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Nothing inspires a retailer to stock something more than knowing it's already been sold to the core customer base before it hits the streets.

Sure, there're retailer pledges, but having money tied up for months (if not years) with no promise that the product will arrive is not appealing.

But I'm drifting into a different topic....
   
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Tamwulf wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
I'd have expected more discussion of the factors within PP that caused the complete collapse of their community, but it's absent any of that. If your company has experienced such a complete and comprehensive collapse under your watch, self reflection might be helpful in figuring out how to move forward.

Ah well. I'm finishing painting the PP stuff I have and I'll use it in Dungeons and Dragons and Age of Fantasy. Some day Mk2 will be a retro game and I'll be able to find people to play with.


You don't know Matt Wilson at all. People could go on for pages and pages about the internal personal trials and tribulations of the staff and ownership, and how it has influenced the game. An early ex-employee told me back in 2004 that Privateer Press is successful despite Privateer Press. It was inevitable that it would collapse under the exploding popularity and management of the game. The state of the game is a far cry from where it was back in late 00's.


Cyel wrote:I'm sure there's self-reflection on their failure. I don't think any company does such things in public, though.


It's something a professor once called the "curse of entrepreneurism." Basically, the traits, skills, and attributes that are required to create a new company around a new product are often detrimental to the long term stewardship of the company. So, founding a company and creating a new product requires a borderline arrogant confidence in your abilities and the value of the product, but once the market turns away, it takes different skills to retool.

It's also known as "founder's syndrome." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder%27s_syndrome

From everything I've heard about PP, they slot nicely into those. so no, I'm not surprised there isn't more self awareness, as Wilson probably genuinely does not see how his own actions have lead to the collapse of his company.

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grahamdbailey wrote:
 greenskin lynn wrote:


interesting stuff. A boardgame version would certainly open up sales options in new locations, and depending on price maybe be a nice way for people to bulk out factions or whatnot i guess, i'm not super familiar with the game though i've been often impressed with the models for it


Mythic Games, though....
Their enthusiasm outweighs their ability-they've never managed to deliver a campaign on time, and, whilst their miniatures are lovely, their writing and rules leave a lot to be desired.


Well Privateer should be handling all the rules. So that shouldn't be an issue I would hope.
   
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On Episode 183 of Line of Sight, Jaden and Bret welcome on Brian AKA Malorian and we have a chat about the future of Warmachine! Such topics as the future meta for SR 2021, the fate of the new terrain types, and what each of us would do if we were in charge of Warmachine for a year abound. Come check it all out on Episode 183 of Line of Sight!

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grahamdbailey wrote:
 greenskin lynn wrote:


interesting stuff. A boardgame version would certainly open up sales options in new locations, and depending on price maybe be a nice way for people to bulk out factions or whatnot i guess, i'm not super familiar with the game though i've been often impressed with the models for it


Mythic Games, though....
Their enthusiasm outweighs their ability-they've never managed to deliver a campaign on time, and, whilst their miniatures are lovely, their writing and rules leave a lot to be desired.


This is my concern as well.
It would seem that so long as Mythic aren’t involved in the design or development of the rules it might turn out all right. However, their ability to deliver on time is what’s a major factor.
They have….5 outstanding KS campaigns as it is. Every one of those projects is delayed by at least 6 months, and one of which has been delayed for close to 3 years.
Due to it being a collaborative effort with Mythic I’ll seriously question if I’ll even back it.
   
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MonPoc is probably my favorite game of all time. Marvel is perhaps edging it out, but I particularly love the new edition. It's definitely a great option as a board game though. Curious to see how the models turn out. The new monster sculpts of 2nd ed are really great, but the units REALLY don't need to be made out of high end materials.
   
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On episode 184 of Line of Sight, Bret and Jaden are joined by Chad, Justin, and Max of Turn 2 Pee Break, the winners of the first ever Brawlmachine Team Championship! They are subject to a host of questions about their tournament experience, thoughts on Brawlmachine and terrain, and more on this episode of Line of Sight!

https://www.loswarmachine.com/line-of-sight-podcast/2021/9/3/line-of-sight-episode-184-interviewing-the-brawlmachine-team-champions


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Here's a tutorial on painting insect-like wings!

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More of a PP community thread post, it seems?

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So wierd coming on to this thread. I spend 2 days a week playing and supporting Warmachine and Riot Quest, while another guy in the community is learning the rules to support Mondays and another guy is supporting a Warcaster scene.

It is almost like, instead of a "state of the game" and how to improve it on a personal level it has bubbled into a whine site for a handful of disenfranchised players, with some players who are actually active players and supporting scenes dropping wholesome goodness.

 
   
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it is odd at times, isn't it

That said, i've really enjoyed the people that have been dropping content links in here
   
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 greenskin lynn wrote:
it is odd at times, isn't it

That said, i've really enjoyed the people that have been dropping content links in here


Glad to hear it The radio silence here is eery sometimes....
   
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Enjoy the content as well! I just tend to save links to longer media for when I'm doing chores or painting which doesn't leave me on the forums to comment when I'm done.
   
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 LoS_Jaden wrote:
 greenskin lynn wrote:
it is odd at times, isn't it

That said, i've really enjoyed the people that have been dropping content links in here


Glad to hear it The radio silence here is eery sometimes....


As much as anything I think this a function of dakka just not having much of a WMH audience. I know if I'm looking to discuss the games, I just hit up the LOS discord nowadays. Still stop through this thread when I happen to be here though.

Anyway, love what you guys do.
   
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marxlives wrote:
So wierd coming on to this thread. I spend 2 days a week playing and supporting Warmachine and Riot Quest, while another guy in the community is learning the rules to support Mondays and another guy is supporting a Warcaster scene.

It is almost like, instead of a "state of the game" and how to improve it on a personal level it has bubbled into a whine site for a handful of disenfranchised players, with some players who are actually active players and supporting scenes dropping wholesome goodness.
A whine thread would have people whining, which would actually be a better indicator for the state of the game. People whining, if we are going to unilaterally label criticism as that, still means people care enough to do it. Dead silence means even the haters don't care anymore.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
marxlives wrote:
So wierd coming on to this thread. I spend 2 days a week playing and supporting Warmachine and Riot Quest, while another guy in the community is learning the rules to support Mondays and another guy is supporting a Warcaster scene.

It is almost like, instead of a "state of the game" and how to improve it on a personal level it has bubbled into a whine site for a handful of disenfranchised players, with some players who are actually active players and supporting scenes dropping wholesome goodness.
A whine thread would have people whining, which would actually be a better indicator for the state of the game. People whining, if we are going to unilaterally label criticism as that, still means people care enough to do it. Dead silence means even the haters don't care anymore.


I feel like the crowds for the games, good and ill, have simply moved away from forums. The groups on facebook, for example, have a pretty steady stream of posts and content, with the added bonus of PP staff dropping in from time to time. I haven't been on the discord stuff, so i can't comment on how active it is
   
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There's definitely a lot of activity on discord as well. In general a lot of the old community hubs (Muse) have faded out and been replaced with new ones. LoS seems to be leading the charge, but there's a lot of faction specific communities as well.
   
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Slipping slipping:

https://home.privateerpress.com/2021/09/23/warmachine-hordes-dynamic-update-preview/

Looks like a great change. All the nerfs targeted here seem on point and the mass buff will hopefully go a long way towards resolving the biggest issue created from the switch to CID after the MK3 launch.
   
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I love when poewrgaming no-brainers get deserved nerfs. Way to go, PP! Better late than never.
   
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A lot of the nerfs that hit my stuff are very much of the "finally" camp for me. Archons taking up so much of every list was beyond stale.
   
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glad i hadn't updated my cygnar cards recently like i had thought of doing, looks like a lot of change on the horizon for them
   
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Really have to say that those all look like pretty positive changes.

Interested to see how this shakes up the Brawlmachine ban list.
   
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Genuinely, as a player, im onboard with this announcement from the dev team. Long overdue. Im really positive about this on first reading. Can wait to see what my Trolls Look like after this is all implemented. But this is an announcement is really "internal" and for the player base that is left.

Will this bring older/lapsed player back? Maybe?
Will this attract new player? No, unless they see this announcement in passing and they decide to take a look
Will this change the attitude of much of community? No they will just rebuild their top comp lists with the new stats and hammer 2 list SR in hopes of getting to big comps as they have been
Will this be of interest or can/is it be marketed to the wider wargaming community to drum up interest and a conversation about WM/H, increase visibility? No.
Does this do anything to repair or start to rebuild the view of WM/H that the rest of the wargaming community has? No, if anything it adds to the bad rep in a way.
Will this do anything to encourage stores to stock PP goods or rebuild their relationship with the company? No.

PP and WM/H main issues are not to do with the on table rules and stats/balance. And this does nothing to address this. Fay and the dev team are doing really really good work here, but its not going to fix the issues with WM/H or help its growth IMO.

But i suppose if the existing player base is excited again some of the above may follow?

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The trees aren't alive ? What a strange fix

Good job Wells are a PITA to legit get over here

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I think the wells are just straight up terrible design, but that ship has long sailed.


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The announcement has certainly been interesting around here. Literally the day prior we had a new player ask about the game at the shop and it kind of got people really talking again. The announcement then really got people excited and now there's a bunch of people that have been on the sides looking to play.

I saw someone mention that the best part of this is that they ripped the bandaid off by announcing the nerfs first, but left players with a ton to discuss and be excited for. Rather clever if it was intentional.

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Anything that pushes down the archons is a positive change. Each one of those were blatant power creep.

Another player and I have started trying out Brawlmachine and are slowly getting some old players interested again. Our local store refuses to stock them again. Can't blame them since PP has been undercutting them with a six month (and still going) mystery box. I don't think the price for most colossals will ever hit retail again.
   
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On Episode 187 of Line of Sight, the gang is here to break down the fairly massive slew of changes coming to Warmachine and Hordes this year. Come get the scoop, some luke-warm takes, and some insight into the future of the epic list in Brawlmachine on this latest episode of Line of Sight! https://www.loswarmachine.com/line-of-sight-podcast/2021/9/24/line-of-sight-episode-187-dynamic-update-overview
   
 
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