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One small complaint with the Scions sprue though....You can give two of the squaddies Hot-Shot volley guns, but only one Hot-shot volley gun is included on the sprue. Hot-Shot volley guns are supposed to be good all-around Marine/Nob/Armored infantry killers. I usually sacrifice my elites as a scary distraction/diversion for my opponent, but this weapon seems to have a decent offensive capability. You need to buy more than one box, I guess that's the idea (or convert your own double-barreled hellguns)

did i get this right that there is only one box...and that you could either build a command platoon OR a stormtrooper squad out of the sprue? GW website is making a difference between the two options... same for the bullgryns/ogryns...???...i am being daft here...right?

and indeed it is converters paredise with the scion sprue...found the bitz already on bitz sites (a tad pricey if you ask me) and i have seen some nice bitz that add a ton of character... for instance the holstered lasgun...that is a nice touch... also the greatcoat set is nice...would love to see that built ...

the only thing i don´t really like that much is the suspensor to the leg bitz... that is a bit more medival than i like in my minis... tho probably not that daft to wear, eh?^^

You mean the codpeices? Yeah, keeping your nuts safe is important Yes, from the same box you can either build 5 stormtroopers or 5 command squad stormtroopers. However, you don't need the command squads to play them. A squad is 5 guys, with options to add up to 5 more to the squad for 12 points each plus gear. Ogryns/Bullgryns are the same.

it is quite confusing how they advertise it as two seperate boxes instead of one box with two ways to build them...

but we live and learn^^...

i think these will do nicley for my own army build...i think if i mix them with pistolier heads they will blend in pretty well...

if i just didn´t have so much work on my terrain piece to do

I think the confusion is that they don't label them as Scions/Command squad on the box. That seems a trend with the new box style from GW...It's as if they don't ever think it all the way through or something.

They've thought it through carefully.

GW exec1 "we will cut the number of troops in the box but add lots of extras to entice HHHobbyists"
GW exec2 "sir, then people will only buy the minimum number of troops"
GW exec1 "don't be silly boy, we will not provide enough of all the good bits so they will buy a second box to have all options. Muhhahahaha!"
GW exec2, scratching his head momentarily. "But....won't some third party come up with similar weapons and parts and get sales like the last 56783 times we did tha..........OW!" Being slapped by exec1
GW exec1 "it won't matter, its all part of my cunning plan, we will release Warhammer 40k version 7.01 in a few months and the models will be obsolete as soon as the rules leak out." Grinds hands and snickers to himself. "Why do you think we have made such ugly kits like the centurions, taurox, and storm chicken.."
GW exec2 "talon sir, talon, no chicke....OW!"
GW exec1 "never interrupt me again! Now where was I. Oh yes, we saved money by not paying anyone over 6 years old to design our models, give them the HHHottest™ rules around, then once they are hooked we change the game and bring in wave 2 of the rules ruining the wave 1 items and releasing the new HHHotness™. It is a winning cycle that these fools will never escape."
GW exec2 "what if they get tired of all the new rules and move on to something not GW?"
GW exec 1 "then we send in the Legal Department!"
GW exec2 "Riiiiiiiiiiiight, I'll see you later sir, seems mantic is hiring any former GW staff that don't have their HHHeads™(by mantic) up their "

Sorry I started and just couldn't stop , probably should have hit delete, but hopefully someone gets a giggle even if its AT poor old Theophony"

We'll increase the cost of everything, and start selling $100+ models, and limited edition models, and that will convert us into a "Collectible" hobby, and that's where the money is.

It worked for Model Railroading, it'll work for us.

You can slap a Cadillac badge on a Tahoe or slap a Lexus Badge on a Toyota and charge 25% more for it. Where you been Brian?

Oh well, there's always the grenade launcher on the sprue...Guard players never have enough grenade launchers in their bitz boxes. It's not like the great Meltagun shortage of 2009.


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I'm thinking that the weapons and arms may need to be painted separately as will the heads....

@Vik- they are a bit more Baroque than Medieval I think....

dsteingass wrote:I think the confusion is that they don't label them as Scions/Command squad on the box. That seems a trend with the new box style from GW...It's as if they don't ever think it all the way through or something.

the thing is I could make a screenshot of the website of the GW shop and it shows two entries... which reeks of stupidity...in my humble opinion...

Theophony wrote:They've thought it through carefully.

GW exec1 "we will cut the number of troops in the box but add lots of extras to entice HHHobbyists"
GW exec2 "sir, then people will only buy the minimum number of troops"
GW exec1 "don't be silly boy, we will not provide enough of all the good bits so they will buy a second box to have all options. Muhhahahaha!"
GW exec2, scratching his head momentarily. "But....won't some third party come up with similar weapons and parts and get sales like the last 56783 times we did tha..........OW!" Being slapped by exec1
GW exec1 "it won't matter, its all part of my cunning plan, we will release Warhammer 40k version 7.01 in a few months and the models will be obsolete as soon as the rules leak out." Grinds hands and snickers to himself. "Why do you think we have made such ugly kits like the centurions, taurox, and storm chicken.."
GW exec2 "talon sir, talon, no chicke....OW!"
GW exec1 "never interrupt me again! Now where was I. Oh yes, we saved money by not paying anyone over 6 years old to design our models, give them the HHHottest™ rules around, then once they are hooked we change the game and bring in wave 2 of the rules ruining the wave 1 items and releasing the new HHHotness™. It is a winning cycle that these fools will never escape."
GW exec2 "what if they get tired of all the new rules and move on to something not GW?"
GW exec 1 "then we send in the Legal Department!"
GW exec2 "Riiiiiiiiiiiight, I'll see you later sir, seems mantic is hiring any former GW staff that don't have their HHHeads™(by mantic) up their "

Sorry I started and just couldn't stop , probably should have hit delete, but hopefully someone gets a giggle even if its AT poor old Theophony"

LOL...theo at its best... I actually pictured that scene rather vividly in my mind... you seem to have quite the insights in mad marketing it seems... it takes a thief to catch one...

Briancj wrote:We'll increase the cost of everything, and start selling $100+ models, and limited edition models, and that will convert us into a "Collectible" hobby, and that's where the money is.

It worked for Model Railroading, it'll work for us.

that's my take on the hobby anyways as I am probably forever too dumb to play it...and no one currently there to play with me^^

dsteingass wrote:You can slap a Cadillac badge on a Tahoe or slap a Lexus Badge on a Toyota and charge 25% more for it. Where you been Brian?

Oh well, there's always the grenade launcher on the sprue...Guard players never have enough grenade launchers in their bitz boxes. It's not like the great Meltagun shortage of 2009.

what a crazy world we live in...


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also... after the auto adding of the sprue...

have you noticed that the head/necks are now just after the SM image designed? what does this tell us?

and... what do you think of the posings possible to the legs...? will they be able to kneel?


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@Vik- they are a bit more Baroque than Medieval I think....

totally up my alley in fact as I lend towards a more da vinci era anyways after my recent works...the turtle tank finalised my scheme I think in my head^^

 dsteingass wrote:

Oh well, there's always the grenade launcher on the sprue...Guard players never have enough grenade launchers in their bitz boxes. It's not like the great Meltagun shortage of 2009.

Please tell me you're joking about not having enough grenade launchers.

I thought grenade launchers are as common ad flamers in anyone's bitz box...

That was sarcasm, but yes, craploads of grenade launchers, and no real use for them. At least flamers don't scatter.


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@Vik- Yes, it appears that with a bit of work, kneeling poses could be possible. As for the heads/necks.>I suppose armored torsos make the difference.

Thing is, I really like the look of the Valhallan grenade launchers, and the missile launchers. Its too bad they aren't the most effective things in an army list.

Plus, Theophony... I like the Storm Talon. :(

I hope the addition of a metal trim to the armour is not the start of a trend for GW... They are better looking than the Chaos things, but a bit unnecessary in my eyes.

Also, would it amuse you to know that I started buying GW models to save me money on my plastic-crack addiction...

Some of my helmetless spoiled troops are showing their tragic gene issues, a fairly stable defect, but still, makes my marines ab-humans of sorts, which freaks out other marine players as I fly things in the face of their fluff. I prefer the rocky road to vanilla!

I like guard for the ides of having to be more cautious with assets or also sacrifice others, the fact of camo painting makes the models more interesting as also, these are normal guys and gals doing their part! They get average stats, weapons that are about middle range, and still even if given better gear and guns, fight everything the Marines have to face. I think that makes for some damn good stories from such fights.

I like the ornate additions to the armor. 40K should have a bit more Baroque on Guard at times. 30K Imperials seem all fashioned out of an eclectic mix of historical European styles. With Guard being from a million different worlds, and armor being manufactured all over, I think there is definitely room for many styles. WE are the ones brainwashed remember? The Vostroyans had a great Baroque feel to them I think, backed up by that one great short story about the facial hair too. Each Imperial governor can run his world as he sees fit as long as he keeps up his Imperial tithes remember? And they all develop their own styles, traditions and ways of life over the Millennia. STC tech was only really used to colonize worlds, not everything NEEDS to look the same. That's all our minds.

Besides..these are Schola boys..they get the best of the best.

I'm all for things looking different. But that's the issue I have with the moulded on details like the trim, it makes it more difficult to personalise the models because you either have to remove it or cover it up.

The Scions armour does look nice. I just hope they don't get carried away and start doing it on everything. Then it will all start to look the same again, like the chaos range.

Look forward to seeing what you do with all the new shinys, Dave.

I agree, their armour is quite nice. Doesn't have a bazillion skulls all over it as well.

 Theophony wrote:
They've thought it through carefully.

GW exec1 "we will cut the number of troops in the box but add lots of extras to entice HHHobbyists"
GW exec2 "sir, then people will only buy the minimum number of troops"
GW exec1 "don't be silly boy, we will not provide enough of all the good bits so they will buy a second box to have all options. Muhhahahaha!"
GW exec2, scratching his head momentarily. "But....won't some third party come up with similar weapons and parts and get sales like the last 56783 times we did tha..........OW!" Being slapped by exec1
GW exec1 "it won't matter, its all part of my cunning plan, we will release Warhammer 40k version 7.01 in a few months and the models will be obsolete as soon as the rules leak out." Grinds hands and snickers to himself. "Why do you think we have made such ugly kits like the centurions, taurox, and storm chicken.."
GW exec2 "talon sir, talon, no chicke....OW!"
GW exec1 "never interrupt me again! Now where was I. Oh yes, we saved money by not paying anyone over 6 years old to design our models, give them the HHHottest™ rules around, then once they are hooked we change the game and bring in wave 2 of the rules ruining the wave 1 items and releasing the new HHHotness™. It is a winning cycle that these fools will never escape."
GW exec2 "what if they get tired of all the new rules and move on to something not GW?"
GW exec 1 "then we send in the Legal Department!"
GW exec2 "Riiiiiiiiiiiight, I'll see you later sir, seems mantic is hiring any former GW staff that don't have their HHHeads™(by mantic) up their "

Sorry I started and just couldn't stop , probably should have hit delete, but hopefully someone gets a giggle even if its AT poor old Theophony"

Made me think of Blackadder

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
They've thought it through carefully.

GW exec1 "we will cut the number of troops in the box but add lots of extras to entice HHHobbyists"
GW exec2 "sir, then people will only buy the minimum number of troops"
GW exec1 "don't be silly boy, we will not provide enough of all the good bits so they will buy a second box to have all options. Muhhahahaha!"
GW exec2, scratching his head momentarily. "But....won't some third party come up with similar weapons and parts and get sales like the last 56783 times we did tha..........OW!" Being slapped by exec1
GW exec1 "it won't matter, its all part of my cunning plan, we will release Warhammer 40k version 7.01 in a few months and the models will be obsolete as soon as the rules leak out." Grinds hands and snickers to himself. "Why do you think we have made such ugly kits like the centurions, taurox, and storm chicken.."
GW exec2 "talon sir, talon, no chicke....OW!"
GW exec1 "never interrupt me again! Now where was I. Oh yes, we saved money by not paying anyone over 6 years old to design our models, give them the HHHottest™ rules around, then once they are hooked we change the game and bring in wave 2 of the rules ruining the wave 1 items and releasing the new HHHotness™. It is a winning cycle that these fools will never escape."
GW exec2 "what if they get tired of all the new rules and move on to something not GW?"
GW exec 1 "then we send in the Legal Department!"
GW exec2 "Riiiiiiiiiiiight, I'll see you later sir, seems mantic is hiring any former GW staff that don't have their HHHeads™(by mantic) up their "

Sorry I started and just couldn't stop , probably should have hit delete, but hopefully someone gets a giggle even if its AT poor old Theophony"

Made me think of Blackadder

I actually was going to use that quote, but decided to stop where I was. glad people enjoyed it.

 dsteingass wrote:
I like the ornate additions to the armor. 40K should have a bit more Baroque on Guard at times. 30K Imperials seem all fashioned out of an eclectic mix of historical European styles. With Guard being from a million different worlds, and armor being manufactured all over, I think there is definitely room for many styles. WE are the ones brainwashed remember? The Vostroyans had a great Baroque feel to them I think, backed up by that one great short story about the facial hair too. Each Imperial governor can run his world as he sees fit as long as he keeps up his Imperial tithes remember? And they all develop their own styles, traditions and ways of life over the Millennia. STC tech was only really used to colonize worlds, not everything NEEDS to look the same. That's all our minds.

Besides..these are Schola boys..they get the best of the best.

I sooooo second your statement.
Its really what we can think of in our tiny little heads
All these worlds and planets out there, each with their own flavour - Guard really has ALL the possibilities you can think of. Just make a nice little story around it ....well and don't buy third party

Dave, I just thought of what the taurox needs besides zinge tires.....mudflaps , I know you could rock some awesome mudflaps out, and I bet they'd be riveted on as well .

Yeah! Mudflaps would be easy. I'm thinking mine will have some extra bodywork and plenty of extra bitz.

Iike the look more with the zinge tires, but the fenders are still waaaaay too big. Definitely need something there.

I am sure Dave will pimp that ride and make it easier to look upon than the straight up GW factory model.

Any news on that Taurox yet Dave? the troopers?

Nope...troops have been sitting on my desk all week while I was at work. It's my friday night now though....

 dsteingass wrote:
Nope...troops have been sitting on my desk all week while I was at work. It's my friday night now though....

Ah, the work schedule. time for knife and glue!

Firstly, Hi Dave! :-) sorry i've been out of touch lately thanks to being a day walker again :-( *sigh* but I've been trying to stay up to date with your projects! I am really looking forward to seeing you get back into some IG work and models, especially that god awful armoured car thing! and the new scions? storm troopers right? I like the goggled heads and can see you doing something special with the unit for some reason! I dunno they seem a little more Dave-ish than some other models :-)

How nice to see you getting some IG stuff! me like!