40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Galas**

Daedalus81 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

That or Necrons found a better source to make Pariahs out of....

Or maybe they found Demiurg...

I can see them easily adding a few units here and there of found races to the Tau lineup.

We need Demiurg, maybe is a little soon after the Kharadron Overlords, but... they are so cool.

Spoiler:

**perplexiti**

Galas wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

That or Necrons found a better source to make Pariahs out of....

Or maybe they found Demiurg...

I can see them easily adding a few units here and there of found races to the Tau lineup.

We need Demiurg, maybe is a little soon after the Kharadron Overlords, but... they are so cool.

Spoiler:

That would be great! I've always thought they've missed a trick with not fleshing out the different Xenos that are part of the greater good, it'd be nice to be able to take a squad of humans too. Maybe a future upgrade sprue?

**GoatboyBeta**

Just great, resisting the urge to do BSG themed Tau is gonna be tough

**Gamgee**

Sidstyler wrote:
The Fourth Sphere Expansion fleet set off almost immediately once the fires in the Gulf had subsided, but with the Great Rift was still raging through that region of space, all contact with them was soon lost. Were they all killed by some unknown attacker(s)? Did they just lose contact due to interference? Perhaps they entered the Warp – intentionally or not – becoming lost (or worse) in the violent empyrean tides? Maybe they will yet be found, or emerge somewhere unexpected in the galaxy, a lost portion of this optimistic new empire ever intent on conquest…

Chaos Tau confirmed.

I'll collect them lol. Would be neat to see crazed Mon'tau. Also the 4th wave didn't get destroyed, but a huge expeditionary force that size being used by chaos is going to put some hurt on things. Whatever happened to them I'm sure it will be plot significant if it's the first new thing worth learning about them.

**Wayniac**

I love the narrative points, and hope that they become the default for casual games and not matched.

RE: Summoning I think it can't be as bad as in AOS, where summoning is basically worthless unless you have some kind of gimmick. But people are too caught up in "BUT IT'S NOT FAIR YOU GET SOMETHING FOR FREE!" to do anything but whine and cry if they see any perceived advantage of their opponent.

**xttz**

Chaos Daemon preview is up https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/13/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-chaos-daemons/

**Ratius**

Slaanesh is all about speed, baby. They will almost always swing first in combat, even if they did not charge, due to their Quicksilver Swiftness special rule! This means even relatively fragile units such as Daemonettes can be a threat at all times. They’re one of my favourite units – I own nearly 100 of them at present (I might have a problem) – and I can’t wait to get them on the table.

The good news is that these crab-armed warriors are absolutely lethal, especially if taken in units of twenty or more models. In large units like this, the Graceful Killers special rule grants them a bonus attack with their Piercing Claws (which are resolved at AP-4 when you roll a 6+ to wound!) allowing them to slice through armour in melee.

Ye Gods

**Messiah**

Gamgee wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
The Fourth Sphere Expansion fleet set off almost immediately once the fires in the Gulf had subsided, but with the Great Rift was still raging through that region of space, all contact with them was soon lost. Were they all killed by some unknown attacker(s)? Did they just lose contact due to interference? Perhaps they entered the Warp – intentionally or not – becoming lost (or worse) in the violent empyrean tides? Maybe they will yet be found, or emerge somewhere unexpected in the galaxy, a lost portion of this optimistic new empire ever intent on conquest…

Chaos Tau confirmed.

I'll collect them lol. Would be neat to see crazed Mon'tau. Also the 4th wave didn't get destroyed, but a huge expeditionary force that size being used by chaos is going to put some hurt on things. Whatever happened to them I'm sure it will be plot significant if it's the first new thing worth learning about them.

I'd rather guess that they were swallowed and then spit out in several different places, ready to fight in other warzones against other enemies, justifying fluff-wise how they can be on the table against anyone.

**Galef**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

From what I've read, seems 40k is doing it in an identical way - though I suspect the Tervigon will just become a transport.

I'm hoping the Tervigon is a transport similar to the Ghost Ark in that it can hold a unit of Guants, but also add D6 Guants to exising units within 6" up to their starting size.

Ghost Arks adding Warriors to existing units or Spiders adding scarabs was never a game breaking issue. Making new units could be.
I'm really hoping you don't have to pay for Splitting Horrors because they would make the rule worthless (just deploy them normally)

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**Galas**

So this confirms AoS bonnuses to Hordes. Good.

Galef wrote:
I'm really hoping you don't have to pay for Splitting Horrors because they would make the rule worthless (just deploy them normally)
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They have just said that

But I assume that it will work like Age of Sigmar, so if you have a unit of Pink Horrors and other of Blue, whenever a Pink Horror dies, you can add two to the nearby blue horrors unit for free.

**Unusual Suspect**

Save some Reinforcement Points for Blue Horrors and Brimstone Horrors as well, as these still split out of their parent unit like a series of Russian Dolls and are great for grabbing objectives and keeping enemy units busy long after other units would have been destroyed.

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So even if the unit isn't summoned through psychic powers, you still need Reinforcement points.

Good.

**Loopstah**

Yep, sounds like no splitting horrors if you haven't saved some points to pay for them.

That suggests to me that Tervigons will need gaunts pre-paid for in reserve to spawn them.

**Verviedi**

Beautiful. Looks like FNP is still in.

**Don Savik**

Very dissapointed to see 2+ rerollable INVULNERABLE saves. I thought 8th was doing away with this gak. Screamers weren't that awful...

edit: ok, turns out I can't read and I'm as braindead as a grot. My bad guys you can stop replying

**Slayer-Fan123**

So Nurgle basically has FNP? I can live with that.

**Azreal13**

Don Savik wrote:
Very dissapointed to see 2+ rerollable INVULNERABLE saves. I thought 8th was doing away with this gak. Screamers weren't that awful...

He was talking about in 7th?

**gigasnail**

Don Savik wrote:
Very dissapointed to see 2+ rerollable INVULNERABLE saves. I thought 8th was doing away with this gak. Screamers weren't that awful...

If you read this, the author is talking about the state of things in 7th when he mentions the 2++ rerollables.

**Ratius**

Very dissapointed to see 2+ rerollable INVULNERABLE saves

Hmm, where does it confirm that is still around? The opening piece states that is what is happening in 7th no?

**Nevelon**

Don Savik wrote:
Very dissapointed to see 2+ rerollable INVULNERABLE saves. I thought 8th was doing away with this gak. Screamers weren't that awful...

I think that paragraph is referencing the current state in 7th.

**Ratius**

Sobre up Don!

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Well, my question from yesterday was answered... reading between the lines, it seems like 8th Ed 40k Daemonettes are pretty damn close to their AoS counterparts (down to sharing rule names)... though perhaps even better.

Their volume of cheap attacks being super-rending on 6's to wound make me a happy man. Just the image of drowning Knights, etc... in Daemonettes and them having a legit chance to cleave it to bits, should be fun!

**Wayniac**

Unusual Suspect wrote:
Save some Reinforcement Points for Blue Horrors and Brimstone Horrors as well, as these still split out of their parent unit like a series of Russian Dolls and are great for grabbing objectives and keeping enemy units busy long after other units would have been destroyed.
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So even if the unit isn't summoned through psychic powers, you still need Reinforcement points.

Good.

Sigh. Yet more kneejerk reactions because "but it's not fair you get something for free!". This is why I really hope that matched play does NOT become the default mode of play. For a tournament sure, reinforcement points work. For casual games it's obnoxious.

**Ratius**

Their volume of cheap attacks being super-rending on 6's to wound make me a happy man. Just the image of drowning Knights, etc... in Daemonettes and them having a legit chance to cleave it to bits, should be fun!

Heres to hoping Genestealers return to such heady heights......

**Galas**

I'm gonna insist that summoning for free actual units that have a cost for themselves can't be balanced.

You need summoning focus unit that in general spawn "low" tier units, and have the capacity of spamming other units builded into their costs, for example, a Tervigon.

The summoning of Daemons should be deserved to specific daemons made to that end, with specific summoner casters.
Obviously, speaking about Tournament/Matched play.

To narrative play, if you want to summon a Bloodthirster if the battleplan goes around that, then it can be very cool.

**RoninXiC**

people are truely not capable of change.

MAYBE (!) Demons will get some kind of compensation like point reduction or ANYTHING ELSE?

Noooo! The sky is falling.

**lord_blackfang**

That would normally be a very dangerous proposition for a unit of little guys, but the children of Nurgle are Disgustingly Resilient – which means they ignore wounds on a roll of 5 or 6!

This is FNP under a different name. Makes it pretty obvious that the same damn rule will appear over and over under different names.

**Unusual Suspect**

Wayniac wrote:
Unusual Suspect wrote:
Save some Reinforcement Points for Blue Horrors and Brimstone Horrors as well, as these still split out of their parent unit like a series of Russian Dolls and are great for grabbing objectives and keeping enemy units busy long after other units would have been destroyed.
\

So even if the unit isn't summoned through psychic powers, you still need Reinforcement points.

Good.

Sigh. Yet more kneejerk reactions because "but it's not fair you get something for free!". This is why I really hope that matched play does NOT become the default mode of play. For a tournament sure, reinforcement points work. For casual games it's obnoxious.

Well, yeah - if we're talking POINTS, we're talking about fairness concerns.

But for casual games (where there are no points, but only bring-whatever-you-want-and-count-its-power and play-this-historic-battle-using-your-models, and so you won't need Reinforcement points) where fairness isn't a huge concern, players aren't going to have to worry about the obnoxiousness, if any, of Reinforcement points.

So... what are you complaining about, again?

**alextroy**

Here's a wild thought:

What if Power Level includes "cost" for the unit's ability to summon while Points don't and instead are calculated based on the need for Reinforcement Points?

Nah. GW can't be that smart about their rules.

**Vaktathi**

Unusual Suspect wrote:
Save some Reinforcement Points for Blue Horrors and Brimstone Horrors as well, as these still split out of their parent unit like a series of Russian Dolls and are great for grabbing objectives and keeping enemy units busy long after other units would have been destroyed.
\

So even if the unit isn't summoned through psychic powers, you still need Reinforcement points.

Good.

Pretty thrilled about this in general, I was never a fan of free stuff, and I'm glad they learned their lesson from 7E on that. That got really tiring to face and deal with.

**Kirasu**

In a game balanced by points, it's always been really absurd to get units for 0 points. Tervigons should pay for the upgrade to spit out gaunts based on average # on 3d6 and same goes for Pink Horrors. Then you wouldn't be getting a large advantage for doing nothing.