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So I frequent dakka. I decided to go Tau (before reading the rules, as opposed to jumping on).
A lot of people hate Tau (which i find kind of ironic considering their mantra) anyway we're not here to discuss that.

Reading a thread about a Necron list with loads of flyers and just thinking, "and people hate Tau."

I think that people need to seriously reconsider, and actually like Tau.
Reason
Compared to a list with a bastion hiding a single dude in the corner and 8 flyers i think 3 riptides or whatever is a walk in the park.
Not only that but we have some of the only means to prevent this atrocity of a list from being as common any more.

Think about it:
1. the warlord cant hide, we have units that can fire without line of sight (SMS)
2. we have units that can move fast enough and are able jump into that little space where he's hiding, (riptide generator with 4d6" jump)
3. we have lots of skyfire

I think Tau should at least get some love for preventing the bakery of doom.

Boniface wrote:

I think that people need to seriously reconsider, and actually like Tau

Stop your communist ways!

I think you miss the problem. The point is that now people that play against Necrons also have to worry about Tau as well. As you said, Tau have plenty of options to take down warlords, including cheap Precision shot broadsides and markerlights to ignore cover saves. Their firepower really changes a lot of how the games were played and it makes it hard for players to adjust.

But it's also not really preventing Necrons from doing any of the things Necrons do. They still get plenty of cheap flyers that don't suffer drawbacks from being flying transports. They still have plenty of good units that are actually a decent match for Tau with their TAC lists. So there is no reason for Necron players to stop playing what they already bring.

I wouldn't say communist. I would say more Buddhist.

Boniface wrote:
I wouldn't say communist. I would say more Buddhist.

I beg to differ

Buddah never offered enlightenment at the end of a pulse rifle.

This is silly, the Tau are utilitarian with a bit of confucianism and Indian caste system thrown in.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Buddah never offered enlightenment at the end of a pulse rifle.

But if he had, I bet that Buddhism would have become much more widespread back in his day.

 Troike wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Buddah never offered enlightenment at the end of a pulse rifle.

But if he had, I bet that Buddhism would have become much more widespread back in his day.

Well, you had to respect him for staying true to his principles of pacifism.

Yeah your probably right.

Although i'd rather work toward the greater good of all than be a zealous brain washed puppet of a xenophobic dictator.

I think I understand why everyone hate Tau now though.
It probably stems from the stupidly irrational hatred of communism that all democracies have.

I did often wonder why there was such an irrational hatred for Tau.

Anyway this thread kinda went awry very quickly. I was trying to encourage some Tau love.

I think people still have enough reasons to dislike Tau. The biggest, in my opinion, is that any decent Tau list can absolutely destroy t\he majority of assault and foot lists.Obviously this isn't 100 percent true, I mean Khorne Dog lists, and other well crafted assault lists can still do damage, but a lot of lists and armies basically move their units two turns and die to a gunline of Tau that just roll dice. I think that the new Tau codex kind of embodies the shootiness of 6th edition and the people that dislike that fact hate Tau for doing it so well.
My personal reason for disliking, not hating, Tau is because I play older codex armies and they haven't gotten their stupid Monstrous creatrue bs. I'm not a fan of Riptides, Wraithknights, Helldrakes etc, but thats just my opinion, and not all Tau lists even use Riptide. I do like Tau for making the game competitive and having awesome models, .

Boniface wrote:
Yeah your probably right.

Although i'd rather work toward the greater good of all than be a zealous brain washed puppet of a xenophobic dictator.

I think I understand why everyone hate Tau now though.
It probably stems from the stupidly irrational hatred of communism that all democracies have.

I did often wonder why there was such an irrational hatred for Tau.

Anyway this thread kinda went awry very quickly. I was trying to encourage some Tau love.

As someone whose father was born in and absolutely enamored with the Soviet Union I like to think I'm familiar with Communism. What the Tau follow fits into no major branch of Communism or indeed even Socialism. Rather the greater good from what can be gleaned is best described as Utilitarianism through a somewhat Confucianist lens.

 Kain wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Buddah never offered enlightenment at the end of a pulse rifle.

But if he had, I bet that Buddhism would have become much more widespread back in his day.

Well, you had to respect him for staying true to his principles of pacifism.

I suppose I do. I just found the idea of Buddha coercing people into joining him with a future gun damn hilarious.

Boniface wrote:
irrational hatred of communism

Paradoxon detected.

 Troike wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Buddah never offered enlightenment at the end of a pulse rifle.

But if he had, I bet that Buddhism would have become much more widespread back in his day.

Well, you had to respect him for staying true to his principles of pacifism.

I suppose I do. I just found the idea of Buddha coercing people into joining him with a future gun damn hilarious.

"This will bring you to nirivana and your foes down a peg in the cycle of reincarnation."
"How can you be su-"
PEW-SPLORTCH-SIZZLE
"Now he has been reincarnated into a steaming corpse, any other questions?"

Boniface wrote:
So I frequent dakka. I decided to go Tau (before reading the rules, as opposed to jumping on).
A lot of people hate Tau (which i find kind of ironic considering their mantra) anyway we're not here to discuss that.

Reading a thread about a Necron list with loads of flyers and just thinking, "and people hate Tau."

I think that people need to seriously reconsider, and actually like Tau.
Reason
Compared to a list with a bastion hiding a single dude in the corner and 8 flyers i think 3 riptides or whatever is a walk in the park.
Not only that but we have some of the only means to prevent this atrocity of a list from being as common any more.

Think about it:
1. the warlord cant hide, we have units that can fire without line of sight (SMS)
2. we have units that can move fast enough and are able jump into that little space where he's hiding, (riptide generator with 4d6" jump)
3. we have lots of skyfire

I think Tau should at least get some love for preventing the bakery of doom.

Ah but the problem you have here is, the thread you are referring to was recently necro'd from about 6 months ago before 6th edition got fully into the swing of things. Necron Bakery, was a flash in the pan, skys falling kind of thing, until most codex's got Skyfire/Interceptor, either through their own updates and/or Allies. So now until the answer to Tau comes out, you get the hate. And this is the way of the world

...and just saying: Necrons are the only 6th codex so far, iirc, with no Skyfire. Seeing the cost of Heavy Destroyers, they should totally have Skyfire and Interceptor.

 Sigvatr wrote:
...and just saying: Necrons are the only 6th codex so far, iirc, with no Skyfire.

Except, of course, all their flyers which come with skyfire.

Ehh, didn't you just list the reasons why there's all the Tau hate, next to charging them being deadly for yourself?

 pretre wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
...and just saying: Necrons are the only 6th codex so far, iirc, with no Skyfire.

Except, of course, all their flyers which come with skyfire.

You know what I mean, 'sis.

Boniface wrote:
So I frequent dakka. I decided to go Tau (before reading the rules, as opposed to jumping on).
A lot of people hate Tau (which i find kind of ironic considering their mantra) anyway we're not here to discuss that.

I like the Tau in the new book. They FINALLY play like the high tech shooty specialzied army they've always been described as, but never really were. Tau is pretty much the only type of army in the game I've never made one of. If prices weren't so stupid these days I might consider it, but no new armies for me anymore.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:

Boniface wrote:
So I frequent dakka. I decided to go Tau (before reading the rules, as opposed to jumping on).
A lot of people hate Tau (which i find kind of ironic considering their mantra) anyway we're not here to discuss that.

I like the Tau in the new book. They FINALLY play like the high tech shooty specialzied army they've always been described as, but never really were. Tau is pretty much the only type of army in the game I've never made one of. If prices weren't so stupid these days I might consider it, but no new armies for me anymore.

Skriker

Thing is, their only weakness (CC) has been countered. Thus, they are invincible killing machines.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Skriker wrote:

Boniface wrote:
So I frequent dakka. I decided to go Tau (before reading the rules, as opposed to jumping on).
A lot of people hate Tau (which i find kind of ironic considering their mantra) anyway we're not here to discuss that.

I like the Tau in the new book. They FINALLY play like the high tech shooty specialzied army they've always been described as, but never really were. Tau is pretty much the only type of army in the game I've never made one of. If prices weren't so stupid these days I might consider it, but no new armies for me anymore.

Skriker

Thing is, their only weakness (CC) has been countered. Thus, they are invincible killing machines.

Yeah, like I say to everyone who says Tau suck in close-combat, I argue that they are now one of the best armies in the close-combat phase.

Boniface wrote:
Anyway this thread kinda went awry very quickly. I was trying to encourage some Tau love.

By pointing out that it is effective by one of the most stupid and cheesiest lists ever that no-one ever plays?
That isn't going to work

I play an IG Mech list.

feth Longstrike in his little blue butthole.

I have yet to see a single codex that people have not complained about.

 Ozomoto wrote:
I have yet to see a single codex that people have not complained about.

People complained about the New Tyriands dex, but not because it had anything close to OP up until 6th came out.

 Ozomoto wrote:
I have yet to see a single codex that people have not complained about.

No one cried cheese on 'Nids lol

But, every codex changes the game, as it should. If the "best army list" only changed with editions, this game would suck.

But, I resent the lack of Crons nowadays. It just so happens that Tyranids murder crons, so I want that back in the meta.

 Sigvatr wrote:
...and just saying: Necrons are the only 6th codex so far, iirc, with no Skyfire. Seeing the cost of Heavy Destroyers, they should totally have Skyfire and Interceptor.

This is patently wrong, considering the fact that they can field a viable competitive army consisting of nothing but Zooming fliers which, by definition, have Skyfire.

People hate playing tau for the same reason they hate playing against most IG players.

Because sitting through a 30 minute turn 1 shooting phase does not a fun game make.

and I say that as an IG player