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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 22:29:57
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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http://seattletimes.com/html/politics/2021605450_apusjessejacksonjrsentencing.html
WASHINGTON —
Former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison Wednesday for illegally spending $750,000 in campaign funds on personal items, the judge scolding the son of the famed civil rights leader for using the money as a "piggy bank" and sentencing his wife to a year as well.
However, Jackson, who emotionally apologized to his father, mother, congressional colleagues and others, was given significantly less prison time than federal guidelines recommend, recognized by the judge as a "complex person" who has done both good and bad.
Sandra Jackson, a former Chicago alderman, was sentenced for filing false joint federal income tax returns.
After prison, the former congressman is to spend three years on supervised release and complete 500 hours of community service. If he earns credit for good behavior in prison, he could end up serving closer to two years. He agreed to repay the $750,000 when he pleaded guilty earlier this year.
According to court documents, the Jacksons had spent campaign money on TV's, restaurant dinners, an expensive watch and other costly personal items.
Jackson, 48, had been a Democratic congressman from Illinois from 1995 until he resigned last November. In an emotional speech to the judge, he choked up and used tissues to blow his nose. He apologized and said he wanted to "take responsibility for my actions."
"I misled the American people. I misled the House of Representatives. I misled the Federal Election Commission," he said. "I was wrong."
"I also want to apologize to my dad and to my mother," Jackson added, stopping to compose himself.
The elder Jackson, who sat in the front row during the proceedings, told a crush of reporters outside the courthouse later: "This has been an extraordinarily difficult time for our family."
In court, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson recognized Jackson Jr.'s public service on issues such as public education and clean water. "That's what makes this situation so tragic," she said.
But the judge said that if she gave him no jail time it would send a message that there are two systems: one for the well-connected and one for everyone else.
"I cannot do it. I will not do it," she said, adding that as a public official, Jackson was expected to "live up to a higher standard of ethics and integrity." She also said that Jackson's actions could not be excused because of mental illness. He has been treated for bipolar disorder.
Federal sentencing guidelines called for a prison term of 46 to 57 months - or just under four years to just under five years. The government had recommended four years, while Jackson's lawyers had asked that his sentenced be limited to 18 months.
Jackson's lawyer, Reid H. Weingarten, said the case lacked the typical victim found in most criminal cases.
"There are not widows and orphans surrounding the courtroom wanting his head," Weingarten said.
But prosecutor Matt Graves said the crime was serious: "These were extreme abuses," he said.
Sandra Jackson will be permitted to serve her sentence after her husband completes his. The couple, who have two children, 13 and 9, asked to serve at separate times.
"I stand before you today asking for mercy," Sandra Jackson said. "My heart breaks every day with the pain that it's caused my babies."
Her lawyer, Dan Webb, tried to persuade the judge to spare his client jail time, arguing that it would be an "unbearable burden" on the children. But the judge old Mrs. Jackson, "It is not the court that put your children in this position."
Having their mother gone will be difficult for the children, the judge said, but "it is survivable." She said, "Today you have to be held out as an example."
Sandra Jackson also was ordered to serve 200 hours of community service and pay restitution of $22,000 - the amount of money she took from her alderman's campaign account for personal use.
The Jacksons, who pleaded guilty in February, entered the courtroom holding hands.
The judge said Jackson's reporting date for prison would be on or after Nov. 1.
As he got into his SUV to leave, Jackson said, `'I still believe in the power of forgiveness. I believe in the power of redemption. Today I manned up and tried to accept responsibility for the errors of my ways- and I still believe in the resurrection."
The former congressman's father sat in the front row during the proceedings, surveying the courtroom and writing notes on a piece of paper while waiting for the hearing to start. During a break just before the sentences were announced, he walked over to the defense table and sat down next to his son, who slouched in his chair. Weingarten soon joined them, and the younger Jackson was able to manage a laugh at something one of the other men said.
After the sentencing, the senior Jackson walked over to the prosecution table and shook hands with the prosecutors.
Weingarten told reporters that his camp was satisfied with the court's rulings "but nobody's celebrating today, obviously." He said Jackson had suffered a "fall from grace. ... It's a huge day of sadness."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 22:54:47
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Now they can say "Illinois, where your Governers AND Congressmen, make your license plates!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 22:55:25
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Psh. He got off lightly, and he'll get out early.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 23:05:52
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
If he was a Republican, it'd be used to hammer the party itself.
He'll be out within the year...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 23:15:22
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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How many politicians that have violated campaign financing laws are actually in prison though?
I wonder how much of his problem was truly due to mental illness, I've got to deal with a few truly bi-polar people and it is a tragic illness.
Of course if it is a true problem with mental illness I would not be surprised if he gets better treatment for his disease than most mentally ill people in prison.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 23:17:46
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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d-usa wrote:How many politicians that have violated campaign financing laws are actually in prison though?
In Illinois... not enough.
I wonder how much of his problem was truly due to mental illness, I've got to deal with a few truly bi-polar people and it is a tragic illness.
Of course if it is a true problem with mental illness I would not be surprised if he gets better treatment for his disease than most mentally ill people in prison.
You may be on to something here... I know someone who's bi-polar and it is tragic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/14 23:47:39
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
I think that has less to do with media bias and more to do with the fact he's not a current elected official.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:05:11
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Wait a damn minute? Why the hell is is wife being let off to take care of her kids? I never heard of that being done before.
Flipping rich people, getting off easy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:07:30
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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A year in jail isn't being let off. She'll be seeing iron bars in her near future as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:17:57
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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I think staggered sentences like that really are not that unusual.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:24:58
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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djones520 wrote:A year in jail isn't being let off. She'll be seeing iron bars in her near future as well.
If it's anything like where Louisiana politicians go to "prison", it'll probably be a cushy little plantation where they're allowed to go to the movies every Saturday.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:26:35
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Still, if this happened to someone else, she would be thrown in RIGHT now and her kids would be shippe to foster care or their grandparents.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:33:27
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Non-violent, non-sexual offender that is well known in the community with a very low flight risk?
She fits the profile of the kind of offender that is often given similar sentences and allowed to serve them after the other care provider finishes his sentence.
It really is not that unusual or that much of a "stupid rich people" kind of deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 00:42:16
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Ouze wrote: whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
I think that has less to do with media bias and more to do with the fact he's not a current elected official.
Riiiight.
Remember Tom Delay(R)? Media couldn't stop talking about how the Republican brand is corrupt.
These Illinois politicians? Well... it's all local.
Frankly, if you look at this list... the political class are ALL corrupt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes Automatically Appended Next Post: d-usa wrote:Non-violent, non-sexual offender that is well known in the community with a very low flight risk?
She fits the profile of the kind of offender that is often given similar sentences and allowed to serve them after the other care provider finishes his sentence.
It really is not that unusual or that much of a "stupid rich people" kind of deal.
Yup... 'specially if there are kids involved.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 01:23:01
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Actually, I've never really heard of staggered sentences to allow for childcare of the way this happened myself, but I'm not an expert either.
So, what's going on with asset forfeiture? I assume their house has been seized and sold at auction, right, just like what would happen with someone who sold $5 worth of crack out of their Ford Fiesta?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 02:06:07
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
If he was a Republican, it'd be used to hammer the party itself.
He'll be out within the year...
So you're saying that you're not used to reading articles wherein the entire content is just polarized and politicized nonsense? Is the point that you are trying to make that you are upset at the fact that the article reported on a former congressman who is going to jail in disgrace, as opposed to "dems are bad and repubs are not"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 02:11:30
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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azazel the cat wrote:whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
If he was a Republican, it'd be used to hammer the party itself.
He'll be out within the year...
So you're saying that you're not used to reading articles wherein the entire content is just polarized and politicized nonsense? Is the point that you are trying to make that you are upset at the fact that the article reported on a former congressman who is going to jail in disgrace, as opposed to "dems are bad and repubs are not"?
Nice try to put words in my mouth... did you miss the part where I claim there's corruption on both sides?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 02:17:31
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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whembly wrote: azazel the cat wrote:whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
If he was a Republican, it'd be used to hammer the party itself.
He'll be out within the year...
So you're saying that you're not used to reading articles wherein the entire content is just polarized and politicized nonsense? Is the point that you are trying to make that you are upset at the fact that the article reported on a former congressman who is going to jail in disgrace, as opposed to "dems are bad and repubs are not"?
Nice try to put words in my mouth... did you miss the part where I claim there's corruption on both sides?
To be fair, there is usually a pattern.
Whembly: Democrats are bad!
Everybody else: look at all those bad Republicans.
Whembly: well, everybody is bad.
Repeat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 02:25:39
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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d-usa wrote: whembly wrote: azazel the cat wrote:whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
If he was a Republican, it'd be used to hammer the party itself.
He'll be out within the year...
So you're saying that you're not used to reading articles wherein the entire content is just polarized and politicized nonsense? Is the point that you are trying to make that you are upset at the fact that the article reported on a former congressman who is going to jail in disgrace, as opposed to "dems are bad and repubs are not"?
Nice try to put words in my mouth... did you miss the part where I claim there's corruption on both sides?
To be fair, there is usually a pattern.
Whembly: Democrats are bad!
Everybody else: look at all those bad Republicans.
Whembly: well, everybody is bad.
Repeat 
Whatever... keep wearing your YOLO shades bro...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 02:28:42
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Youre just hatin on my liberal #SWAG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 11:15:00
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Agreed. Illinois, allowing Louisiana grafters to say "hey at least we're not as bad as Illinois" for 100 years. Automatically Appended Next Post: hotsauceman1 wrote:Wait a damn minute? Why the hell is is wife being let off to take care of her kids? I never heard of that being done before.
Flipping rich people, getting off easy.
Its enough to make you a "put em all against the wall when the revolution comes" Commie.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 11:17:52
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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They're always sorry when they get caught. Then they just go right back to doing what they were before...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 13:18:20
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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whembly wrote: d-usa wrote:How many politicians that have violated campaign financing laws are actually in prison though?
In Illinois... not enough.
I wonder how much of his problem was truly due to mental illness, I've got to deal with a few truly bi-polar people and it is a tragic illness.
Of course if it is a true problem with mental illness I would not be surprised if he gets better treatment for his disease than most mentally ill people in prison.
You may be on to something here... I know someone who's bi-polar and it is tragic.
Same here. It's actually a part of the disease to overspend money. My mom and my recently deceased grandfather suffer(ed) from it, and both would go on spending sprees with money they didn't have, where other family members had to bring back the goods for refund. It's hard, it's sad, and it isn't easy on anybody connected. Hopefully he gets the care he needs, and the whole family can survive th ordeal. Of course, as per my example, I'm biased towards people suffering from this mental disease.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 15:38:26
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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At least he goes to that cushy min security prison (well... cushy for prison).
Hope they have adequate services to help him with his bipolarism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/15 16:34:34
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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A congressman spending someone elses money, possibly due to bi-polarism?
Maybe we should get all of Congress checked out.
Yeah, bad joke, I know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/16 02:55:09
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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whembly wrote: azazel the cat wrote:whembly wrote:Notice how "Democrat" is annotated once in that article?
If he was a Republican, it'd be used to hammer the party itself.
He'll be out within the year...
So you're saying that you're not used to reading articles wherein the entire content is just polarized and politicized nonsense? Is the point that you are trying to make that you are upset at the fact that the article reported on a former congressman who is going to jail in disgrace, as opposed to "dems are bad and repubs are not"?
Nice try to put words in my mouth... did you miss the part where I claim there's corruption on both sides?
I highly recommend brushing up on the difference between "putting words in your mouth" and "quoting you".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/16 03:12:22
Subject: Re:Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/16 03:19:05
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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Had to Google "YOLO" (I'm old, thank God) and found this gem:
I'm fairly certain YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people.
I'm surprised JJJr. Got time. I'm sure the bipolar swing was between the time he was buying jewelry,fur coats, and cigars (way to fight that stereotype) and when he got caught.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/16 03:25:14
Subject: Prison for Jesse Jackson Jr.
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SlaveToDorkness wrote: I'm sure the bipolar swing was between the time he was buying jewelry,fur coats, and cigars (way to fight that stereotype)
What stereotype, stuff rich people buy?
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