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I play space wolves up the wazoo
And I'm really excited for the update
what do we think is gonna be in the update, and how is it gonna work?

sir idk what this has too do with army lists.

i think this should go in general since this isnt an army list

oops didnt mean to post here!
Sorry

I posted this in another thread...

I actually hold high hopes for the new Wolves book (whenever it may come), here's why.

I expect Grey Hunters to retain BP/Bolter/CCW, because they've always had some variety of a way of to have extra attacks (the old Grim Resolve Rule, I believe it was called back in the day), but I expect them to buck the trend and actually go up in cost. I don't know if they will get an actual price increase, or just lose the free special (or both), but I would guess they end up paying an extra 1-2 points per model. The thing is, they would still be worth it at that price; they're just that much better than normal TACS. Right now the problem with Grey Hunters is that the rest of the codex falls apart around them (obviously not counting Rune Priests). But I expect the following additional changes to help support GHs in the 6ed environment.

1) Cheaper Rune Priests. Runic Weapon is obviously getting nerfed, but Rune Priests will drop to 6ED Librarian/Sorcerer prices. If they retain Divination Access, they will be fantastic, and remain a must take.

2) Cheaper Predators and Whirldwinds. Right now Wolves don't have a codex internal HS option. Overpriced Preds and Fragile Long Fangs. Their vehicle costs should drop in line with the rest of the Marine books.

3) Cheaper Wolf Lords. Wolf Lords are already killy as hell, on par with Chaos Lords, but much more expensive. They're going to drop in price. And unlike the other books, the Wolves don't suffer for HQ slots (assuming they retain leaders of the pack). If Chaos Space Marines could take 4HQ, they would be a much stronger book. If Wolf Lords and Rune Priests both drop in price (which they should, judging by the other books); Space Wolves will be able to do a lot of good out of their HQ slot. I've been having fun running two Thunderlords attached to 15 Fenrisian Wolves; that unit is ALMOST worth it at its current cost. If it becomes cheaper, who knows. I also expect Fenrisian Wolves to either get a price drop or a stats boost (compare them to Flesh Hounds or Seekers; which are both similar units, but much better).

4) Cheaper Blood Claws. I expect Blood Claws to drop to 12 points per dude (right inbetween a regular TAC Marine and a Black Templar Neophyte). That would make them an incredible unit.

5) Codex internal AA (maybe Hunter/Stalker, maybe something new). That will help; although I don't think anti air is as important as it was a few months ago.

6) Some stupid giant Wolf MC. It's going to happen, we all know it will. haha. But even it doesn't, changes 1-5 are enough for a powerful 6ED Army.

Cheap Marine bodies (blood claws), Good Marine bodies (Grey Hunters), point efficient HS, and a stacked and versatile HQ selection. That's more than enough to compete. Losing Runic Weapon and Jaws will hurt, but the gains in being able to run a balanced list will offset it IMO.

My prediction;

More wolves.

The last codex was definitely deficient in the number of wolf related items. What I expect to happen would be the inclusion of Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf cavalry, wielding a wolf claw in one hand, and a wolf sword in the other, wearing his wolf cloak and belt of the wolfen, while commanding his legion of cyber wolves, with a monstrous cyber wolf as support.

Wolf.

I'm not a SW player, but there are some things that you can pretty much expect that points costs will be brought inline with DA and Vanilla marine.

Anything more: is getting more specific then I can provide.

I think we might be getting the Wulfen back. It's a cool unit that alot of people love. Also we will prob get our own flier sicne we do not have a single one and we can't even use the standard SM ones.

Obviously prices will go down for one thing, and some of the goofier SW things will get nerfed (Runic Weapons, I'm looking at you). Based on the DA and C:SM updates, we can also expect 2-3 new kits and maybe 2-3 more repackaged kits (considering that SW were updated in 5th though, I wouldn't count on those). SW lack AA/flyers, so we can probably expect a dual flyer kit (I don't expect an AA tank like C:SM, rather we'll probably just get an AA flyer and a bomber/transport, and then rely on flakk missiles on Long Fangs or another unit). I would also expect 1-2 specialist units - DA got Black Knights and Deathwing Knights, C:SM got Assault/Devastator Centurions. For the SW's new specialist unit(s), I'd bet on either a Wolf-based walker/MC and/or Wulfen squads. Wulfen seems especially likely to me because there are rumours of a 13th Company Supplement, and Wulfen are pretty essential to that army (either that or the supplement allows them to take additional Mark of the Wulfen as an upgrade).

Anyway, those are my thoughts, probably mostly common sense in all.

Wolfen might feature, as all the 6th codexes so far have focused on something that really captures the 'feel' of the army (giant battlesuit for tau, demon-machines for chaos ect) and turns it up to 11, so a whole unit with MOTW would be cool, maybe death company sort of thing (troops, not scoring, hits like a hammer). I actually think SW would be kind of cool as an army without a flyer, makes them unique, and shouldn't be a problem if we get decent internal AA. Other than that, points changed relative to SM (GH up, BC down, vehicles ect same as C:SM).

I've played space wolves since their 5th ed codex was released and I really want to see more unit entries such as unique vehicles + dreadnoughts, centurians, stalker/hunters, and a wolf demon flying monstrous creature.

I expect more heresy. That's about it. The wolves already use magic, ride xenos and are prone to mutation. Currently they are the diet CSM codex.

There won't be any fliers unless matt ward gets the book, there will be a new unit, elite slot, very fast and killy. No price drops on grey hunters though, those guys are hanging where they at, unless it's decided that SW need to pay for special weapons.

Some new AA units and more expensive hunters seems like a good bet.

 Blacksails wrote:
My prediction;

More wolves.

The last codex was definitely deficient in the number of wolf related items. What I expect to happen would be the inclusion of Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf cavalry, wielding a wolf claw in one hand, and a wolf sword in the other, wearing his wolf cloak and belt of the wolfen, while commanding his legion of cyber wolves, with a monstrous cyber wolf as support.

Wolf.

A wolf... Inside of a wolf.

I see the space wolves getting their own table to roll on for physic powers followed by access to 1-2 other tables. The will probably get their own flyer or get a Stormraven/talon rolled into their list. GW will be lazy and roll the Hunter/stalker into the list as well. Point drops across the board. Grey hunters will probably be 15ppm as opposed to the other 14ppm marines. Blood claws may go to 12-13ppm. but Space wolves need more FURRIES. (hopefully they roll Wulfen into the new codex)

They will get their super 'dreadnaught/walker etc.'

Maybe the grey hunter will be fairly priced. Which means an increase.

Fenric wrote:
I think we might be getting the Wulfen back. It's a cool unit that alot of people love. Also we will prob get our own flier sicne we do not have a single one and we can't even use the standard SM ones.

I highly doubt that they will get a flier, at best they will get a giant FMC wolf with angel wings that can assault fliers.

Their current fluff contradicts the use of any fliers (bar thunderhawks) and GW so far has followed this by not giving them any of the current imperium fliers with the DftS update when they easily could have gave them at least one.

Don't get me wrong I'm certain that they will get some sort of reliable AA but it wont be in the form of a flying smart car.

 A GumyBear wrote:

Fenric wrote:
I think we might be getting the Wulfen back. It's a cool unit that alot of people love. Also we will prob get our own flier sicne we do not have a single one and we can't even use the standard SM ones.

I highly doubt that they will get a flier, at best they will get a giant FMC wolf with angel wings that can assault fliers.

Their current fluff contradicts the use of any fliers (bar thunderhawks) and GW so far has followed this by not giving them any of the current imperium fliers with the DftS update when they easily could have gave them at least one.

Don't get me wrong I'm certain that they will get some sort of reliable AA but it wont be in the form of a flying smart car.

I believe there was a thread on this and the consensus was that wolves were fine with fliers, just not personal flight like wings and jetpacks.

 Kain wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:

Fenric wrote:
I think we might be getting the Wulfen back. It's a cool unit that alot of people love. Also we will prob get our own flier sicne we do not have a single one and we can't even use the standard SM ones.

I highly doubt that they will get a flier, at best they will get a giant FMC wolf with angel wings that can assault fliers.

Their current fluff contradicts the use of any fliers (bar thunderhawks) and GW so far has followed this by not giving them any of the current imperium fliers with the DftS update when they easily could have gave them at least one.

Don't get me wrong I'm certain that they will get some sort of reliable AA but it wont be in the form of a flying smart car.

I believe there was a thread on this and the consensus was that wolves were fine with fliers, just not personal flight like wings and jetpacks.

Then what are skyclaws? Lol

 A GumyBear wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 A GumyBear wrote:

Fenric wrote:
I think we might be getting the Wulfen back. It's a cool unit that alot of people love. Also we will prob get our own flier sicne we do not have a single one and we can't even use the standard SM ones.

I highly doubt that they will get a flier, at best they will get a giant FMC wolf with angel wings that can assault fliers.

Their current fluff contradicts the use of any fliers (bar thunderhawks) and GW so far has followed this by not giving them any of the current imperium fliers with the DftS update when they easily could have gave them at least one.

Don't get me wrong I'm certain that they will get some sort of reliable AA but it wont be in the form of a flying smart car.

I believe there was a thread on this and the consensus was that wolves were fine with fliers, just not personal flight like wings and jetpacks.

Then what are skyclaws? Lol

Disapproved of.

Now what about all those Thunderhawks the Wolves definitely have?

Space Wolves were an army I really liked when I started 40K, but the more I see them, the less aesthetically pleasing they become. I've only got one good friend who plays them, and I'm glad.
The new book will probably just drop prices, have a new big goofy unit (maybe a special drop pod or special Dreadnought).

Frighteningly enough, I haven't seen a space wolf player in a while. However I'd love to see the Lone Wolf removed from the codex. Simply because..well it seems to throw a wrench into the gears of all my plans.

Martel732 wrote:
Maybe the grey hunter will be fairly priced. Which means an increase.

Paying for special weapons and changing Wolf Banners would certainly help, even if they don't give them a 1pt cost increase.

A dedicated psychic table with primaris and 3 powers will be coming I reckon.

hopefully no MC, space wolves are meant to fight MC not become them.

A flyer like the FW stormeagle would be good, a transport meant to get them to the fight, not an actual fighter.

GH will hopefully stay around the same cost, with all the AP being put in the new codex's this seems fair.

The inclusion of BS 4 Leman Russ tanks in HS would be good , maybe Exterminators that can skyfire.

 ivangterrace wrote:
I've played space wolves since their 5th ed codex was released and I really want to see more unit entries such as . . . a wolf demon flying monstrous creature.

Wolf Demon Flying Monstrous Creature?!?

Will it come with the Power Fist Demolisher Searchlight Stormshield?


I'd expect it to be similar to how C:SM and CSM played out. Price adjustments, a little new stuff, etc.

And we all know that JoTWW is either history or about to get nerf-hammered right in it's -grill.

 60mm wrote:

 ivangterrace wrote:
I've played space wolves since their 5th ed codex was released and I really want to see more unit entries such as . . . a wolf demon flying monstrous creature.

Wolf Demon Flying Monstrous Creature?!?

Will it come with the Power Fist Demolisher Searchlight Stormshield?


I'd expect it to be similar to how C:SM and CSM played out. Price adjustments, a little new stuff, etc.

And we all know that JoTWW is either history or about to get nerf-hammered right in it's -grill.

they will probably make it the 6 on their table and have it take 2 warp charges, probably not change it much though (check the new eldar powers for precedence)

what Space Wolves update? isn't it a bit presumptuous to think it's their turn?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
what Space Wolves update? isn't it a bit presumptuous to think it's their turn?

It's not their turn, Nids then Guard, it looks like. But we can still discuss the Wolves book, rumors have it by middle of next year.

No Orks?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
No Orks?

Think Orks are after Guard, then SW. (IIRC)