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Simple poll as that what you like more chaos dredonaght or hellbrute. This topic is focused about aesthetics of both.

Personally I can;t stand how hell brute looks like and it is supposed to replace dred... no just no.
them ten pack abs on a mech grrr!

Dread all the way.

What's the difference?

 Wilytank wrote:
What's the difference?

Just look.
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It's important to note that Dreads in 6th edition are more a waste of points or a liability then anything else. :(

I love dreadnaughts, and I used to field 1-2 in every list. These days, slow movement, the absurdity of only three hull points and the wide dispersal of Grenades in so many squads, a Dread just isn't worth it.

For the above poll- Chaos Dread all the way. I don't quite understand why the Chaos Space Marine Codex had only the Hellbrute. It should have had both options.

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
What's the difference?

Just look.

Spoiler:

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Looking at the Wargear options for the Hellbrute, both models are legal for the Hellbrute. So tell me more clearly, what's the difference?

Aside from a name and OPTIONAL DV model, there is no difference. And besides, the Helbrute is actually a joy to paint, for me at least. Excellent for teaching painting techniques for many different things like armour, flesh, bone, stone and metals, and it takes to washes like nobodies buisness.

I prefer the Hellbrute model more than the old metal Dreadnought.

The old one honestly looked really weird with its spindly legs and sectioned torso... I mean, it was an ok model, but it hardly inspired people to collect chaos space marines. It was really showing its age with its old-school style tubes and claw.

The Hellbrute looks genuinely imposing on the battlefield. It looks bigger than the older chaos dread and honestly scarier... Especially with the tiny head of the occupant on display. It may have it's faults, but they don't bother me as much as they bother other people.

The space marine dreadnought is better than both if you want a normal dread though. Not everyone is a fan of the "retro" or "tentacle-spikes everywhere" look.

Edit: I thought we were talking about the original Chaos Dread? Why are people including Forge World?

Obviously the Chaos Dread is going to be better if we're just comparing the Forge World ones to the Hellbrute. It really isn't fair if you do though, because the Hellbrute didn't replace those and they have many variants for the various different legions.

Also, how many Dreadnoughts do you know can dual wield Thunder Hammers?

 Wilytank wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
What's the difference?

Just look.

Spoiler:

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Looking at the Wargear options for the Hellbrute, both models are legal for the Hellbrute. So tell me more clearly, what's the difference?

Not in warger but in it's look. I just can't stand the terrible look of hellbrute.

Uncovered face, flesh growing on armour, disgusting fleshy feet dumb pose uhhhhh, and fact that almost every single of them looks exactly the same, well at least the majority of them.
Also fact that GW sell them only in DV just crack me up.

I dislike the name and the general dred rules. The concept is much better than just being a copy of the loyalist dred. The model itself is one of the better ones from the CSM release, largely because it fits well with the chaos theme imo. I don't think the fiends or drake do, at least not as they are. It sucks that it's mono-pose.

a fat guy wrote:
I prefer the Hellbrute model more than the old metal Dreadnought.

Obviously the Chaos Dread is going to be better if we're just comparing the Forge World ones to the Hellbrute. It really isn't fair if you do though, because the Hellbrute didn't replace those and they have many variants for the various different legions.

Just dreds in general. I took the picture of Forge world dred as it is only current manufacturer of them I could pull of some old eddition CSM dred.


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 Yonan wrote:
I dislike the name and the general dred rules. The concept is much better than just being a copy of the loyalist dred. The model itself is one of the better ones from the CSM release, largely because it fits well with the chaos theme imo. I don't think the fiends or drake do, at least not as they are. It sucks that it's mono-pose.

In my personal opinion CSM should be exact copy of SM with few minor alterations to them

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
What's the difference?

Just look.

Spoiler:

vs

Looking at the Wargear options for the Hellbrute, both models are legal for the Hellbrute. So tell me more clearly, what's the difference?

Not in warger but in it's look. I just can't stand the terrible look of hellbrute.

Uncovered face, flesh growing on armour, disgusting fleshy feet dumb pose uhhhhh, and fact that almost every single of them looks exactly the same, well at least the majority of them.
Also fact that GW sell them only in DV just crack me up.

Then you should have specified looks. Not just say "which is better?" In what way? Looks? Rules?

 Wilytank wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
What's the difference?

Just look.

Spoiler:

vs

Looking at the Wargear options for the Hellbrute, both models are legal for the Hellbrute. So tell me more clearly, what's the difference?

Not in warger but in it's look. I just can't stand the terrible look of hellbrute.

Uncovered face, flesh growing on armour, disgusting fleshy feet dumb pose uhhhhh, and fact that almost every single of them looks exactly the same, well at least the majority of them.
Also fact that GW sell them only in DV just crack me up.

Then you should have specified looks. Not just say "which is better?" In what way? Looks? Rules?

Isn't it obvious if they have identical stats?

 Whiskered wrote:
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 Yonan wrote:
I dislike the name and the general dred rules. The concept is much better than just being a copy of the loyalist dred. The model itself is one of the better ones from the CSM release, largely because it fits well with the chaos theme imo. I don't think the fiends or drake do, at least not as they are. It sucks that it's mono-pose.

In my personal opinion CSM should be exact copy of SM with few minor alterations to them

If that's what you want, you can just run SMs with a little greenstuff so you're covered right? There would be no need for a new dex if that was all chaos was.

 Whiskered wrote:
Isn't it obvious if they have identical stats?

But not identical rules due to crazed and different weapon loadouts, and definitely not identical synergies with the rest of the codex... since the rest of their dexes are different.

That's what i am doing.

The 6E Helbrute looks effing terrible. I don't know what the hell they were doing giving it those stumpy animal feet. I mean seriously? Giant toe-nails? Come on.

 Whiskered wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
What's the difference?

Just look.
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If going for aesthetics I say the Hell Brute all the way. It looks like it's Chaos while the Dreadnaught just looks like it's a Space Marine wanna be. I know I am new to CSM, but it doesn't really scream CSM to me at all. Just a pimped up loyalist dread dressed up for Halloween.

Dread.

I deny the existence of the Hellbrute. For me they are just a type of dread, with a silly name. I always refer to them as Dreadnoughts.

i just do not care for the overly exaggerated mutations of some of the chaos designs ... a little bit here and there is ok ... but do not care for the full on ones like the hellbrute...

Dread, I'm not really into the cyborg-daemon look of the helbrute.

Hellbrute. Cyborg demons is what chaos is all about!

In terms of just the name...it's a Chaos Dreadnought, Helbrute was a stupid, pointless renaming.


In terms of models...I like both, they each have their place. I see models like the FW Dreads in general more as the CSM aspect of them using Chaos to further their own goals of vengeance, while the Helbrute model represents that which has actually fully embraced chaos and the Long War becomes a way to worship the dark gods instead.

The Dark Vengeance Helbrute for me will always be tainted by being a Daemonic engine without the Daemon rules.

The rules are still written as if the "spikey loyalist dred" concept was being used rather than a mass of the fusion of machine and daemonflesh.

Personally, I think the hellbrute seems far more in keeping with the chaos corrupted space marines idea then the chaos dreadnought. Its a pity they didn't create (or did they, I don't have any of the chaos books) variances for each chaos god to allow for different weapon/abilities. At the same time, not all those that go over to chaos are supposed to be that corrupted, so I see a place for the regular chaos dreadnought as well. I just prefer the model and idea behind the hellbrute. Too bad they apparently (reading these posts) made them the same thing.

Personally I like the design of the Helbrute over the Dred. To me the model has to look like it has the ability to move for me to like it. It's the main reason why so many people have problems with the Stormraven, Stormtalon, and DA flyers. I think it's something that people notice subconsciously that function shoul override form.
The comparison pictures for example show this fairly well.

The Helbrute is able to lift up it's left arm dynamically while leaning forward and aiming with it's gun arm, showing a decent range of motion in it's limbs along with the ability to balance or brace itself.
The old fashioned Dred looks like it has to hobble around on the two stubby legs to face it's opponent with a weapon that appears to only rotate up and down and doesn't look like it could lean any direction without toppling over because the limited range of motion of the legs and hips.

Now that I think about it, it's one of the reasons people hate the new Centurion models. In every shot they look like they are awkwardly standing and balance, with legs too stubby to even brace or move correctly. It's the subtle things that make the difference for me, and the Helbrute looks like it was more of a fluke than an actual effort to make a good model.

The helbrute looks more like a monstrous creature than a walker, perhaps the sculptor was misinformed or a unit type change never made it into the codex. Consequently it looks too cinematic to be a vehicle and this raises some problems. Is he stuck permanently shooting at that angle? Does that mean his rear armour is 45 degrees easier to being shot at. Does he must be virtually surrounded by a unit in order to shoot both arms?

My favorite model is the nurgle dreadnought of nurle


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Nurgle stupid auto

 Kaptain Skullstompa wrote:
My favorite model is the nurgle dreadnought of nurle

The Nurgle Dreadnought of Nurgle? Gee, I wonder which Chaos god that one belongs to

I prefer the Forgeworld Chaos Dreadnoughts to the Dark Vengeance Helbrute, but I like it too. The aesthetics are just very different, and I prefer the cleaner, simpler design of the Forgeworld dreads to the really busy design of the Helbrute.

If the hellbrute was a MC it would see alot more use. Alas...