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I know that Dark Angels that followed Luther during the HH are called the Fallen but what of Dark Angels that turned to Chaos afterwards? Are they considered Fallen too or are they just Chaos Space Marines?

NO MEMBER OF THE DARK ANGELS CHAPTER (FORMALLY LEGION) HAS EVER FALLEN TO CHOAS!!!

and none of them ever will again.


In seriousness now. i don't think many, if any, DA have fallen since the original. In truth the DA have one of the best geneseeds of the founding chapters they just don't have as many successors. If there are any I would consider them fallen since they came from the DA but thats just me.

There is no such thing as the Fallen, Whoever said otherwise was telling lies and trying to slander the Dark Angels.

I said what you want. Will you please put the bolt pistol down?

fallen? what is this fallen? no dark angels ever turned traitor! BLASPHEMOUS WRETCH, I SHALL UNLESS THE TERROR THAT IS THE HYMNS OF SILENCE UPON THEE!


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START COWERING!!

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I know that Dark Angels that followed Luther during the HH are called the Fallen but what of Dark Angels that turned to Chaos afterwards? Are they considered Fallen too or are they just Chaos Space Marines?

Nobody knows much about the DA falling to Chaos if not simply that GW doesn't want to make it clear whether the Dark Angels that won the civil war were those corrupted by Chaos, or the fallen really are CSM's.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I know that Dark Angels that followed Luther during the HH are called the Fallen but what of Dark Angels that turned to Chaos afterwards? Are they considered Fallen too or are they just Chaos Space Marines?

Nobody knows much about the DA falling to Chaos if not simply that GW doesn't want to make it clear whether the Dark Angels that won the civil war were those corrupted by Chaos, or the fallen really are CSM's.

Thought so. The reason I ask is because I wanted to model some dead chaos Dark Angels on the base of my Valks. My reasoning for their existence is that the Grey Knights are notable for not having anyone fall to Chaos (Allegedly). So, if that is the case, then Dark Angels must have had some members fall. I am sure they don't last very long though.

fluff wise, there was a schism in the Dark angel ranks during the end of the Horus Heresy, we are not even 90% sure the dark angels we love today are not chaos. but the term "the Fallen" is used to refer to the few traitors that survived the destruction of Caliban. Sense then no DA has fallen to chaos, whether because they are all chaos (and only the inner circle knows) or they are pure warrior monks as full proof as the Grey Knights due to their past no one is certain. but they DO hunt the fallen with a passion, and WILL leave an area they deem not as threatening as a Fallen (which to them means leaving everything to hunt the guy. cept maybe a siege on terra itself or the Rock)

 raiden wrote:
we are not even 90% sure the dark angels we love today are not chaos.

Despite every piece of background material and every codex saying they are not, and not even one single source saying they are?

That's an odd world you live in where zero examples can account for 90% uncertainty.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I know that Dark Angels that followed Luther during the HH are called the Fallen but what of Dark Angels that turned to Chaos afterwards? Are they considered Fallen too or are they just Chaos Space Marines?

Nobody knows much about the DA falling to Chaos if not simply that GW doesn't want to make it clear whether the Dark Angels that won the civil war were those corrupted by Chaos, or the fallen really are CSM's.

Thought so. The reason I ask is because I wanted to model some dead chaos Dark Angels on the base of my Valks. My reasoning for their existence is that the Grey Knights are notable for not having anyone fall to Chaos (Allegedly). So, if that is the case, then Dark Angels must have had some members fall. I am sure they don't last very long though.

They had half their chapter Legion fall (which half is unknown). The Codex Chapter is either all chaos (I don't see it), or their recruits are watched so closely that they would have been taken out back and shot long before turning, It is likely none have fallen since.

kingleir wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I know that Dark Angels that followed Luther during the HH are called the Fallen but what of Dark Angels that turned to Chaos afterwards? Are they considered Fallen too or are they just Chaos Space Marines?

Nobody knows much about the DA falling to Chaos if not simply that GW doesn't want to make it clear whether the Dark Angels that won the civil war were those corrupted by Chaos, or the fallen really are CSM's.

Thought so. The reason I ask is because I wanted to model some dead chaos Dark Angels on the base of my Valks. My reasoning for their existence is that the Grey Knights are notable for not having anyone fall to Chaos (Allegedly). So, if that is the case, then Dark Angels must have had some members fall. I am sure they don't last very long though.

They had half their chapter Legion fall (which half is unknown). The Codex Chapter is either all chaos (I don't see it), or their recruits are watched so closely that they would have been taken out back and shot long before turning, It is likely none have fallen since.

Yeah, I get that they are hard core in terms of warding against chaos I just wonder if that blurb in the Grey Knights codex is accurate since "Not falling to chaos" doesn't seem to be all that special if the Dark Angels do it too without all those wards and stuff.

They did. that's why its true. And there are several areas where you can cast speculation on the DA loyalty during and after the HH. (Even there primarch has some remarks about him that cast doubt), I don't believe it tbh. But the argument IS there. Whether or not its about as good as Tsons and aplha legion being secretly good doesnt matter. There is question. And questions must eventually be answered.


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The rank and file DA wouldn't know the truth though.

Being so secretive, the DA marines would have to fall during a battle including the grey knights. Every marine would have to fall and die, otherwise the rock would show up and kill everything in the system.

The hunt for the Fallen is designed to lead to the ultimate goal of no-one outside the Inner Circle knowing that the schism to the legion occurred. I would say that any renegade who knows about the schism would be termed "Fallen", while DA marines that turn to chaos without knowledge of the schism would just be nomal chaos/renegade marines.

Given the oversight that happens at Inner Circle level I would be surprised if there wre many/any turncoats with this knowledge after the Heresy. The Chaplains would probably see the signs and terminate any possible offenders before it happens. However I don't see the normal rank and file DA being any more immune to turning to Chaos than any other chapter.

I imagine that any renegades from the Dark Angels would be pursued and destroyed as soon as posiible, but they wouldn't encessarily be termed "Fallen".

If I recall correctly, they just straight kill anyone they THINK is about to look at them in a slightly chaotic manner, paying special attention to psykers (which makes sense). No sudden movements.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I know that Dark Angels that followed Luther during the HH are called the Fallen but what of Dark Angels that turned to Chaos afterwards? Are they considered Fallen too or are they just Chaos Space Marines?

Nobody knows much about the DA falling to Chaos if not simply that GW doesn't want to make it clear whether the Dark Angels that won the civil war were those corrupted by Chaos, or the fallen really are CSM's.

This is not quite true t'would seem.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/pandorax.html

Funny enough this question has been clearly answered in Black Library's newest novel "Pandorax". I urge you to read it as it is quite a good exciting novel.

The current DA as know today is NOT Chaos