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St. Louis, Missouri

Looks like Detroit is still on top! Looks like St. Louis dropped to third!

http://lawstreetmedia.com/blogs/crime/10-dangerous-large/

1. DETROIT, MICH.

Detroit holds its place atop our list of the Most Dangerous Large Cities, and is second only to Flint, Mich. in the overall rankings, as it continues to suffer from a long term decline in population and employment. Detroit’s $18 billion bankruptcy filing in July was the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history. Although the city’s unemployment rate has dropped from its peak of 18.2 percent in July 2009, it remains well above the national level. In the 1950s, Detroit was the fifth-largest city in the United States with nearly 2 million residents, but now fewer than half as many people call it home. The city has an estimated 78,000 abandoned homes spread across 140 square miles — a vast expanse that contributes to Detroit’s infamous 58-minute police response time. The city ended the year with a total of 386 murders and 15,009 violent crimes in 2012.

Violent Crime Rate: 2122.91 per 100,000 people
Population: 707,096
Murder Rate: 54.59 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:275
Median Household Income: $27,862
Unemployment Rate: 10.5 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #1

2. OAKLAND, CALIF.

Historically, crime has been a problem for Oakland, but in 2012 the number of reported violent crimes reached a decade high point. Despite its high crime rate, the city’s officer-population-ratio reveals that Oakland has relatively fewer sworn officers than many of the major cities on this list. Recently, the city re-implemented a gang violence reduction plan that had been effective in the past for Oakland, as well as for other California cities. The plan known as Operation Ceasefire emphasizes a problem-oriented policing approach to crime hot spots. The focus is on gun trafficking and gang violence. Operation Ceasefire marks a big change for the Oakland police department, which hopes that prioritizing the most urgent emergency calls will significantly reduce local crime.

Violent Crime Rate: 1993.31 per 100,000 people
Population: 399,487
Murder Rate: 31.79 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:638
Median Household Income: $51,144
Unemployment Rate: 8.1 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #3

3. ST. LOUIS, MO.

Although St. Louis moved down in the rankings from its number two spot last year, it has consistently been ranked as one of the most dangerous cities over the past seven years. St. Louis recently encountered significant budgeting pressures due to its expanding public pension costs. As a result, the city’s police department was forced to cut back on the number of its patrolling officers. St. Louis is also set to lose a federal grant at the end of this year that covered the cost of 20 officers, causing Police Chief Sam Dotson to fight hard for budget increases. Dotson also emphasizes “hot-spot” policing, which involves increasing patrols in dangerous areas during times when crimes are most likely to occur. Criminologist Richard Rosenfeld argues that the reason St. Louis is ranked so high is, in part, a matter of geography. If suburban crime statistics were included, the crime rate would be diluted.

Violent Crime Rate: 1,776.46 per 100,000 people
Population: 318,667
Murder Rate: 35.46 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:241
Median Household Income: $34,402
Unemployment Rate: 7.6 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #2

4. MEMPHIS, TENN.

For the second year in a row, Memphis holds its position as the fourth most dangerous large city in America, and was ranked sixth overall in 2012. In addition to Memphis’ rank, Tennessee claimed the number one spot in the ranking of the most dangerous states in terms of violent crime per 100,000 people.

According to a Gallup poll last year, only 55 percent of the Memphis population responded that they feel safe in the city, the lowest percentage among the 50 largest metropolitan statistical areas. With an unemployment rate of 11.1 percent and a major proportion of the city living under the poverty line, Memphis is ranked number one as the nation’s poorest city by its collected census data. The city ran a $26.5 million budget deficit, and projections indicate that this figure could rise to as high as $36.5 million if the current tax rate remains the same. With all the economic disadvantages Memphis is facing it is no surprise that it remains high in the rankings of most dangerous large cities.

Violent Crime Rate: 1,750. 28 per 100,000 people
Population: 657,436
Murder Rate: 20.23 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:272
Median Household Income: $37,072
Unemployment Rate: 9.0 Percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #4

5. STOCKTON, CALIF.

Stockton, like Detroit, is another city that recently filed for bankruptcy after running up a debt of $900 million to the California Retirement System Fund. Because the city’s main focus has been on getting its debt paid off, Stockton has been unable to devote more resources to curtailing its high level of violent crime. Pension promises are on the verge of collapse, leading to dramatic budget cuts that have gutted essential public services such as the fire and police departments. Although Stockton’s unemployment rate has decreased slightly over the past two years, it remains very high at 15.2 percent. With 71 murders in 2012 and a median household income of $45,606, the city ranks number five on this list.

Violent Crime Rate: 1547.95 per 100,000 people
Population: 299,195
Murder Rate: 23.74 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:904
Median Household Income: $47,365
Unemployment Rate: 15.2 Percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #8

6. BIRMINGHAM, ALA.

Birmingham moved down one spot in 2012 to sixth place on our list of most dangerous large cities. Although Birmingham has a relatively low unemployment rate, the median household income is under $32,000, well below the national average of $52,762. Nearly 25 percent of Birmingham’s residents live below the poverty line, almost 10 percentage points below the national average of 14.3. Although Birmingham moved down in the rankings, its violent crime rate per 100,000 residents experienced a slight increase, from 1483 in 2011 to 1,517 in 2012. The city also experienced a notable increase in murders, going from 54 in 2011 to 67 in 2012. The high murder rate in Birmingham has prompted academics to take a closer look at the city and the many social factors that contribute to crime.

Population: 213,266
Murder Rate: 31.42 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:247
Median Household Income: $31,898
Unemployment Rate: 6.4 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #5

7. BALTIMORE, MD.

Baltimore maintains its status as the seventh most dangerous large city in America for the second year in a row. Although Baltimore is near the bottom of the list in terms of violent crime per capita, it ranks third in murders per 100,000 residents among all large cities. Although the violent crime rate in Baltimore actually dropped between 2011 and 2012, murders in the city increased notably. Murder is not Baltimore’s only problem; a recent ABC News article called it the “heroin capital of the United States.” Baltimore has more sworn officers than most cities, ranking second highest among all large cities, and the highest among cities on this list. even with one officer for every 211 residents, the city’s large police presence has done little to prevent violent crime and murder. Recent numbers indicate that murders in the city remain high in 2013, as Baltimore just witnessed its 200th murder this year.

Violent Crime Rate: 1405.71 per 100,000 people
Population: 625,474
Murder Rate: 34.85 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:211
Median Household Income: $40,100
Unemployment Rate: 7.2 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #7

8. CLEVELAND, OHIO

For 2012, Cleveland moved from the ninth to eighth most dangerous large city. Cleveland experienced a significant increase in murders, rising from 74 in 2011 to 84 in 2012. Crime in Cleveland has also garnered significant media attention as several high-profile cases have recently emerged. Cleveland has been in the national spotlight for three major headline grabbing crimes in recent years, all of which were accounts of violent crime. Four years ago, police found 11 decomposed bodies inside a home in East Cleveland, another man was sentenced to 1,000 years in prison for kidnapping and murder this summer, and recently Cleveland prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for a man who allegedly kidnapped and killed three women. No one has been able to explain the prevalence of high profile crimes in Cleveland as the city’s crime statistics are similar to many others on this list, yet cases like these continue to surface.

Many point to the high level of poverty and unemployment in the city as the primary contributors to the city’s crime level. Cleveland has a very low median household income of $27,470, and according to the Census Bureau more than 32 percent of its population lives below the poverty line.

Violent Crime Rate: 1,383.76 per 100,000 people
Population: 393,781
Murder Rate: 21.33 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:266
Median Household Income: $27,470
Unemployment Rate: 7.1 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #9

9. ATLANTA, GA.

With crime levels in Atlanta remaining relatively constant when comparing the 2011 and 2012 reports, the city dropped three spots to ninth on our list. Atlanta had 6,027 violent crimes in 2012, almost 60 percent of which were aggravated assaults. Overall, the city experienced a slight reduction in its violent crime rate, which fell from 1,432 to 1,379 per 100,000 people. The downward trend continued with its 2012 murder rate, which reached its lowest level in the last 50 years. However, Atlanta has been in the news recently after the Justice Department questioned the city’s use of over $400,000 of federal grant money intended for reducing neighborhood crime. City officials also faced scrutiny regarding claims that many neighborhoods have experienced decreases in crime, with the watchdog journalists at Politifact concluding that such claims are false.

Violent Crime Rate: 1379.05 per 100,000 people
Population: 437,041
Murder Rate: 18.99 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:246
Median Household Income: $45,946
Unemployment Rate: 8.8 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #6

10) MILWAUKEE, WIS.

Milwaukee jumped 13 places this year to replace Buffalo N.Y. as the 10th most dangerous large city in 2012. Ranked 23rd in 2011, Milwaukee has experienced a dramatic increase in crime: the city’s violent crime rate has gone up by 22.8 percent from 2011. However, these changes are largely due to the Milwaukee Police Department’s crime reporting issues that were revealed in 2011 by The Milwaukee Sentinel. According to the newspaper, the police department misreported to the FBI more than 500 violent crime incidents as minor assaults. The newspaper also reported that the downward trend in violent crime that the Milwaukee police department had boasted over the past five years may actually be a result of misreporting. In other words, what looks like a dramatic increase in the amount of violent crimes in 2012 may actually reflect police efforts to correct its reporting system.

Violent Crime Rate: 1294.47 per 100,000 people
Population: 599,395
Murder Rate: 15.18 per 100,000 people
Officer to Population Ratio: 1:314
Median Household Income: 43,397
Unemployment Rate: 7.4 percent
Dangerous City Over 200,000 Rank in 2011: #23

Edit - posted correct list

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You posted last years list, I think.

Here is this year's list:
1 – Detroit, MI
Violent crime rate: 2,123 per 100,000 residents.

2 – Oakland, CA
Violent crime rate: 1,993 per 100,000 residents.

3 – St. Louis, MO
Violent crime rate: 1,777 per 100,000.

4 – Memphis, TN
Violent crime rate: 1,750 per 100,000 residents.

5 – Stockton, CA
Violent crime rate: 1,548 per 100,000 residents.

6 – Birmingham, AL
Violent crime rate: 1,518 per 100,000 residents.

7 – Baltimore, MD
Violent crime rate: 1,405 per 100,000 residents.

8 – Cleveland, OH
Violent crime rate: 1,384 per 100,000 residents.

9 – Atlanta, GA
Violent crime rate: 1,379 per 100,000 residents.

10 – Milwaukee, WI
Violent crime rate: 1,295 per 100,000.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45edmkd/detroit-5/


Cleveland got higher on the list

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Cincinnati, Ohio

Must be all those heinous crimes being committed on the field at FirstEnergy Stadium....

 
   
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Lakewood, Ohio

cincydooley wrote:Must be all those heinous crimes being committed on the field at FirstEnergy Stadium....

No, because unlike some countries, the FBI doesn't deem rape to be a violent crime, so those atrocities aren't counted in these statistics

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 SilverMK2 wrote:
If only you guys had a bunch of gun to protect yourselves... then no one would commit crime!






Kinda surprised Chicago didn't make the list.

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The Great State of New Jersey

What!?? You mean Camden, NJ (and to a much lesser extent Paterson and Newark) doesn't rate anymore? When the hell did that happen?

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St. Louis, Missouri

Oh man, helps if I check the link! Thanks for pointing that out, Alf.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
What!?? You mean Camden, NJ (and to a much lesser extent Paterson and Newark) doesn't rate anymore? When the hell did that happen?



I believe that perhaps they may not rate as being large enough as the OP article states Large Cities... They make mention of places like Flint, MI which has higher rate of crime than Detroit, however due to its size is not considered a large city.
   
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Lakewood, Ohio

The list was done based on the FBI's crime stats when surveying cities with populations of 200,000 or more.

Chicago wasn't on the list because the FBI doesn't consider rape a violent crime when determining these things. It should also be noted that the 'violent crime' is simply those being reported, so a city with a very meticulous police force could have a slightly inflated rate simply because more people report the violent crimes.


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 mega_bassist wrote:
Oh man, helps if I check the link! Thanks for pointing that out, Alf.

The only reason why I noticed it was because I was going to post last years list so we could see where cities from last year landed this year.

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Leerstetten, Germany

A list of "you suck guys!" and no cities from Oklahoma is included?

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 Ouze wrote:

Kinda surprised Chicago didn't make the list.


Chicago isn't dangerous unless you're a gangbanger wearing your colours in the hood. In which case, yes, it's dangerous. I know we're getting a lot of press because of our little gang war, but the gangs really do a good job of keeping it to themselves and it's really not a dangerous place to be.

   
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 Alfndrate wrote:
The list was done based on the FBI's crime stats when surveying cities with populations of 200,000 or more.

That explains why Gary, IN wasn't on the list

 
   
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SoCal

Why the hell don't the FBI consider rape to be a violent crime?


   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Why the hell don't the FBI consider rape to be a violent crime?




Because while often times it may be a violent act, it isnt necessarily violent in nature... many times rufies and other "date rape" drugs or alcohol are involved that render the victim incapable of resisting,etc.
   
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SoCal

First of all, I would consider the act of penetration without consent violence, even if the victim is unconscious. Second, what about the rapes that are unquestionably violent?

Or do those get included because the charges usually include assault, kidnapping or some other violent felony?

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
First of all, I would consider the act of penetration without consent violence, even if the victim is unconscious. Second, what about the rapes that are unquestionably violent?

Or do those get included because the charges usually include assault, kidnapping or some other violent felony?



Not Law Enforcement, but I would suspect that events that get multiple charges can be categorized in every one they meet requirements for (ie, a rape qualifies for sexual harrassment, sexual assault and rape, but sexual assault doesn't necessarily get categorized with the rape cases)
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
First of all, I would consider the act of penetration without consent violence, even if the victim is unconscious. Second, what about the rapes that are unquestionably violent?

Or do those get included because the charges usually include assault, kidnapping or some other violent felony?



Not Law Enforcement, but I would suspect that events that get multiple charges can be categorized in every one they meet requirements for (ie, a rape qualifies for sexual harrassment, sexual assault and rape, but sexual assault doesn't necessarily get categorized with the rape cases)

I'm not a lawyer/prosecutor, but from my understanding and from the experience I'm garnering in the field of education for law enforcement you see the "highest" charge being filed for a specific category, with the insinuation of inclusive lesser charges. This depends on the strength of the case though as if you go after someone for murder but can only prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty of manslaughter, double jeopardy can prevent you from refiling charges later when you have enough evidence.

So someone might be charged with kidnapping and rape and murder with the implication of inclusive lesser charges because of the strength of a case, or you might see the same person being charged with kidnapping and rape and manslaughter if the murder could not be 100% tied to the accused.


   
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Norwalk, Connecticut

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
What!?? You mean Camden, NJ (and to a much lesser extent Paterson and Newark) doesn't rate anymore? When the hell did that happen?



I believe that perhaps they may not rate as being large enough as the OP article states Large Cities... They make mention of places like Flint, MI which has higher rate of crime than Detroit, however due to its size is not considered a large city.


I missed the "large" part as well-I was going to ask how Bridgeport, CT wasn't on the list. When I was moving for work, it had been mentioned, and my boss informed me it was the most dangerous city in the US for a time. It's not large though, so it would miss this survey. Still...I wouldn't wanna flip a coin for my death every night I went home from work.

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Oh wait...
New/different Birmingham...

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 Redbeard wrote:
 Ouze wrote:

Kinda surprised Chicago didn't make the list.


Chicago isn't dangerous unless you're a gangbanger wearing your colours in the hood. In which case, yes, it's dangerous. I know we're getting a lot of press because of our little gang war, but the gangs really do a good job of keeping it to themselves and it's really not a dangerous place to be.


I think this is the point people miss. I live in Baltimore county, in the burbs of Baltimore. I go into the city all the time, and my church activities takes me into some of the high crime areas, but I have never had a problem. Most of these crimes are black on black crimes, and white people read these things and think they can't go into the city unless they are packin heat.

Not to say that you don't have to be careful and watchful, but the actual impact of these crimes on most people is way over rated.

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 generalgrog wrote:
 Redbeard wrote:
 Ouze wrote:

Kinda surprised Chicago didn't make the list.


Chicago isn't dangerous unless you're a gangbanger wearing your colours in the hood. In which case, yes, it's dangerous. I know we're getting a lot of press because of our little gang war, but the gangs really do a good job of keeping it to themselves and it's really not a dangerous place to be.


I think this is the point people miss. I live in Baltimore county, in the burbs of Baltimore. I go into the city all the time, and my church activities takes me into some of the high crime areas, but I have never had a problem. Most of these crimes are black on black crimes, and white people read these things and think they can't go into the city unless they are packin heat.

Not to say that you don't have to be careful and watchful, but the actual impact of these crimes on most people is way over rated.

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Birmingham? I could have told you that...
Oh wait...
New/different Birmingham...

I bet they don't have the accent either.
Not as good as Nottingham though...Nottingham has an area referred to as 'Stab City'

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 PredaKhaine wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
Birmingham? I could have told you that...
Oh wait...
New/different Birmingham...

I bet they don't have the accent either.
Not as good as Nottingham though...Nottingham has an area referred to as 'Stab City'


It's also called "Shottingham" for the relatively high levels of shootings they enjoy...

   
 
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