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**SagesStone**

Though it seems most went in about 2 general directions so maybe you wouldn't need to walk too far.

**The Dreadnote**

Importing the entire loaded map would defeat the point though. The current server will generate new chunks in line with 1.8 features...they'll just be far away from the established places.

So, if we don't start a new world, then those wanting 1.8 environments will just have to move far enough away. Then we'd basically end up with two "countries", a 1.8 land and all the existing terrain with 1.7 features.

**Grundz**

Well, I could get the exact coords we want to grab of all the major landmarks, giving a good size area to make a nice starting area in the middle and begin the framework of a good nether transport system.

However I cant help but think that if we only take a few things it discounts how much work that people put into things that arent really big and impressive.

**RaptorsTalon**

Thats why I suggested the 2500 blocks thing.

**Grundz**

I think its more reasonable to give the start area a 50 or so block radius to be built, and then just offset the map, so "northeast" of the start area for example would be the old world, the other 3 directions would be new stuff.

rather than make people run 2500 blocks to get somewhere

**The Dreadnote**

It's not really a new problem. If someone started griefing the server or creepers attacked or whatever, we'd just rebuild stuff. I see a potential restart the same way.

But then I suppose not having any grand structure of my own doesn't let me see things the same way as some of the rest of you; I mainly just dig tunnels and help out with other people's stuff, so a reset wouldn't trouble me.

**RaptorsTalon**

Grundz wrote:I think its more reasonable to give the start area a 50 or so block radius to be built, and then just offset the map, so "northeast" of the start area for example would be the old world, the other 3 directions would be new stuff.

rather than make people run 2500 blocks to get somewhere

I see what you mean, but the old world is very big, I know some people have gone out around 20,000 blocks. This is why I suggested replacing the center of the old map, 5000 blocks would probably be better.
Off setting it is also a good idea.
Prehaps both?

We will have to wait and see what dark says.

**Anvildude**

I wouldn't mind importing the Mesa, but I'd be able to re-start with any large block of upthrust stone, really.

I'm okay with rebuilding, and honestly don't expect most of my stuff to stick around.

I once started a full-scale Great Pyramid on a map I knew to be Temporary.

**Grundz**

well, all i know is...

if we /DO/ have to redo the server, can I make it a requirement that we use a really cool seed for some excessive terrain?

http://www.minecraftseeds.info/

just try some of them out, they are pretty wild.

**The Dreadnote**

Okay, here's an article everyone should probably read: http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/199-pax-18-game-features/

Some things that were touched on at PAX, regarding 1.8:

Cobwebs, Mineshafts & More

Notch said that randomly generated, abandoned mine shafts would occur in world generation, many of them with the new cobweb blocks scattered throughout. It was said that exploration would yield rewards in locations like the mine shafts, as well as a new type of dungeon, so keep an eye out for that! Furthermore, some of the NPC villages were shown at the demonstration, and while they were currently vacant, the architecture was remarkable for a world-generated town. Very exciting!

Endermen

We were shown a detailed look at the elusive Endermen, where it could be seen how they reacted to the player's presence. If a player looks in their general direction (or otherwise refrains from direct interaction), they remain peaceful. However, looking directly at them (with the cross-hairs on them) causes them to become agitated, teleporting to and attacking the player! It was also said that they could randomly pick up and deposit blocks on a whim, and that they would spawn quite rarely upon release of 1.8.

New Lighting

In addition to the day/night cycle being adjustable, light is generated very differently now. The day/night transition will be very smooth, doing away with the "block by block, row by row" light level changes we have now. Also, objects like torches, light stone etc. will generate their own type (and color) of light, making it much easier to distinguish between them, as well as giving players the ability to light an area how they like! Finally, a new Brightness slider was added, allowing players to set the overall lighting of their game to their personal tastes!

Experience, Hunger

The new Hunger bar will take the place of how food heals players currently. The more filled it is, the faster the player will regenerate health. If it dips too low, health will actually start being lost! Notch showed a new "eating" animation to go with the new system, as well as demonstrating the various types of meat being added (such as beef, and apparently zombie meat).

Experience will be gained by defeating monsters and collecting the "Experience Orbs" they drop, which will later be used to purchase goodies for the player. It was not specified what could be bought at this time, but they assured us that it would be worthwhile.

Rivers, Oceans

Rivers and oceans will now be generated in the world, along with existing biomes. The rivers are quite large, and can either span a length of land with a connection to an ocean, or form a "circular" river, that feeds into itself. It was also said that rivers will not flow at this time, but it was being considered.

Expanded Combat

Bows can now be "charged" longer, for higher damage output. Additionally, it will be possible to get critical hits, either from attacking while coming down from a jump, or semi-randomly from a charged bow shot! New impact animations were shown for monsters as well, including having arrows lodged in the monster being shot. Also, it will be possible to sprint for extended periods, and monsters hit while sprinting will go flying. Quite useful for spiders and creepers!

New (and Expanded) Biomes

Biomes will be much larger than before, with more clearly marked borders between them. We saw the transition from a "plains" type biome into a desert, and the difference was much more noticeable. The desert that was shown was massive, enveloping an area that, currently, would hold anywhere from 2-3 biomes at once! There was some talk of a Mountain biome as well, but we weren't able to see one at this time. Keep an eye out for this!

1.8 will add Creative Mode

Since the Adventure mode will be replacing Survival, Mojang has also re-implemented Creative mode! In this mode, players will take no damage, be able to fly, control day/night directly, can spawn infinite items of any type, and can break blocks with one hit!

1.8 is expected to be released sometime in the next few weeks. Keep an eye out for its release, as well as more update information right here!

**RaptorsTalon**

Very Interesting...

No mention of needing to create a new world for it to work...

Maybe it will only be new chunks which are needed.

**MrDwhitey**

I approve of zombie meat.

I wish the creepers could sprint too.

**RaptorsTalon**

Grundz wrote:well, all i know is...

if we /DO/ have to redo the server, can I make it a requirement that we use a really cool seed for some excessive terrain?

http://www.minecraftseeds.info/

just try some of them out, they are pretty wild.

Yes Please!
If we have to import the old server into the new one, massive terrain would be good.
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Acctualy, these might not work because biome size is changing and rivers are being added so the seed won't spawn the same world

**The Dreadnote**

Also this video shows some 1.8 gameplay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcNgWEhlAxg

Also of note: this update will be split into two parts, with the first releasing in a few weeks, and the second (as 1.9) releasing sometime after.

And I'm fairly sure nobody's ever said you'd need a new world for 1.8, it'll just apply to new chunks like every other update.

**RaptorsTalon**

Hmmm

My observations:
Endermen don't look too bad now
I like the addition of creative mode
The villages look cool
Zombie Meat could be useful
The new eating animation is good
Don't like the idea of not instant healing

**Anvildude**

Actually kinda wish Notch hadn't released any info on the Endermen. Can you imagine what it would otherwise have been like, to be playing your SSP, go exploring, an see this shadowy shape in the distance, just moving around?

"That's not a zombie, and it's too dark to be a skeleton... But it has arms! Wait, is it picking up a block!? I gotta get a closer look..." You look directly at it. It vanishes, and reappears directly in front of you, swinging! You try to run, but it just keeps coming, faster than you can get away! You run into another mob of them, and they all start attacking as well! You don't understand, you didn't do anything to them, and they were peaceful! You try and build a block shelter, keep them from you, but they pull the walls down!

You wake up somewhere on a beach, naked, not sure what happened, and stumble back to your base.

**shrike**

I reckon we should offset the map as planned, with a portal linking the sanc with the new place. maybe the "new sanc" will be dakka 001?
(for those who don't know, dakka 000 was the original name given to the sanc by legoburner)

**RaptorsTalon**

shrike wrote:I reckon we should offset the map as planned, with a portal linking the sanc with the new place. maybe the "new sanc" will be dakka 001?
(for those who don't know, dakka 000 was the original name given to the sanc by legoburner)

Sounds Good

**darkinnit**

I'm very reluctant to mess with the world using WorldEdit (or other such editors). A much better solution is to just use beds to offset your spawn point like you already do. Does it really matter more than that?

As for the thing about world seeds, you can get equally interesting terrain on the current seed, just explore a bit, it is generated randomly after all. Also none of those seeds will work the same in 1.8 as the new biome, canyon, river and ocean stuff means the generator is now vastly different.

Also, when 1.8 does come out, make and keep a backup of the Minecraft directory before you upgrade. This is a massive update and so we won't be updating the server to 1.8 until they've released several patches to fix the inevitable multitude of bugs. If you keep a backup of 1.7 and 1.8, you can switch between them to play 1.8 locally, then go back to 1.7 to play on the Dakka server (or to play with any mods you use). At least until they fix the bugs in 1.8.

If you are still all for clearing the world, perhaps we should actually wait till November when the final release comes out and THEN start from scratch....

**haloreach4ever**

So you don't all die in the new update of hunger i have dived in to the rescue!..

With the automatic pick cooker!!!
Schematics: G=grass, W=water source block, L=lava, S=stone, s=stone one block down, T=sign.

Ws s s s s s T L
Ws s s s s s T L
S GGGGGG G S
S GGGGGG G S
Ws s s s s s T L
Ws s s s s s T L

Hope that stops you getting hungry. (The cooked pork will gather at the gap were the sighs are and place a spawner on the grass for best effect.)

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Found an awesome seed: "darkestdayandblackestnightnoevilwillescapeoursightgreenlanternslight!" no spaces with ! mark at the end, you spawn near a pool surrounded by cliffs and there are loads of floating islands and huge cliffs.

**Deathklaat**

darkinnit wrote:
If you are still all for clearing the world, perhaps we should actually wait till November when the final release comes out and THEN start from scratch....

i would very much consider buying the game and playing on the server if this is the option chosen.

**Grundz**

Deathklaat wrote:
darkinnit wrote:
If you are still all for clearing the world, perhaps we should actually wait till November when the final release comes out and THEN start from scratch....

i would very much consider buying the game and playing on the server if this is the option chosen.

Honestly I see that as a poop reason.
We have a huge infastructure, infinite room, and tons of stuff in the donation area to get you started.
just because stuff already exists, is no reason to not play

**Deathklaat**

it just seems like everyone is very spread out working on all sorts of projects, i would like to be near the center of everything so i can contribute to the whole.

it would be nice if other animals could be tamed like wolves because then say if you tamed a pig or cow and more of the same animals spawned near them you could easily make a cow/pig ranch and supply food to everyone.

plus doing the new world in Nov lets me have time to play Space Marine and Dead Island a bit

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

I would be ok with a server reset. While I don't have any grand structures of note, I am in the process of building something big further away then everyone else, and it was quite a pain to get there.

But on the other hand, change is good, and us newer people can feel alot more involved in the server then just reading the signs and staying out of the way

**Grundz**

What do you guys think about this:

Nomadic Survival Server

Probably a few mods installed and some things edited by me.
I'd just package everything and email it to you rather than trust everyone to install it properly.

The server would be as follows:

Players join at a set time and join a team, each team is supplied with some starting stuff
Extremely high mob respawn rate and aggressiveness
Day/night cycle about the same, night wont be quite as dark though
Teams much reach a set point (lets say X1000, Y0 Z0) to win
Limited Beds, No pvp, No building towers that mobs can't reach, no super excessive torch use, can build temp structures into hillsides and such
Possibly some challenges built by admin on the way to the goal like cliffs and lava moats and such to traverse

It would be a server that is only up for a few hours (maybe) at a time

Thoughts?

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

Grundz wrote:What do you guys think about this:

Nomadic Survival Server

Probably a few mods installed and some things edited by me.
I'd just package everything and email it to you rather than trust everyone to install it properly.

The server would be as follows:

Players join at a set time and join a team, each team is supplied with some starting stuff
Extremely high mob respawn rate and aggressiveness
Day/night cycle about the same, night wont be quite as dark though
Teams much reach a set point (lets say X1000, Y0 Z0) to win
Limited Beds, No pvp, No building towers that mobs can't reach, no super excessive torch use, can build temp structures into hillsides and such
Possibly some challenges built by admin on the way to the goal like cliffs and lava moats and such to traverse

It would be a server that is only up for a few hours (maybe) at a time

Thoughts?

Nah, time zone difference would be too much of a hassle. And somebody is already the boss of survival nomadic play:

PANDEMONIUM!!

**Grundz**

That looks interesting, the 12 hour ban seems harsh but I guess you play until you die then go do something else, lol

**shrike**

darkinnit wrote:If you are still all for clearing the world, perhaps we should actually wait till November when the final release comes out and THEN start from scratch....

I think we should go for a really awesome seed if we restart from scratch.

**biccat**

I wouldn't want to reset the world unless most the current world was ported over. I'm not really particular about most of it, but I'd like to have my house and the contents of all the chests copied over.

If we're starting from scratch, I would probably build a simple little cottage and not do anything very ambitious.

**shrike**

biccat wrote:I wouldn't want to reset the world unless most the current world was ported over. I'm not really particular about most of it, but I'd like to have my house and the contents of all the chests copied over.

Same. As long as I get my manor, and winter & summer retreats copied over, I won't mind (too much)