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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 21:42:39
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Morphing Obliterator
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What it says in the title, if Calgar lost all his limbs to the 'nids, why was he not put in some sort of dreadnought?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 21:44:44
Subject: Re:Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 21:45:41
Subject: Re:Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Because to become a dreadnought you must be mortally wounded.
Calgar loosing all his limbs is just a flesh wound
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 21:46:15
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 21:49:16
Subject: Re:Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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I assume it isn't a case of lose all your limbs, may as well get stuck in a dreadnaught, the dreadnaught supports the pilots life, whereas Calgar seems to not have that many difficulties other than the fact he has bionic limbs. He can lead the chapter easier and with more flexibility than needing to have a techmarine following him close by at all times. Lastly, when not in battle, a dreadnaught 'sleeps'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 22:09:19
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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Because he's still alive? Heroes in Dreadnoughts are there because they are effectively dead and the sarcophagus is the only way to keep them fighting for the Emperor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 23:22:25
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Novice Knight Errant Pilot
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Bionic limbs are fairly standard tech. Dreadnought internment is for when the space marines have a warrior too valuable too lose, but too badly wounded for standard 40k medical efforts to save.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/19 23:32:19
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I go with "because all the dreads are allready taken and the waiting list extends to the 67th millenium"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 00:29:20
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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I always understood that being interred in a dred made you pretty logey and dull witted, prone to sleeping for centuries and generally more grumpy and pissy than you were before. These don't seem like good traits for a chapter-master to have.
They're good as a sort of walking-tomb-memorial for respected warriors, but they aren't the sort of thing you'd give any responsibility or command power to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 00:34:18
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Kosake wrote:I go with "because all the dreads are allready taken and the waiting list extends to the 67th millenium"
An extra dreadnought would be contradictory to the codex of course!
In all seriousness, dudes in dredd armour are basically dead and only held on by a coffin that can move.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 00:52:30
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Most fluff I've read, whether in the new codex or the 2nd ed Ultramarines codex, says his body was "broken" but that he wasn't explicitly dismembered. Evel Knievel broke every bone in his body and he didn't get put in a motorcycle-themed Dreadnought, why would Calgar?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 03:15:43
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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I'd have to go looking through some books, but usually people who get interred into dreadnoughts are way, way beyond just limb loss when they get interred, basically they are going to die anyway and the only other option is internment in a dreadnought sarcophagus (If available, and if the person being interred isn't coherent enough/of a rank enough to deny it, if it would mean taking the dreadnought shell of another chapter hero.)
If there is the viability of survival of just with bionic replacements and they'll be good to go, doesn't make sense "losing" them to the dreadnought process.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 03:45:23
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Because a dude in artificer armor with lots of wounds and a good save he is way survivable.
As a dred he would get wrecked by a wave serpent in a single volley...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 04:52:15
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Because he's the God of War, not the Corpse of War.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 05:14:23
Subject: Re:Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Because then it would show that our heroes are fallible and can be felled by any chump. Complex ideas like that would be too much for GW's writing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 05:26:05
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Repentia Mistress
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Brother SRM wrote:Most fluff I've read, whether in the new codex or the 2nd ed Ultramarines codex, says his body was "broken" but that he wasn't explicitly dismembered. Evel Knievel broke every bone in his body and he didn't get put in a motorcycle-themed Dreadnought, why would Calgar?
I forget where but it's stated that his arms where replaced, dismembered? Idk but they weren't savable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 05:34:28
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Here's something to think about
Quoting(ish, i might not be entirely acurrate, but here goes) from DoW2:
Apothecary Gordion wrote:Relax, Captain Thule still lives, but is in grave condition. Most of his vital organs and implants are destroyed, and an alien poison is attacking surviving tissue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 06:13:38
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Real reason is that as a dreadnought he'd get destroyed quickly, now he has resiliency instead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/20 19:21:01
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Aijec wrote: Brother SRM wrote:Most fluff I've read, whether in the new codex or the 2nd ed Ultramarines codex, says his body was "broken" but that he wasn't explicitly dismembered. Evel Knievel broke every bone in his body and he didn't get put in a motorcycle-themed Dreadnought, why would Calgar?
I forget where but it's stated that his arms where replaced, dismembered? Idk but they weren't savable.
You are referring to an outdated story from 1988. When a character has existed for 25 years in a universe that constantly changes, it's hard to always keep track of what he's up to, lol. I don't think the Bionic Calgar story is still relevant in the current version of the canon. Back then he was also originally found among the survivors of the now-retconned Hive Fleet Locust. Of course, which is impossible in the post 2nd Edition canon for both Space Marines, and the Ultramarines.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/21 23:04:06
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Because if he was turned into a dread, he would never see battle, because he would be too fragile!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/21 23:08:04
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/22 01:25:42
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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That's GOD corpse of war to you heretic
I always though dreadnaughts were what marines do if one of their own needed to be on life support for the rest of their life. So wouldn't apply to papa smurf
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/22 22:54:40
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Calgar is already dead. He died fighting the Tyranids and was subsequently replaced by an Alpha Legion operative.
That is the only real reason for Calgar's 'miraculous recovery' and not being turned into a dreadnought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/22 23:06:30
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Morphing Obliterator
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Iron_Captain wrote:Calgar is already dead. He died fighting the Tyranids and was subsequently replaced by an Alpha Legion operative.
That is the only real reason for Calgar's 'miraculous recovery' and not being turned into a dreadnought.
To keep watch on Alpharius's recovery I presume?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/23 00:40:00
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Confessor Of Sins
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The Ultramarines are one of the richest Chapters around so they do have many dreadnoughts, but they're also one of the most efficient Chapters so they have access to good medical care. A few bionic limbs is not going to slow down a marine - in fact they might even make him more powerful. And the Ultras probably know how to buy the best and how to install them.
If Calgar had lost half his torso and both arms they might have gone for Dreadnought. As it was he could be restored to fighting condition "easier" and the Chapter didn't need to throw some ancient hero out of his sarcofagus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/23 02:03:29
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Because then he would suck more than he already does.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/23 02:27:39
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Yeah. He'd be much easier to kill if he was a dreadnought. Automatically Appended Next Post: And the obvious... because he's not a dreadnought. If you knew what a dreadnought was, you'd know he doesn't qualify.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/23 09:20:33
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:Because he's still alive? Heroes in Dreadnoughts are there because they are effectively dead and the sarcophagus is the only way to keep them fighting for the Emperor.
Nope, they're still alive, only barely.
They're like vegetables clad in steel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/23 12:32:08
Subject: Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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Lady of the Lake
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That just made me think that there's probably a chapter of marines out there devoted to spreading the word about vegetables and nutrition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/23 12:44:44
Subject: Re:Why isn't Calgar A dreadnought?
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