Vallejo Paints - New Model Color Chart (pg. 20)

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**Ghaz**

Arbitrator wrote:
I've had a couple of the new bottles. Hadn't really noticed a difference in formulation, but they were colours I hadn't owned before so I couldn't really compare.

I know it's a petty grievance, but there's something that feels cheap about the new bottles when you handle them. Apparently they're better for the environment though, so that tracks.

From https://www.vallejoacrylics.com/en/home/

The new fully transparent r-PET (recycled/recyclable) plastic bottle is completely transparent, improves color visualization and enhances AV’s commitment to sustainability and the environment. In addition to the new bottle, the new cap includes a security seal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PET_bottle_recycling

**Albertorius**

stahly wrote:
RexHavoc wrote:
TBH not a fan of the new bottles, ordered one game colour to test them and the bottles are horrid.

After being sick of Gw discontinuing colours and 'improving' their washes, I am a bit disappointed to see Vallejo doing the very same. I'm not really interested in paint innovation, rather I like paint lines for their reliable availability, consistent results and its a bonus if the bottles don't leak half their contents out the dropper, or dry up the moment you look at them.

I already stocked up on colours from the old game range that I really liked, but I have no intention of dropping big money on model colour because they are doing the same to that range- though this was inevitable once they changed the game range.

Well, this is how personal preferences differ. For me the new VGC dropper bottles are the best in the industry. With the clear plastic, you can see the colours perfectly, they have reinforced nozzles so they don't split easily, but what I like most is the soft plastic that is so easy to squeeze and allows a lot of control of how much paint you want to get out.

Counterpoint: they are OK for regular paints, but for XPress they're not good. This is what happens as soon as you start using them, because they don't seal correctly on the top:

(And for XPress, you have to MOVE them, quite a lot, so... that's what you end up getting)

Plus, the soft plastic results in some of the bottles coming deformed:

No problem if you can just pick another one at the store, but if you're buying online, you get what you get.

**insaniak**

Albertorius wrote:

Counterpoint: they are OK for regular paints, but for XPress they're not good. This is what happens as soon as you start using them, because they don't seal correctly on the top:

Spoiler:

I've not had this happen with any of mine. That looks like the result of not screwing the lid on tightly enough, as mine seem to seal correctly. It's possible some of the lids are just looser than others, though.

Plus, the soft plastic results in some of the bottles coming deformed:

Spoiler:

That just looks like a bit of vacuum in the bottle, as if it was squeezed a little when the lid was screwed on. Should pop out when the bottle is opened. Even if it doesn't, it won't affect the paint inside, though.

**Commitz**

I don't mind the new bottles at all, the leakage isn't any worse than with other dropper bottles I've had

**Irdiumstern**

I'm not a fan of their new formula, it's the bubbliest I've ever seen an acrylic paint. If their model colors also change I guess I'll be sticking to AK for regular paints in the future.

**Albertorius**

insaniak wrote:
Albertorius wrote:

Counterpoint: they are OK for regular paints, but for XPress they're not good. This is what happens as soon as you start using them, because they don't seal correctly on the top:

Spoiler:

I've not had this happen with any of mine. That looks like the result of not screwing the lid on tightly enough, as mine seem to seal correctly. It's possible some of the lids are just looser than others, though.

I can assure you, that's not the case. I've cleaned it twice already, left it gunk free and closed it as tightly as humanly possible.

Still the same result, so I'm guessing the second assumption is probably correct.

That just looks like a bit of vacuum in the bottle, as if it was squeezed a little when the lid was screwed on. Should pop out when the bottle is opened. Even if it doesn't, it won't affect the paint inside, though.

It doesn't affect the paint inside, but it's permanently deformed.

**Gimgamgoo**

Well, I have the Xpress Templar White.
The colour is fantastic on white, far better than the GW version. I will gladly try more Xpress ones after this one rather than Contrast or Speed Paint.
The dropper bottle on the other hand is just as naff as the old Vallejo ones or AP ones. See picture when shaken.

The only dropper bottles I've found that aren't like this are Instar and Two Thin Coats. The TTCs are the best, as Instar is very narrow and paint dries in the top and needs a pin on hand to clean once in a while.

**Ghaz**

Vallrjo has dropped the new Model Color & Liquid Metal Color Charts

Introducing the new Model Color, the range that sets the standard for all figure and model kits painting enthusiasts, now improved to remain your favorite paint!

We are pleased to share with all of you the changes we have made to Model Color, our most iconic and versatile range.

Throughout this process, we have been advised by renowned painters and modelers who have helped us design the colors of the range so that you have the exact tone to paint your figures and models.

The range consists of 220 references, including 192 very opaque colors, 10 metallics, 2 transparent, and 16 auxiliary products, presented in the new 18 ml r-PET (recycled/recyclable) bottle, completely transparent and more sustainable
.
And if you’re wondering if the new Model Color it’s the same as before, the answer is NO, it’s not the same, it’s better!

**deano2099**

I bought a box set of 4 liquid metal paints at the end of last year and one of them was in the new style bottle, so I presume the formulation on those hasn't changed.

**Ghaz**

**Ghaz**

Vallejo has updated Model Color & Liquid Metal Color Charts.

**hotsauceman1**

This is interesting, model color was such a staple for me, but I could never get a hold of most of them.
Any news on metal color?

**AllSeeingSkink**

Are these in the wild? I googled and there's no reviews or opinions that I could find.

I'm mostly worried that they've turned it into something designed for "pro painters" by taking the heavy pigment good coverage into something designed to be layered or glazed or whatever.

**gorgon**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is interesting, model color was such a staple for me, but I could never get a hold of most of them.
Any news on metal color?

No news on metal color is good news. Don't mess with perfection.

**Tannhauser42**

gorgon wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is interesting, model color was such a staple for me, but I could never get a hold of most of them.
Any news on metal color?

No news on metal color is good news. Don't mess with perfection.

I still bought several bottles of the colors I use most, just in case.

**Ghaz**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Any news on metal color?

No, there is no news on the Metal Color line other than that they have been relabeled to match the rest of the hobby line (note that it's the alcohol based Liquid Metal paints in the Model Color chart).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are these in the wild? I googled and there's no reviews or opinions that I could find.

Per the Acrylicos Vallejo Facebook page the new range should be available at the end of this month. This may be impacted by how much existing stock is in the pipeline from distributors and what stock retailers have on hand of the old formulation.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm mostly worried that they've turned it into something designed for "pro painters" by taking the heavy pigment good coverage into something designed to be layered or glazed or whatever.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've changed to the new Game Color formulation (that I really like). Check out Stahly's review of the Game Color paints for what the new Model Color paints might be like:

**hotsauceman1**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are these in the wild? I googled and there's no reviews or opinions that I could find.

I'm mostly worried that they've turned it into something designed for "pro painters" by taking the heavy pigment good coverage into something designed to be layered or glazed or whatever.

This is an interesting opinion, paints good enough for pros to use al also good for novices. also, heavy pigments are pretty much required for layering and glazing, so the paint doesn't break.

**gorgon**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
gorgon wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is interesting, model color was such a staple for me, but I could never get a hold of most of them.
Any news on metal color?

No news on metal color is good news. Don't mess with perfection.

I still bought several bottles of the colors I use most, just in case.

Not a bad plan. I stocked up on the Citadel gloss washes back before they went OOP. I use them in a specific application.

I should *slightly* amend my previous statement. *IF* there was news of Metal Color getting additional gold hues, that would in fact be good news. But no formula changes please.

**Ghaz**

First Model Color tutorial with the new formulation from Angel Giraldez

**AllSeeingSkink**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are these in the wild? I googled and there's no reviews or opinions that I could find.

I'm mostly worried that they've turned it into something designed for "pro painters" by taking the heavy pigment good coverage into something designed to be layered or glazed or whatever.

This is an interesting opinion, paints good enough for pros to use al also good for novices. also, heavy pigments are pretty much required for layering and glazing, so the paint doesn't break.

I wasn't really talking about "pros vs novices", so much as "people who paint for a living and need their models to look good in a 10x zoom photo versus people who paint their models for the tabletop and their own display cabinet rather than selling or for internet clout".

I guess what I mean by that is paints designed for pros tend to favour flow, ability to thin to very low opacity to blending/filtering/etc, being able to be manipulated a lot, and smooth coats that still look okay after 10 thin layers.

Vallejo Model Colour was my go-to when I didn't care about all that gak and just wanted a solid coat of paint in as few steps as possible. Like, instead of wanting a 100% smooth coat that takes me 10 minutes to lay down, I want a 90% smooth coat that takes me 1 minute to lay down.

Admittedly there was some odd inconsistencies in behaviour between one bottle and the next, but overall it was one of my favourite lines for "I just want this model on the table and don't need it to be perfect".

If it still does that, then cool.

**NAVARRO**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are these in the wild? I googled and there's no reviews or opinions that I could find.

I'm mostly worried that they've turned it into something designed for "pro painters" by taking the heavy pigment good coverage into something designed to be layered or glazed or whatever.

This is an interesting opinion, paints good enough for pros to use al also good for novices. also, heavy pigments are pretty much required for layering and glazing, so the paint doesn't break.

I wasn't really talking about "pros vs novices", so much as "people who paint for a living and need their models to look good in a 10x zoom photo versus people who paint their models for the tabletop and their own display cabinet rather than selling or for internet clout".

I guess what I mean by that is paints designed for pros tend to favour flow, ability to thin to very low opacity to blending/filtering/etc, being able to be manipulated a lot, and smooth coats that still look okay after 10 thin layers.

Vallejo Model Colour was my go-to when I didn't care about all that gak and just wanted a solid coat of paint in as few steps as possible. Like, instead of wanting a 100% smooth coat that takes me 10 minutes to lay down, I want a 90% smooth coat that takes me 1 minute to lay down.

Admittedly there was some odd inconsistencies in behaviour between one bottle and the next, but overall it was one of my favourite lines for "I just want this model on the table and don't need it to be perfect".

If it still does that, then cool.

From what I got from the video is exactly the opposite that you say since they fixed the inconsistent OPACITY of some bottles and made them all more opaque to cover minis smoothly in a few coats? The fact you can thin more is a user choice.
Either way I just want that they release the big deals box sets which they haven't for game colour so meh!

**Ghaz**

I'm hoping that their availability dates are accurate

From Peachstate Hobby Distribution

Vallejo is introducing the new Model Color, the range that sets the standard for all figure- and model-kits-painting enthusiasts, now improved to remain your favorite paint! They have introduced a new formulation that will surprise you with its amazing brushability, excellent opacity, and superb matt finish.

Colors dry quickly, forming a homogeneous and self-leveling film that respects the smallest detail present in your model. They recommend applying them on a previously primed surface. Vallejo has updated the range, offering you 32 new colors so that you can find the color you need for your creative projects. You will also find equivalent shades to the main colors used in military codifications during WWII and subsequent conflicts (RAL, RLM, FS…). Throughout this process, Vallejo has been advised by renowned painters and modelers who have helped them design the colors of the range so that you have the exact tone to paint your figures and models.

As for the image, you will find a new display with renewed graphics, a new label, and the new 18 ml r-PET (recycled/recyclable) bottle, completely transparent. Additionally, they have arranged the display chromatically, based on the Vallejo BSL (Base, Shade, Light) painting system, allowing you to easily locate the appropriate tones for highlighting and shading a specific base color. The majority of colors from the original range have been maintained, with the same name and reference number. Your favorite colors still exist!

And if you’re wondering if the new Model Color is the same as before, the answer is no: It’s not the same, it’s better!

**AllSeeingSkink**

NAVARRO wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Are these in the wild? I googled and there's no reviews or opinions that I could find.

I'm mostly worried that they've turned it into something designed for "pro painters" by taking the heavy pigment good coverage into something designed to be layered or glazed or whatever.

This is an interesting opinion, paints good enough for pros to use al also good for novices. also, heavy pigments are pretty much required for layering and glazing, so the paint doesn't break.

I wasn't really talking about "pros vs novices", so much as "people who paint for a living and need their models to look good in a 10x zoom photo versus people who paint their models for the tabletop and their own display cabinet rather than selling or for internet clout".

I guess what I mean by that is paints designed for pros tend to favour flow, ability to thin to very low opacity to blending/filtering/etc, being able to be manipulated a lot, and smooth coats that still look okay after 10 thin layers.

Vallejo Model Colour was my go-to when I didn't care about all that gak and just wanted a solid coat of paint in as few steps as possible. Like, instead of wanting a 100% smooth coat that takes me 10 minutes to lay down, I want a 90% smooth coat that takes me 1 minute to lay down.

Admittedly there was some odd inconsistencies in behaviour between one bottle and the next, but overall it was one of my favourite lines for "I just want this model on the table and don't need it to be perfect".

If it still does that, then cool.

From what I got from the video is exactly the opposite that you say since they fixed the inconsistent OPACITY of some bottles and made them all more opaque to cover minis smoothly in a few coats? The fact you can thin more is a user choice.
Either way I just want that they release the big deals box sets which they haven't for game colour so meh!

Perhaps, but in general I've found paints that are designed to be thinned for fine painting tend to prioritise good flow, and perhaps counter intuitively, when trying to get good coverage the best thing is if the paint stays where it is rather than flowing nicely.

Like, the best technique I've found for simply laying down paint fast is to get something like a drybrush, apply a bit too much, then stab at the model to work the paint into the crevices and make it more uniform. That kind of doesn't work with paints that flow really nicely.

But we'll see, this is a new paint so maybe it doesn't behave like other paints I'm thinking of.

I haven't really tried any of the new Vallejo Game Colour range, I did read some reviews that when people work it a lot (like I mention above) it tends to create bubbles, I'd guess that's likely because they went heavy on the surfactants to make it flow well. So hopefully the new VMC doesn't do that.

**Ghaz**

Angel mentions that you should always start with the base color, as the lighter colors have a lower coverage and will require more coats. Stahly mentions this in his review of the Game Color line when he covered the new metallics.