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tneva82 wrote:
2 reaver plus warlord can be legal maniple. Here's all possible no-warhound maniples:

Myrmidon: 2-3 warlord, 1-2 reaver. With gryphonicus can be 1-2 warlord, 2-3 reaver
Corsair: 3-5 reaver
Axiom with gryphonicus: warlord, 2-3 reaver

Technically also gryphonicus Regalia with 2 warlord and 1 reaver but that's pretty crazy maniple as you are giving up big maniple bonus leaving only small help. Also fixed for 3 titans.

Still if you want warlord+2 reaver just take gryphonicus rules and myrmidon. At least one long range gun per titan(preferably 2, one for knocking down shields, one for punching armour) and you are set to go. Alternatively axiom provides you more reliability with orders.

OK, thank you. I keep this in mind.

And 2 reaver+warlord maniple fits within that range band. Even with warlord being apoc+2 volcano's which is among most expensive combinations. Gets cheaper when gatling cannons comes and plasma cheapens it up.

So that maniple is valid for smallest point band if that's what you want to play. Venator can get underdog bonus but hey he has less powerfull titans so it evens up.

For medium level you can then add up knights. For epic even more knights or maybe reaver and/or warlord.


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 Sherrypie wrote:
Edit: though actually the smallest maniple nowadays is a triple 'Hound Lupercal at 600 points. Woop.

You know 8 such hounds in 2 maniples sounds potentially scary. Running straight inside shields and causing 6 S8/S9/S10(depending on direction you come from) HITS per warhound...Wonder if with 3 you could also lock warlord into place where it can't move out of 2" so shooting at 5+. And as you can't put templates so they hit friendly might be tough to rescue them with volcano cannons...Or clear your way out.

Is the warlord claw getting usage with these new threats?

 Achilles wrote:
Embedding my review for those that don't want to jump to a new window. Thanks Mothman for the shout!

Love the channel! Sometimes I watch the battle reports while painting, so I don't feel like I'm missing out on the gaming side.

Loving the supplement so far. Just the maniple's offer sooooo many new things to try I'm going to be busy for MONTHS even if I could get 2 games per week(not likely). And we aren't even talking about the campaign system...Looking forward to that. Scavening sounded interesting.

Only issue I have is no Legio Victorum there ;-) Haha. Can't have it all. Not that I'm likely to see those rules for years if ever. But there's that (traitor) legion with siege specialisation. Sounds good enough for long range prefering Victorum to use as count-as.

tneva82 wrote:
Only issue I have is no Legio Victorum there ;-) Haha. Can't have it all. Not that I'm likely to see those rules for years if ever. But there's that (traitor) legion with siege specialisation. Sounds good enough for long range prefering Victorum to use as count-as.

I wonder if this is the pattern for legio rules - 4 traitors and 4 loyalists per supplement. There's still a ton of legions to do. Off the top of my head, there's the Iron Skulls (Metalica), Warmongers (Crucius), Morning Stars (Astraman), Deathbolts, Imperial Fists, Fire Wasps (Ignatum), Cockatrices, Vulcanum I, Vulcanum II, Firemasters (Sutorvora) and the Flaming Skulls. The two Vulcanum Legios would be good candidates to feature alongside the introduction of the Eldar.

Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

 Toofast wrote:
Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

It's hard to say. The Warlord Titan is basically three sprues. So at that price the Warlord box itself would come out to $126. That's a little over ten percent of what it actually costs. Given that, the mark-up for the single sprue isn't too bad.

I think the real question is what the mark-up is on the Warlord itself. That's roughly $36 per sprue.

Draw your own conclusions.

I’d just get a second Warlord.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’d just get a second Warlord.

The new style Warlord is selling on eBay for $93.50 with free shipping and usually no tax. Yea, buying the weapon sprue alone at half the cost of what you can get the full Warlord for really doesn't make a lot of sense.

Urgh, just remembered that the Weapon sprues are only available through GW directly...

More interested in the Reaver sprue, but now considering the new variant instead.

Thats just a niggle though and Its been a great week for Titanicus.

Just a word of warning for those thinking of going the Ebay route for alternative weapons. Some locals ordered some and when they showed up, they were absolute garbage. They had been printed on a 3D printer with poor resolution and then cast with major mold slip. Things were hot garbage and you could see it from the other side of the table.

I was excited about the weapon sprues being sold individually but not so much about the price...Being GW exclusive it takes the cost up above half the price of grabbing the warlord kit at my local store instead...

But I dont need more warlord...

Thanks to everyone who did reviews of the book, which sounds like a fun addition to the game.

I would have liked to see some more gear or even a new Titan class, but what's there sounds good.

As for the cost of the weapons sprue, I can't say I'm surprised. It's got to be greater than 1/3 the cost of a new Titan from a supply chain perspective, so it's roughly where I figured (which is higher than I'd hoped, but there's logic for you).

New Maniples and Legio Traits seem to be doing exactly what they should. Changing up the buy-in cost, and allowing greater diversity across people’s forces and tactics.

For a game with a mere five kits at the time of writing, that’s pretty important! With any luck, we’ll soon be able to add say, a single Reaver to bulk out our forces, and gain access to two or more new Maniple types.

7 kits including the Knights, and you can add single Titans to your force but they don’t get Maniple bonuses.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New Maniples and Legio Traits seem to be doing exactly what they should. Changing up the buy-in cost, and allowing greater diversity across people’s forces and tactics.

For a game with a mere five kits at the time of writing, that’s pretty important! With any luck, we’ll soon be able to add say, a single Reaver to bulk out our forces, and gain access to two or more new Maniple types.

I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to play out all the possibilities! Especially fun when you play big enough games there could be TWO maniples. That's....a lot of combinations! And even with just one...Well there's just so many combinations. Especially when you factor in weapon combos. Lupercall plays very differently depending on weapon load outs. 8 warhounds with short range guns play out lot differently to 8 warhounds with long range guns! Albeit I don't have weapons for craziest edge lists(8 warhounds with twin flamers...However 3+3 twin vulcans plus 2 with say twin plasma is possibility). Ballerina reavers of corsair maniple...And with 18 questors and 8 lancers I'm eager to try the knight bonus maniple!

All the reviews seem to be(understandably) focusing on the new rules. But has there been any more info on "official" colour schemes beyond the WHC preview? For the Knights especially we have transfers coming but no idea of there heraldry beyond the basic(and possibly wrong) list that shows the Legios they fought alongside.

I’d love to see high res photos of the Legio Solaria and House Procon Vi colour schemes from the book if any of you have it? I’m way more interested in those than any of the rules in the book (most of the time I'll be using my AT models to play Epic rather than AT anyway). Thanks!

The regio maniple warlords with just 1 warhound was indeed super tough. Took up guns from 3 warhound with barely effect. Took 5 warhounds(5 vulcan, 2 laser destructor and 3 plasma gun) to get shields out.


If you face one with two warhounds might not be worth it firing. Too resource intensive. Ignore, deal with softer pair and see if you can get knights or h2g reaver into combat. All those 3+ with tons reactor rolls(particularly if no volcano so no need to save for that) for reroll 1's and total 6 repair roll...

Tough. H2h is good solution for that

Toofast wrote:Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

Yeah, that's a bit too much for one sprue.

And here I was thinking/hoping it would be $35...

Nostromodamus wrote:I’d just get a second Warlord.

Probably what I'll end up doing, which is probably what GW would want us all to do, but I'll at least go through a third party, so GW gets less of the money!

That'll teach 'em!!!

:(

Well. I went from buying 12 sprues(6 warlord, 6 reaver. Would have been 14 with corsair maniple giving me reason to buy 2 more reaver sprue) to...2 warlord sprue. Thanks GW. Saved lots of cash!


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 Mothman wrote:
Janissary- 2 reaver 2 hounds (reaver+hound extra) when a titan moves a knight banner can also move

BTW this is odd one. Every other maniple is 3-5. This one is 4-6? Also wonder if bonus is just moving or activating.

2 reavers, 2 warhounds, 2x2 lancer, 1x5 questor would be close to 1750. Biggest issue with this maniple will be that you want plenty of knights(one banner isn't really going to make it worthwhile) but that's going to be very point intensive. Will pretty much require confrontration and work best at epic.

Albeit depends on exact composition. That 4-6 seems odd.


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Aaah no 4-6 indeed. 1 reaver, 2 warhound minimum. Can add one of both so 2 reaver, 3 warhound max. And seems indeed just in movement phase. Well double charging can be useful.

BoLS has a page by page flip through on YouTube. All the Legios with rules get colour plate examples for Warlord. Reaver and Warhound Titans. Unfortunately there is nothing new for any other Legios or Knight houses

Personally I'd shell out for a book that was just colour schemes and background. So fingers crossed for more AT expansions in the near future.

February White Dwarf appears to have an article on Vassal Knight Houses - not sure of the contents (or the source of this):



Hopeful for at least some colour schemes or a colour plate or two.

Does it come with an FAQ section for the original rulebook? There's one or two things that could do with clearing up...

Better not be in pay to read wd.

 Toofast wrote:
Anyone else think $42 USD is a bit steep for 1 sprue? If you want your Warlord to have all options, it's now a $152 kit.

Cheaper is always better from the consumer's standpoint, I think we can all agree. I had hoped they would be cheaper, but my own speculation was that realistically they'd probably be $40 USD. Still, my LGS has a loyalty program, so you can get a discount after so many purchases. I'd been waiting for the sprues, so saved mine up and was able to pick 'em up for about $32 USD apiece.

I am on the fence on picking up the alternate weapon Walord and Reaver complete kits, as I'd like to all the options for each titan if possible, and I've not seen any evidence that the weapon sprues in the "base" release for each titan will be released separately.

I do think the Reaver weapon sprue will be cheaper than the Warlord's, when it comes out.

Honestly I think the only problem with the sprue is that it's direct-only. If it was available at the same discount as the boxed Warlord it would restore the "about 1/3 with a wee premium" price differential, but being stuck at full price relative to ~25% cheaper Warlords it looks like a terrible deal.

I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I still think they should have just stuck with a single box for each Titan chassis and put the upgrade sprues out as proper, packaged products through standard retail channels.

If the sprues were cheaper sure. Now? That would make it more expensive for players.

Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
Initially, the weapon sprue is expensive, and when compared to the rest of a titan, it sure is. But look at it anotherway. A Comparable Forgeworld single 40k Dreadnought Weapon is £10. This Sprue contains x3 Arm Weapons, and x2 Carapace weapons. Buying these as individual Resin weapons fom FW would probably set you back in the region of £46. £10 for each of the arms, £8 for each of the carapace.

I'm not defending GW's pricing (really I'm not), but compared to how much it could have been..................

Why compare it to something we knew it wuld never be, resin?