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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:


EDIT: Hmm - so it's possible to buy two Seraphim sets plus one set of 10 battle sisters, and voila you have 10 Seraphim AND 10 converted Zephyrim, without having to buy 4 boxes. All you need is to engineer some flight stands.


You would also need to find or sculpt the missing part of 5 of those jump packs.


Well if we're being pedantic about it, I'd need 10 of that piece in the scenario I outlined, not 5, because I'd only have 10 of them to share between 20 jump pack sisters.

But sheesh, you keep talking about that small shield as if not adding it to each jump pack will somehow cause a Seraphim/Zephyrim model to explode. Just relax dude, it's a tiny shield with a purity seal on it. I'm sure people will find something else to glue on to the spot where those go. We aren't going to just throw up our hands and toss the five remaining perfectly usable jump packs into the trash just because of that small piece.

 
   
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 Casbyness wrote:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:


EDIT: Hmm - so it's possible to buy two Seraphim sets plus one set of 10 battle sisters, and voila you have 10 Seraphim AND 10 converted Zephyrim, without having to buy 4 boxes. All you need is to engineer some flight stands.


You would also need to find or sculpt the missing part of 5 of those jump packs.


Well if we're being pedantic about it, I'd need 10 of that piece in the scenario I outlined, not 5, because I'd only have 10 of them to share between 20 jump pack sisters.

But sheesh, you keep talking about that small shield as if not adding it to each jump pack will somehow cause a Seraphim/Zephyrim model to explode. Just relax dude, it's a tiny shield with a purity seal on it. I'm sure people will find something else to glue on to the spot where those go. We aren't going to just throw up our hands and toss the five remaining perfectly usable jump packs into the trash just because of that small piece.


I’ve mentioned it a few times because different people have claimed that the set comes with 10 complete jump packs. It doesn’t. That piece is not just some tiny bit of decoration you can leave off. The jump packs are modelled to be hollow and that is the backplate which completes the pack. It’s difficult to tell from the photos, but I think it also forms part of the side of the lower part of the jump pack too.

I’m not for a minute suggesting that it can’t be replaced/resculpted and that the extra jump packs can’t be used. It’s just not 10 complete jump packs per set like some people were saying.
   
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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
That piece is not just some tiny bit of decoration you can leave off. The jump packs are modelled to be hollow and that is the backplate which completes the pack. It’s difficult to tell from the photos, but I think it also forms part of the side of the lower part of the jump pack too.

Are you sure about any of that, without holding the sprues in your hands?

I mean, you might be right, but at present things aren't clear either way.

Even money says there's a piece up on Shapeways within a day or two of the kit being released.

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 Dysartes wrote:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
That piece is not just some tiny bit of decoration you can leave off. The jump packs are modelled to be hollow and that is the backplate which completes the pack. It’s difficult to tell from the photos, but I think it also forms part of the side of the lower part of the jump pack too.

Are you sure about any of that, without holding the sprues in your hands?

I mean, you might be right, but at present things aren't clear either way.

Even money says there's a piece up on Shapeways within a day or two of the kit being released.


I’m as certain as I can be without holding the sprues in my hand.
   
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Looking at the bits on the sprue photos, I don’t believe there is any complex side part on the “shield” sections but will be a counterpart socket to the extrusions on the rear of the packs.
Based on that, though, my plan would be to use Blue Stuff to make press-moulds. The “shield” parts are not structural and have a large contact area so putty copies should be quite stable.

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 porkuslime wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:
I have a dumb question - is the Seraphim set 5 or 10 models?

I was assuming 5, but the GW article about the set shows a photo of 10 models.


5 models that can be built each two ways.. so you get loads of extra bits


Yay. More arms. Yay. In case I ever want an army of 4 armed battle sisters.


 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
That piece is not just some tiny bit of decoration you can leave off. The jump packs are modelled to be hollow and that is the backplate which completes the pack. It’s difficult to tell from the photos, but I think it also forms part of the side of the lower part of the jump pack too.

Are you sure about any of that, without holding the sprues in your hands?

I mean, you might be right, but at present things aren't clear either way.

Even money says there's a piece up on Shapeways within a day or two of the kit being released.


You could just remove that entire section of the jump pack and replace it with the identical section from a regular SoB backpack. All they've done is split that lower parrt of the pack into two pieces, depth-wise, so that they could avoid the challenge of having the fiddly little purity seal molded on to the jump pack, which would have made molding the vents and other decorations more difficult.

Or you could just not use the shield piece at all and nobody would care. Once painted, the connector on the jump pack that links with that shield piece would just look like a normal part of the model.

Of course, any sane person will just dab a small piece of green stuff in the place of the shield, or glue something else there like a spare helmet, holstered pistol, grenade, vehicle smoke launcher, or small shield.

The idea that you can't use all ten packs on account of that small piece is like saying you can't use a Rhino because you're missing the top hatch piece.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 porkuslime wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:
I have a dumb question - is the Seraphim set 5 or 10 models?

I was assuming 5, but the GW article about the set shows a photo of 10 models.


5 models that can be built each two ways.. so you get loads of extra bits


Yay. More arms. Yay. In case I ever want an army of 4 armed battle sisters.



Or in the case of the Canoness sprue, you can create "Olga Octavius - eight armed destroyer!"

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I’ll repeat this because everyone seems to have missed it. There are not 10 full jump packs. There is a shield shaped plate which forms the back of the jump pack, which you only get 5 of.


That's an easy conversion though. Those back plate are pretty flat; so you could easily press mold them from GS. Or fill the space with your favorite modeling putty and sand it smooth. Or cover it with plastic card, and glue one some purity seals or other bits from the Sisters range. The real problem with using them to convert a Battle Sister box is their heavier cassocks, and striding poses. Although. you could get around the poses if you mount them on a standard base base.

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Has the GW webstore been caught in an endless checkout loop for two weeks for anyone else, requiring me to log back in when confirming my paypal details and thus rebooting the order to stage one without completing it?
   
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I don’t know if people are wilfully misunderstanding what I’ve said regarding the jump packs. At no point have I claimed that you can’t use all 10. At no point have I claimed that making all 10 usable is not an easy conversion. All I have done is point out that when the sprue pic first came online, a few people were claiming that you got 10 complete jump packs and that this simply isn’t true.

That’s it.

Now I’m done with this.

I’m done done with all the , yes but ... answers

I’m done.
   
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changemod wrote:
Has the GW webstore been caught in an endless checkout loop for two weeks for anyone else, requiring me to log back in when confirming my paypal details and thus rebooting the order to stage one without completing it?


I had one time it. Didn't figure any way myself to fix. Eventually fixed itseif. Gw said to clear cache etc but didn't help then

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yay. More arms. Yay. In case I ever want an army of 4 armed battle sisters.

You cannot possibly be implying that you would rather pay 33% less to have a kit that only builds Seraphim, or a kit that only builds Zephyrims, instead of the more expensive dual kit, right?

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Yay. More arms. Yay. In case I ever want an army of 4 armed battle sisters.


For your Genestealer Cult army...

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ha - I love it - GW cant win...
kit supplies multiple arms for different poses; GW suks we don't care about extra parts...

But if kit doesn't provide extra bits; GW and their crappy no option kits ^%$#^$^#@!
   
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petrov27 wrote:
ha - I love it - GW cant win...
kit supplies multiple arms for different poses; GW suks we don't care about extra parts...

But if kit doesn't provide extra bits; GW and their crappy no option kits ^%$#^$^#@!

The trick is useful options. Extra backpacks is useful, extra weapons can be useful. Extra arms are not.

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pm713 wrote:
petrov27 wrote:
ha - I love it - GW cant win...
kit supplies multiple arms for different poses; GW suks we don't care about extra parts...

But if kit doesn't provide extra bits; GW and their crappy no option kits ^%$#^$^#@!

The trick is useful options. Extra backpacks is useful, extra weapons can be useful. Extra arms are not.


I prefer monopose with two different pairs of arms to monopose where you just switch equipment/hands

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pm713 wrote:

The trick is useful options. Extra backpacks is useful, extra weapons can be useful. Extra arms are not.

They're useful for all sorts of conversions. I'm glad they're there.

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pm713 wrote:
petrov27 wrote:
ha - I love it - GW cant win...
kit supplies multiple arms for different poses; GW suks we don't care about extra parts...

But if kit doesn't provide extra bits; GW and their crappy no option kits ^%$#^$^#@!

The trick is useful options. Extra backpacks is useful, extra weapons can be useful. Extra arms are not.


What? I can remember lots of conversions, or even general assembly of a squad out of the box, where extra/different arms was precisely what I wanted.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yay. More arms. Yay. In case I ever want an army of 4 armed battle sisters.

You cannot possibly be implying that you would rather pay 33% less to have a kit that only builds Seraphim, or a kit that only builds Zephyrims, instead of the more expensive dual kit, right?

I'm just amused by the idea that even if they did them as single kits, there would be any kind of savings, let alone savings as high as 33%.

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Ah well thats a another few hundred quid spent on new Sisters stuff.

Really looking forward to seeing them made and painted.

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Two off-handed swords per Seraphim box. So you need 3 boxes if you want a fun squad of 5 Zephyrim all dual-wielding power swords

 
   
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pm713 wrote:
petrov27 wrote:
ha - I love it - GW cant win...
kit supplies multiple arms for different poses; GW suks we don't care about extra parts...

But if kit doesn't provide extra bits; GW and their crappy no option kits ^%$#^$^#@!

The trick is useful options. Extra backpacks is useful, extra weapons can be useful. Extra arms are not.


So you would just want different looking weapon rather than different look/pose arms as well?

Dunno. Arms in different pose seems to give more unique looking models than just alternative weapon

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
I don’t know if people are wilfully misunderstanding what I’ve said regarding the jump packs. At no point have I claimed that you can’t use all 10. At no point have I claimed that making all 10 usable is not an easy conversion. All I have done is point out that when the sprue pic first came online, a few people were claiming that you got 10 complete jump packs and that this simply isn’t true.

That’s it.

Now I’m done with this.

I’m done done with all the , yes but ... answers

I’m done.


Poor dude - nah, I understood your intentions, and the others really seem to only want to say that the backpacks are still going to be useable... Thanks for the insight, for myself and others who have gained from it.

   
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Well, at least we can all have fun assembling our new Sisters during this strange time. They might have taken a while to appear, but it seems the last batch of the new range arrived just in time before lockdowns started coming into full effect.

Now I just need to go back through all the Sisters I already asembled, because I really want to swap out parts with the great new heads/helmets and other accessories.

Zephyrim helmets in particular make for GREAT Celestian helmets, they look far more unique and easy to identify than the official Celestian helms!

 
   
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tneva82 wrote:
pm713 wrote:
petrov27 wrote:
ha - I love it - GW cant win...
kit supplies multiple arms for different poses; GW suks we don't care about extra parts...

But if kit doesn't provide extra bits; GW and their crappy no option kits ^%$#^$^#@!

The trick is useful options. Extra backpacks is useful, extra weapons can be useful. Extra arms are not.


So you would just want different looking weapon rather than different look/pose arms as well?

Dunno. Arms in different pose seems to give more unique looking models than just alternative weapon

I'll admit in hindsight arms was not a good example of useless extra kit parts. Feet maybe? I don't know, some people make anything useful.

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 Casbyness wrote:
Two off-handed swords per Seraphim box. So you need 3 boxes if you want a fun squad of 5 Zephyrim all dual-wielding power swords


I'd probably just make that the leader model, but on the bright side, you're also getting a 10 man inferno pistol Seraphim unit. If you take 30 Seraphim and 15 Zephyrim you've got swords to spare.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:
Two off-handed swords per Seraphim box. So you need 3 boxes if you want a fun squad of 5 Zephyrim all dual-wielding power swords


I'd probably just make that the leader model, but on the bright side, you're also getting a 10 man inferno pistol Seraphim unit. If you take 30 Seraphim and 15 Zephyrim you've got swords to spare.


Funny you mention that, I was just re-reading the equipment options for the Superior to see if I could legally get away with two swords. I think there's a weak argument for 1 power sword + 1 chainsword (each traded for 1 bolt pistol), but the wording is actually pretty clear so not really

Also tempted to use one of the dying Sisters from the Hospitaller as a carried casualty for a Seraphim.

Plus there's just no way I'm not converting the new Canoness so she can wield the brazier atop one of those Zephyrim pennants. Might even use two on an Anchorite, in place of the braziers.

 
   
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Nice, very cool pose!!

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