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A Fearmongering Anti-RPG Comic Gets the Film Adaptation It Deserves
BY RACHEL EDIDIN 05.20.14 | 6:30 AM | PERMALINK
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If you’re not familiar with Jack Chick, it’s hard to adequately grasp the reach of the evangelical cartoonist’s work: If the figures on his website are accurate, he’s the world’s most widely published cartoonist, with 750 million minicomics sold in dozens of languages. “Chick Tracts,” as they’re known, span evangelical hot topics from the End Times to the dangers of Catholicism, but perhaps none is as dearly loved (albeit ironically) as the anti-roleplaying screed Dark Dungeons.

Dark Dungeons first saw print in 1984, amid a sea of Dungeons & Dragons scare media. Novels and movies like Mazes & Monsters warned that gaming was a one-way route to psychotic breaks and steam-tunnel suicides; Dark Dungeons went a step further, claiming table-top role-playing games were gateways to demon summoning and dark magic.

In the 30 years since, the 22-panel tract has become a cult classic among gamers—a Reefer Madness for the dice-and-pencils set. (In high school, a friend of mine printed up T-shirts that read “I don’t want to be Debbie any more. I want to be Elfstar!” an inversion of the comic’s climactic scene.) And now, it’s getting an official, licensed film adaptation.

From the Lottery to the License
Chick is notoriously reclusive. He’s never granted an official interview (true to form, his office never responded to our requests for comment), and there are fewer than a half-dozen photographs of him in circulation. Until now, there’s never been a licensed adaptation of his tracts, although a handful of filmmakers have produced unofficial animated and live versions—most notably 2007′s Hot Chicks, a compilation of tract adaptations from independent filmmakers.

JR Ralls, the man behind the Dark Dungeons movie, is much easier to get in touch with: He meets me in a coffee shop in Portland to talk about the film’s improbable history. “Making this movie has been a dream come true,” Ralls tells me. An aspiring teenage filmmaker, he ended up bypassing film school for “a much more practical master’s degree in history.” Now, he works in Internet sales.

In 2013, Ralls won $1,000 in the Oregon lottery. “I was a middle-class middle manager, and while $1,000 is nice—do not get me wrong— it wasn’t going to change my life,” he says. “So I started thinking: What is something I can do with $1,000 that is going to be awesome? And I remembered that, back in college, I’d come across a comic called Dark Dungeons.”




Ralls had hoped to make a film of the comic in college, but the project never came together. This time would be different. Armed with his winnings, Ralls wrote to Chick, asking to buy the rights to Dark Dungeons. “Dear Mr. Chick,” he wrote, “I won the lottery … I have decided that the best use of the money I won would be to film and distribute a live-action version of your tract ‘Dark Dungeons.’” To Ralls’ surprise, Chick responded—and offered the rights for free.

Ralls was ready to move forward on the project. The problem: He was a novice filmmaker, with a working budget of $1,000. So he turned to Kickstarter.

“I didn’t really know much about crowdfunding, so I researched how best to run a Kickstarter,” Ralls says. “But my general rule is ‘until you’re an expert, do what the experts tell you to do,’ so I did every last thing they said you should do when you start a Kickstarter campaign.” Ralls ended up raising over twice his initial goal of $12,500.

A poster for ZOE's Journey Quest.
A poster for ZOE’s Journey Quest.

The campaign caught the eye of a handful of production companies. One of them, Seattle-based Zombie Orpheus Entertainment, especially impressed Ralls. ZOE is best known for Journey Quest, a fantasy web series raising funding for its third season, and for its association with the Gamers movies, an indie trilogy (so far) of affectionate satires of tabletop gaming and the culture around it.

“They had produced a number of films that look amazing when you consider their budget,” he says. “They had a distribution network that would reach the type of people who would most like to hear the story of Dark Dungeons.”

So what’s a staunchly pro-gaming company like ZOE—one populated and run by die-hard gamers, with professional ties to multiple tabletop publishers—doing producing Dark Dungeons? Playing it straight, it would appear. ZOE’s goal, producer Ben Dobyns says, is to present the other side of the gaming debate as honestly as possible by staying true to the original source material and its intentions. Dobyns is an avid gamer, but emphasizes that he’s done his best to leave that bias at the door. (Ralls says he isn’t willing to discuss his ideological relationship to the subject matter, and director L. Gabriel Gonda describes himself as a “neutral third party,” with no ties to the gaming community or Chick’s evangelical base.)

Dobyns isn’t the only one involved with Dark Dungeons who has a past with RPGs. Actress Tracy Hyland—who plays Mistress Frost, the sinister dungeonmaster who seduces students Debbie and Marcie into the dark world of dice—grew up with the same cautionary tales of the dangers of table-top RPGs. “When I was a pre-teen,” Hyland says, “someone took us to a church in the city where we all learned about role-playing games and the traps that you could fall into—that games were basically a pathway to the occult.”




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From the Lottery to the License
Chick is notoriously reclusive. He’s never granted an official interview (true to form, his office never responded to our requests for comment), and there are fewer than a half-dozen photographs of him in circulation. Until now, there’s never been a licensed adaptation of his tracts, although a handful of filmmakers have produced unofficial animated and live versions—most notably 2007′s Hot Chicks, a compilation of tract adaptations from independent filmmakers.

JR Ralls, the man behind the Dark Dungeons movie, is much easier to get in touch with: He meets me in a coffee shop in Portland to talk about the film’s improbable history. “Making this movie has been a dream come true,” Ralls tells me. An aspiring teenage filmmaker, he ended up bypassing film school for “a much more practical master’s degree in history.” Now, he works in Internet sales.

In 2013, Ralls won $1,000 in the Oregon lottery. “I was a middle-class middle manager, and while $1,000 is nice—do not get me wrong— it wasn’t going to change my life,” he says. “So I started thinking: What is something I can do with $1,000 that is going to be awesome? And I remembered that, back in college, I’d come across a comic called Dark Dungeons.”

In Dark Dungeons, gaming is a serious spectator sport. Also, there's way less junk food.
Chick may think RPGs come from the devil, but his portrayal of gamers is weirdly gender-progressive, especially for 1981.

Ralls had hoped to make a film of the comic in college, but the project never came together. This time would be different. Armed with his winnings, Ralls wrote to Chick, asking to buy the rights to Dark Dungeons. “Dear Mr. Chick,” he wrote, “I won the lottery … I have decided that the best use of the money I won would be to film and distribute a live-action version of your tract ‘Dark Dungeons.’” To Ralls’ surprise, Chick responded—and offered the rights for free.

Ralls was ready to move forward on the project. The problem: He was a novice filmmaker, with a working budget of $1,000. So he turned to Kickstarter.



“I didn’t really know much about crowdfunding, so I researched how best to run a Kickstarter,” Ralls says. “But my general rule is ‘until you’re an expert, do what the experts tell you to do,’ so I did every last thing they said you should do when you start a Kickstarter campaign.” Ralls ended up raising over twice his initial goal of $12,500.

A poster for ZOE's Journey Quest.
A poster for ZOE’s Journey Quest.

The campaign caught the eye of a handful of production companies. One of them, Seattle-based Zombie Orpheus Entertainment, especially impressed Ralls. ZOE is best known for Journey Quest, a fantasy web series raising funding for its third season, and for its association with the Gamers movies, an indie trilogy (so far) of affectionate satires of tabletop gaming and the culture around it.

“They had produced a number of films that look amazing when you consider their budget,” he says. “They had a distribution network that would reach the type of people who would most like to hear the story of Dark Dungeons.”

So what’s a staunchly pro-gaming company like ZOE—one populated and run by die-hard gamers, with professional ties to multiple tabletop publishers—doing producing Dark Dungeons? Playing it straight, it would appear. ZOE’s goal, producer Ben Dobyns says, is to present the other side of the gaming debate as honestly as possible by staying true to the original source material and its intentions. Dobyns is an avid gamer, but emphasizes that he’s done his best to leave that bias at the door. (Ralls says he isn’t willing to discuss his ideological relationship to the subject matter, and director L. Gabriel Gonda describes himself as a “neutral third party,” with no ties to the gaming community or Chick’s evangelical base.)

Dobyns isn’t the only one involved with Dark Dungeons who has a past with RPGs. Actress Tracy Hyland—who plays Mistress Frost, the sinister dungeonmaster who seduces students Debbie and Marcie into the dark world of dice—grew up with the same cautionary tales of the dangers of table-top RPGs. “When I was a pre-teen,” Hyland says, “someone took us to a church in the city where we all learned about role-playing games and the traps that you could fall into—that games were basically a pathway to the occult.”

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The screenplay, not surprisingly, drew her in: “When I read it, I instantly identified with it, because I thought, ‘I know this story. I’ve heard this story before.’” Dark Dungeons, she says, has been “a really great adventure—a fun creative opportunity to go into that world [of high-stakes good-versus-evil].”

Hyland’s performance is, hands down, the highlight of the rough cut WIRED saw. She approaches the role with both remarkable sincerity and scenery-chewing relish that’s de rigeur for Chick’s larger-than-life villains. It’s a good barometer of the film as a whole: funny and campy, while still nailing the over-the-top drama of the original tract.

Roll for Accuracy
Is Dark Dungeons serious? Yes, and no. The filmmakers set out to present an on-the-nose interpretation of Chick’s perspective on gaming, and that’s exactly what they did. Save for a few gamer-friendly easter eggs for gamers and cameos by ZOE regulars, the movie is carefully faithful to Chick’s world.

The thing is, Chick’s world is insane. Gaming is a seedy, bacchanalian underworld one step short of an orgy, where players learn to cast spells alongside their characters. The movie, like the tract, ends with a book burning (“Luckily, because of our relationships with some gaming companies, we were able to get the rights to burn certain gaming books,” says Dobyns). If Ralls had set out to parody Dark Dungeons, he almost certainly would have failed, because it is made by people who believe that Cthulhu is real and coming for your soul. You can’t satirize something so far out of touch with reality.

In fact, the resulting movie is entertaining precisely because it’s not a parody. In staying true to the spirit of the original, Ralls, Gonda, and company have captured its bizarre, campy charm. And it may not have convinced me to start a bonfire with my sourcebooks—those things are expensive—but as far as Dark Dungeons: The Movie? I’m definitely a convert.

Dark Dungeons premieres in August, at GenCon; you can see the full trailer above.

Disclosure: I have a prior professional relationship with Zombie Orpheus Entertainment, as editor of Pwned: A Gamers Novel.





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Just had someone post this on facebook. Kind of sad there were (and still are) people who believed that kind of stuff

Will keep an eye out for the film though.

   
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Umm....are we sure this isnt a parody?

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Uh..... well..... Yeah OK
   
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I even called my DCUO secret base Darque Dungeon! That looks AWESOME!

They should do the same for those crazy comics where Chicks explains to us that Islam, Communism, Nazism and everything else is the work of Jesuits that are the Vatican special forces that spread evil all over the world in order to massacre true Christians (and, incidentally, Jews, for some reason ).

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I even called my DCUO secret base Darque Dungeon! That looks AWESOME!



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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Umm....are we sure this isnt a parody?




Have you read the Chick Tract? No, it's not a parody.


The film looks brilliant though!

   
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People use to hide these around a retail store i worked at. Late rin my life, people would send them to my company along with payments.

I really don't :get" the purpose of these distributed Chick Tracts? Do they expect people to read them and suddenly realize they have been living their life all wrong?

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Ugh, I grew up with a fundamentalist Christian who LOVED Chick tracts. Had the Dark Dungeons one thrown my way because I played Battletech ( ) so I am unfortunately familiar with the mindset of people who took Dark Dungeons' seriously.

That being said, I cannot wait to see this movie! Hopefully it is on Netflix soon after release so my girlfriend and I can watch, get drunk and laugh at the stupidity of it all.


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 Easy E wrote:
I really don't :get" the purpose of these distributed Chick Tracts? Do they expect people to read them and suddenly realize they have been living their life all wrong?


Yeah. That is exactly what they are going for. Catch someone in a moment of extreme personal crisis and hope you can sway them (and their wallet) to your side.

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 Easy E wrote:

I really don't :get" the purpose of these distributed Chick Tracts? Do they expect people to read them and suddenly realize they have been living their life all wrong?


Either that, or it's supposed to work like grass seed or something.

Ie. Person sees one Chick Tract, maybe they pick it up, maybe not... Pretty soon, they keep noticing them, and eventually they do pick it up, and read it. Since they've now read it, that tiny seed is now in their mind and depending on their status and mindset, that seed may grow into a full doubt, etc.
   
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 Slarg232 wrote:
What kind of college was I going to, and where can I find one that has massive tents with people shouting R-P-G?


I believe the South Harmon Institute of Technology offers classes in that field of study.
   
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 Slarg232 wrote:
What kind of college was I going to, and where can I find one that has massive tents with people shouting R-P-G?


I believe the South Harmon Institute of Technology offers classes in that field of study.


Sweet, might have to go there and sign up for that class.

Also graffiti, because who doesn't want to make (College Name) Stains.




Loved that movie.

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I dunno. I don't think they were playing it hammy enough. I would want this way more overacted.
   
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 Chongara wrote:
I dunno. I don't think they were playing it hammy enough. I would want this way more overacted.


They also probably believe In what they are making.....

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

I really don't :get" the purpose of these distributed Chick Tracts? Do they expect people to read them and suddenly realize they have been living their life all wrong?


Either that, or it's supposed to work like grass seed or something.

Ie. Person sees one Chick Tract, maybe they pick it up, maybe not... Pretty soon, they keep noticing them, and eventually they do pick it up, and read it. Since they've now read it, that tiny seed is now in their mind and depending on their status and mindset, that seed may grow into a full doubt, etc.


I think at least some of them are convinced of those materials' enormous, lifechanging power. How can they not be when you believe in the perfect rightness of your cause?

In advertising I've found that the 'true believer' client (in this case meaning products or services and not religion) can be among the worst. IMO, in order to be persuasive you have to have a clear idea of the weaknesses of and threats to what you're selling. I think Chick Tracts are almost certainly more successful in making the people distributing them feel good than in persuading those receiving them to change their beliefs.

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This looks like a great film to watch with some friends... while incredibly drunk.

Also, there needs to be a gaming store somewhere which will play this on permanent loop in the corner. I'm sure it will help them to attract new customers...

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This has gotten me really nostalgic and I went on eBay looking to buy a copy of Dark Dungeons and couldn't find one. Plenty of other Chick Tracts on there, but not this gem.

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This has gotten me really nostalgic and I went on eBay looking to buy a copy of Dark Dungeons and couldn't find one.

Print it. It is available for free on the internet, and that would be legal AFAIK.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
This has gotten me really nostalgic and I went on eBay looking to buy a copy of Dark Dungeons and couldn't find one.

Print it. It is available for free on the internet, and that would be legal AFAIK.


Not as good. The pages of the old tract booklets oozed with the contempt of the righteous! My printer is good, but it is not that good and can't possibly recreate such zeal.
   
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Also... just where are these bars that are super crowded and RPGs go on like UFC fights?? I need to go there
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What's with the dude drinking and shouting at people to R-P-G?

Also, I've never brought Red Solo Cups to my R-P-G raves.

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I was just at a 36-hour LARP event this last weekend, and it was about the furthest thing from a depraved orgy as possible. Maybe even further.

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So what’s a staunchly pro-gaming company like ZOE—one populated and run by die-hard gamers, with professional ties to multiple tabletop publishers—doing producing Dark Dungeons? Playing it straight, it would appear. ZOE’s goal, producer Ben Dobyns says, is to present the other side of the gaming debate as honestly as possible by staying true to the original source material and its intentions. Dobyns is an avid gamer, but emphasizes that he’s done his best to leave that bias at the door. (Ralls says he isn’t willing to discuss his ideological relationship to the subject matter, and director L. Gabriel Gonda describes himself as a “neutral third party,” with no ties to the gaming community or Chick’s evangelical base.)


I'm going to call BS on that. It's not like they need to change anything to make it insane (I'm not convinced it's possible to change it to make it more insane!).

Actually, come to think of it, let me retract my BS call; "presenting the other side of the gaming debate as honestly as possible" by making this film is hilarious. The entire concept is more or less blatantly pro-gaming, because it's just too absurd to take seriously.

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