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**Frazzled**

I guess they couldn't read the sign.

http://gunsnfreedom.com/nc-restaurant-posts-no-guns-sign-and-then-gets-robbed-at-gunpoint/

NC Restaurant Posts “No Guns” Sign and Then Gets Robbed at Gunpoint
May 21, 2014 by Guns 'n' Freedom 128 Comments

(Source: ABC11) Surveillance footage of “gun free zone” being robbed at gunpoint. Video below.
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Even while Michale Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups celebrate their “victory” in getting Chipotle to ban guns from their stores, a story out of Durham, NC reminds us why these so called “gun free zones” are actually doing more harm than good.

At 9pm on Sunday night the “The Pit Authentic Barbecue” in Durham was robbed at gunpoint when 3 masked men entered the restaurant through the back door.

From abc11.com,

DURHAM, N.C. (WTVD) –Police are searching for three suspects involved in an armed robbery at Durham’s newly-opened barbecue restaurant, The Pit, at 321 W. Geer Street.
Authorities said just before 9 p.m. Sunday, three men wearing hoodies entered the restaurant through the back doors with pistols, and forced several staff members to lie on the floor.

The bandits assaulted two employees during the crime, but they were not seriously injured.

Thankfully, no one was seriously hurt or injured in this incident, but it’s no thanks to a sign on the window of the restaurant that clearly states no guns are allowed.
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**MWHistorian**

LOL!
Such irony.

**-Shrike-**

Oh, boy. This thread is gonna be fun. *munches popcorn*

**Jihadin**

They get fries to go to?

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

They should have made the sign bigger so these people would have known to leave their guns at the door like polite society dictates.

**CptJake**

Knowing it was gun free for customers and employees allowed the perps the freedom to not have to shoot any potentially armed customers and employees. It made it a kinder and gentler armed robbery. Had the perps been all nervous about potentially facing armed opposition they would have been more likely to shoot folks. It also prevented poor peace loving BBQ eating customers from accidentally being capped when the Gun Nut customer pulled out his fully automatic assault revolver and shot innocents in the attempt to be Rambo.

(am I doing it right?)

**nkelsch**

I have been to that restaurant.

Durham NC has a problem right now with race and gentrification. It is being aggressively gentrified by hipsters and house prices are skyrocketing and displacing minorities. They also had a recent issue where a handcuffed latino youth was shot in the back while in police custody and the police 'claimed' he had a gun.

This particular location is a scooby doo ghost town of all abandon auto garages which was turned into really trendy high-priced restaurants, bars and clubs with food trucks outside. In an area of high minorities, there isn't a single one to be seen anywhere in this area.

So I know in this area there is a culture war and two isolated societies and race relations are very tense there, because in 2-3 years a majority of those run down houses will have new occupants and be high-end flipped trendy houses.

Edit:
Here is the article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/handcuffed-teen-shot-custody-police-article-1.1576324

They almost had 'burn down the city' riots over this.

**Slarg232**

"But when an armed gunman sees that no one else is armed, they will put down their gun, it's just human nature!"

**Frazzled**

nkelsch wrote:
I have been to that restaurant.

Durham NC has a problem right now with race and gentrification. It is being aggressively gentrified by hipsters and house prices are skyrocketing and displacing minorities. They also had a recent issue where a handcuffed latino youth was shot in the back while in police custody and the police 'claimed' he had a gun.

This particular location is a scooby doo ghost town of all abandon auto garages which was turned into really trendy high-priced restaurants, bars and clubs with food trucks outside. In an area of high minorities, there isn't a single one to be seen anywhere in this area.

So I know in this area there is a culture war and two isolated societies and race relations are very tense there, because in 2-3 years a majority of those run down houses will have new occupants and be high-end flipped trendy houses.

Edit:
Here is the article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/handcuffed-teen-shot-custody-police-article-1.1576324

They almost had 'burn down the city' riots over this.

Trying to figure out what your post has to do with this thread. Did you just excuse the robbers or the stupidity of the barbeque owner?

EDIT: for the record Texas barbeque rules, NC barbeque drools!

**Ahtman**

Frazzled wrote:
Trying to figure out what your post has to do with this thread. Did you just excuse the robbers or the stupidity of the barbeque owner?

Trying to figure out why you can't figure out why a first hand account of the situation on the ground about the place listed in thread you started is relevant. Also trying to figure out how you got from "situation is not good there" to "you are making excuses for their actions".

**Slarg232**

You know how we solve this problem?

Crossbows. Crossbows aren't guns, can be pre-loaded, and can pierce through a quite a bit of (Non-Military) armor.

And they are intimidating as feth.

**SilverMK2**

Seems to be a lot of back slapping over blaming the victim going on in this thread.

I look forward to someone posting a link to an article suggesting a rape victim was "totally asking for it" because they were not open carrying a firearm...

**Kanluwen**

Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Trying to figure out what your post has to do with this thread. Did you just excuse the robbers or the stupidity of the barbeque owner?

Trying to figure out why you can't figure out why a first hand account of the situation on the ground about the place listed in thread you started is relevant. Also trying to figure out how you got from "situation is not good there" to "you are making excuses for their actions".

It's Frazzled...

Anyways, Nkelsch is correct.

Durham right now is having a lot of issues, and as mentioned in the initial article there have been a string of robberies targeting restaurants. The most visible one was "The Pit" barbeque. What is interesting is that whoever these robbers are, when they robbed "The Pit" they allowed the employees to ask the customers who were present to leave.

Right now "The Pit" has a $2000 reward for any information that leads to their arrest and conviction.

**Frazzled**

Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Trying to figure out what your post has to do with this thread. Did you just excuse the robbers or the stupidity of the barbeque owner?

Trying to figure out why you can't figure out why a first hand account of the situation on the ground about the place listed in thread you started is relevant. Also trying to figure out how you got from "situation is not good there" to "you are making excuses for their actions".

Still trying to figure out how that relates.

**MWHistorian**

SilverMK2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot of back slapping over blaming the victim going on in this thread.

I look forward to someone posting a link to an article suggesting a rape victim was "totally asking for it" because they were not open carrying a firearm...

No, in this case it would be like someone who says rape victims deserve it, and then gets rapped.

**Desubot**

There is an NRA member somewhere that just got his wings.

I think i need a tetanus shot from all this iron y

**Johnnytorrance**

SilverMK2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot of back slapping over blaming the victim going on in this thread.

I look forward to someone posting a link to an article suggesting a rape victim was "totally asking for it" because they were not open carrying a firearm...

Obviously victim blaming is wrong, but in America there are voices of opposition to concealed carry and anti-gun rules. The reason this is ironic, is that the anti gun people proclaim that these laws and rules they make. For example they feel safer about putting a sign up, telling good semeritans that have a legal right to carry concealed weapons that they aren't allowed to bring their legal firearms to their restaurant. The owner is implying in his liberal thought that, this sign will prevent gun crimes, when in fact, it advertises to criminals that the establishment is a gun free zone and most likey an easy score.

I would never blame a rape victim for being raped, but it's still probably not a good idea for a women to walk down a dark alley drunk and naked.

**Ahtman**

What is important to remember is that no violent crime has ever happened in a place where there are firearms.

**TheCustomLime**

However, it seems that going by the situation the area is going through that this robbery is the result of tension between the middle/upper class and the lower class. It's just that Pro-Gun groups made this a gun control issue.

**CptJake**

TheCustomLime wrote:
However, it seems that going by the situation the area is going through that this robbery is the result of tension between the middle/upper class and the lower class. It's just that Pro-Gun groups made this a gun control issue.

You could equally argue the guy who put up the No Guns sign made it a gun control issue. In fact, if that was not an issue important to him, the Pro-Gun groups would not be involved at all.

**SilverMK2**

Johnnytorrance wrote:
The reason this is ironic, is that the anti gun people proclaim that these laws and rules they make. For example they feel safer about putting a sign up, telling good semeritans that have a legal right to carry concealed weapons that they aren't allowed to bring their legal firearms to their restaurant. The owner is implying in his liberal thought that, this sign will prevent gun crimes, when in fact, it advertises to criminals that the establishment is a gun free zone and most likey an easy score.

Ooor you are making gak up and the owner put up a sign to say that patrons can dine in a gun free environment. You know, without the insane belief that a sign somehow magically protects you from all harm... you know, like a gun does...

I would never blame a rape victim for being raped, but it's still probably not a good idea for a women to walk down a dark alley drunk and naked.

So... you would blame a rape victim if they did that and were subsequently raped?... so you would blame a rape victim. I see.

**Ahtman**

TheCustomLime wrote:
It's just that Pro-Gun groups made this a gun control issue.

Perish the thought.

**sing your life**

Why would you want bring guns into a restaurant anyway?

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

SilverMK2 wrote:
Seems to be a lot of back slapping over blaming the victim going on in this thread..

Where did this notion that a victim can do no wrong come from? If someone tries to cross a street at 1am with all dark clothing on without looking both ways and gets hit is it really bad to look at that and say "Maybe he shouldn't have done those things that resulted in the accident he was a victim of"

**CptJake**

sing your life wrote:
Why would you want bring guns into a restaurant anyway?

Ask Suzanna Hupp.

**TheCustomLime**

CptJake wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
However, it seems that going by the situation the area is going through that this robbery is the result of tension between the middle/upper class and the lower class. It's just that Pro-Gun groups made this a gun control issue.

You could equally argue the guy who put up the No Guns sign made it a gun control issue. In fact, if that was not an issue important to him, the Pro-Gun groups would not be involved at all.

That is true. A common argument for pro-gun legislation is that when you take the guns away from the people the criminals thrive. It would be only natural for pro-gun groups to spin an incident like this to add weight to their assertions.

This isn't a knock on these groups, though. I believe Anti-gun groups are guilty of putting a spin on their reports of incidents to further their aims as well.

**Gentleman_Jellyfish**

sing your life wrote:
Why would you want bring guns into a restaurant anyway?

For the same reason someone would CC a gun in a grocery store or in their car. As this article points out, restaurants aren't exempt from crime.

**Ouze**

There are in excess of 350,000 robberies per year in this country. As private no-guns-allowed signs are fairly uncommon, I posit to you that statistically, a great majority of these robberies occurred in locations where firearms were allowed on the premises. As such, the thrust of this post is sort of flawed on it's face.

I hold that business owners have the right to decide whether or not they allow firearms on their property, and that allowing guns isn't some kind of magic goddamn charm that prevents all crime, and that forbidding them doesn't magically invite crime, either. Should we have a thread for every robbery that occurs when firearms are allowed? 958 posts a day with the same title: "Good guys with guns fail to stop bad guys with guns"?

**SilverMK2**

sing your life wrote:
Why would you want bring guns into a restaurant anyway?

Because guns are implements with many uses other than killing things.

**Ouze**

There was a picture of some guys at Chipotle that were having burritos with their AR-15s at the table, which prompted the Chipotle firearm ban (mealy mouthed as it was). Seeing this picture made me sort of groan, and think - what attention-whoring a-holes.