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So with the upgrade of Challenge wounds bleeding over to the squad.

She has an huge amount of attacks. 9-10 on average. all AP2 basically. Init 9 always goes first baring some strange ability.

Yes STR 3 sucks means usually 5 or 6 to wound which can be off set by Doom.

Cool model....which is always super important.

So is Lelith worth taking??

Thanks Dakka

She's ...ok..

Depends on who you are fighting. Fun for beating down Eldar/Tau etc.

Less effective against T4 like marines, but still ok-ish

Not so good against Daemons/Nids as a whole, at least for me..

if only they would have given her poison daggers 4+.


But that would make wraithknight users cry.

Eihnlazer wrote:
if only they would have given her poison daggers 4+.


But that would make wraithknight users cry.

Considering Wraithknights weren't even invented when 5th edition Dark Eldar Dropped, I doubt they had that in mind.

In the Legion of the Damned supplement they included a special scenario which included Lelith that have her 2+ Poison attacks. I have a feeling they wanted her to seem brutal in the battle report, but using her real rules they saw how bad she was, so they gave her poison so that the Legion of the Damned looked even better when they arrived to save the day with their invul save.

As for if she is worth taking...well. I have used her for fun sometimes and found her to be surprisingly effective in a Grotesque unit due to majority toughness and she granted them her INSANE Initiative for sweeping advance while she gave them someone who can get through armour. They also gave her a Pain Token, Then i added a Haemonculi so she had furious charge off the bat. She kicked ass that game. Tried it next game, Raider got shot down first turn and a Nova Charged Ion Cannon which Ignored Cover practically deleted the unit instantly :(

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
In the Legion of the Damned supplement they included a special scenario which included Lelith that have her 2+ Poison attacks. I have a feeling they wanted her to seem brutal in the battle report, but using her real rules they saw how bad she was, so they gave her poison so that the Legion of the Damned looked even better when they arrived to save the day with their invul save.

:(

Not tried her recently but really should again Like the idea of Grotesques with her

Also interested in what the stroy is behind Lelith and the Lofthe D - did she survive in the fluff?

She works best if you have Eldar Iyanden allies as you can buff your WS / I and S and drop theirs giving her a monsterous amount of attacks on the charge and S5 with Furious Charge.

On her own in a unit of Wyches or something she is a bit lacking, the S3 really doesnt help her much.

Lelith has died multiple times in the fluff.

She just keeps getting regrown by a Haemonculus that owes her his soul.

Eihnlazer wrote:
Lelith has died multiple times in the fluff.

She just keeps getting regrown by a Haemonculus that owes her his soul.

Where exactly has she died? I thought one of her selling points was 'not a scare on her' and since she has won every arena fight, were in the fluff has she died? I am genuinely curious.

Iirc she's been killed in the Salamanders trilogy. Dunno where else.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Iirc she's been killed in the Salamanders trilogy. Dunno where else.

Thats not Lelith - thats Helspereth

Shingen wrote:
She works best if you have Eldar Iyanden allies as you can buff your WS / I and S and drop theirs giving her a monsterous amount of attacks on the charge and S5 with Furious Charge.

On her own in a unit of Wyches or something she is a bit lacking, the S3 really doesnt help her much.

One other option is to take her with Jain'Zar, Jain makes all enemies in the combat -WS & Init giving Lelith most likely a monstrous 14 attacks on the charge. Just make sure you have a Farseer there to Prescience the squad so you can reroll misses. Doom helps as well. Basically any unit Jain and Lelith charge is dead.

I'd suggest throwing them with some Harlequins to help them live a bit longer.

My girlfriend plays her for an HQ and I hate her. If Lelith gets into one of my CSM squads then they are gone, gone, dead, caput. Attach her to a Wych and they protect (that dodge!).

Eihnlazer wrote:
if only they would have given her poison daggers 4+.


But that would make wraithknight users cry.

Note to self talk to a haemonculi about adding that little upgrade next time we get the codex in the regen tanks

Shingen wrote:

Shingen wrote:
She works best if you have Eldar Iyanden allies as you can buff your WS / I and S and drop theirs giving her a monsterous amount of attacks on the charge and S5 with Furious Charge.

On her own in a unit of Wyches or something she is a bit lacking, the S3 really doesnt help her much.

One other option is to take her with Jain'Zar, Jain makes all enemies in the combat -WS & Init giving Lelith most likely a monstrous 14 attacks on the charge. Just make sure you have a Farseer there to Prescience the squad so you can reroll misses. Doom helps as well. Basically any unit Jain and Lelith charge is dead.

I'd suggest throwing them with some Harlequins to help them live a bit longer.

Oh dear god that sounds brutal. now what would be the prefered method of getting them there? Venom? Raider? Forgeworld? Hell, maybe in the Dias with Vect for some lulz? Also, what unit would they run with?

Hmm, lilith, jain, farseer running around in a raider with harlequins, veil of tears FTW.

 Arbiter wrote:
Hmm, lilith, jain, farseer running around in a raider with harlequins, veil of tears FTW.

Oh the eldar shenanigans need to paint and build more.

i still wanna try banshee in a raider with a PGL...-stares at the dust ion her banshees-

 Arbiter wrote:
Hmm, lilith, jain, farseer running around in a raider with harlequins, veil of tears FTW.

Thinking of giving this a go. Running a converted wych or succubus model as a counts as jain Zarr for aesthetic reasons. Just a Shane it will stop DE being the primary detachment.

Fantome wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:
Hmm, lilith, jain, farseer running around in a raider with harlequins, veil of tears FTW.

Thinking of giving this a go. Running a converted wych or succubus model as a counts as jain Zarr for aesthetic reasons. Just a Shane it will stop DE being the primary detachment.

It wont. If you run two troops choices with Jain and the Farseer, they can be ran as a second Combined Arms Detachment (CAD). The Dark Eldar can still be your primary CAD in this way.

Over 150 pts for a S3 T3 character that provides no army or squad buffs, any debuffs, and no ranged attacks?

She's an awesome model but, HELLZ NO!

 RancidHate wrote:
no ranged attacks?

she can throw a plasma grenade, at what BS 8-9. It use to ignore armor saves, dont know why they took that away.

...oops... ok - A - ranged attack. My answer is still ... HELLZ NO! :p

 extremefreak17 wrote:

Fantome wrote:

 Arbiter wrote:
Hmm, lilith, jain, farseer running around in a raider with harlequins, veil of tears FTW.

Thinking of giving this a go. Running a converted wych or succubus model as a counts as jain Zarr for aesthetic reasons. Just a Shane it will stop DE being the primary detachment.

It wont. If you run two troops choices with Jain and the Farseer, they can be ran as a second Combined Arms Detachment (CAD). The Dark Eldar can still be your primary CAD in this way.

Things just got interesting.

 Arbiter wrote:
Hmm, lilith, jain, farseer running around in a raider with harlequins, veil of tears FTW.

Veil of Tears can't be used inside a transport.

Also, it blows.

She's pretty awesome if you can stick her into combat. She'll eat though entire FOC selections by herself in most cases.

She's great in a Grot Star, also Eldar have some strong options that work with her pretty well, as has been previously mentioned.

Over 150 pts for a S3 T3 character that provides no army or squad buffs, any debuffs, and no ranged attacks?

When she can single handily remove 200+ point units without a scratch to her beautiful little form? Hellz yes, actually. Hellz yes.

IF you can get her there. That's the tricky part. Let's see where all the psycher shenanigans of 7th take us.

The problem is that she's at least 75 points overcosted. It's like the writers thought an invul save was the equivalent of eternal warrior.

 herpguy wrote:
The problem is that she's at least 75 points overcosted. It's like the writers thought an invul save was the equivalent of eternal warrior.

Yea shes way to easy to ID. Also finding it funny that people are finding the combo of her, jainzar, a farseer, a transport and a unit to be good. That combo had better erase anything it touches. That all costs at least ~600pts...Oh look any T6 unit in the game tar pits it lol...

I honestly hope in the next codex she is a unit upgrade for wyches and bloodbrides or maybe can accompany and archons court. I can't see her ever being worth an HQ slot even if she was 100 pts. She's too one dimensional and adds no buffs to an army outside anti infantry which we have tons of. She is a GREAT model at least.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
The problem is that she's at least 75 points overcosted. It's like the writers thought an invul save was the equivalent of eternal warrior.

Yea shes way to easy to ID. Also finding it funny that people are finding the combo of her, jainzar, a farseer, a transport and a unit to be good. That combo had better erase anything it touches. That all costs at least ~600pts...Oh look any T6 unit in the game tar pits it lol...

I honestly hope in the next codex she is a unit upgrade for wyches and bloodbrides or maybe can accompany and archons court. I can't see her ever being worth an HQ slot even if she was 100 pts. She's too one dimensional and adds no buffs to an army outside anti infantry which we have tons of. She is a GREAT model at least.

yeah I hate to agree with this :( I love her model and would love to field her (I will in my mostly friendly games group) but, I can't say she is good at anything but gimp your list.

I'm not sure if she's 75 points too expensive. Probably close to 65 or something, probably at 110 I'd consider fielding her on a lark occasionally, at 100 I might argue she's good, at 120 she'd still cost too much.

Regardless, in her current incarnation, she costs too much - she can barely kill almost anything she'd end up in a challenge with, and is only 'okay' at cutting through squads of troops.

A Succubi can saw through generic troops about as well, and costs a third what Lelith does. That kind of sums it all up for me.