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Jesus wasn't any less pacifistic than the Buddha was.

It doesn't always make a difference in the way their followers act.

tacobat i dont know what your original intention is, but you sure are enjoying trolling people around.

also in ww2 , the dominant Japanese religion ( even today ) is shinto.

thats why the army was known to be so fearless even gladly give their lives for kamikaze runs. for them , they were fighing for their god emperor.

dont forget before their defeat, most of the japanese population have never seen what their emperor looked like. the first time he was on tv signing the surrender document was the first time most of japan saw their "god emperor" and realize he was just a normal short guy.


Also, for OP, see this mess of debate it turned into?
this is exactly what will happen to your gaming if you involve religion into it prime example for you.

Last note for everyone else. All region are against violence. Just because the followers decide to go rogue, that doesnt mean its anything to do with their religion.

Dont hold some crazy guy's action against a whole religion, its ignorance like this that starts religious wars.

LunaHound wrote:
also in ww2 , the dominant Japanese religion ( even today ) is shinto.

Actually no, Shinto and Buddhism were quite co-existent during the second world war and still are today, take a walk around any rural prefecture and you'll see plenty of evidence for this. Kamakazi is much more attributable to Japanese nationalism (in the form of the revived practice of Bushido) than religion.

LunaHound wrote:tacobat i dont know what your original intention is, but you sure are enjoying trolling people around.

Tacobat didn't do anything. He was clearly confused, as i was, as to why chromedog had to write up a load of fiction trying to justify the existence of nazi, idf etc. wargaming armies as a joke.

whatwhat wrote:

Tacobat didn't do anything. He was clearly confused, as i was, as to why chromedog had to write up a load of fiction trying to justify the existence of nazi, idf etc. wargaming armies as a joke.

I guess calling people out for being liars is trolling these days bra.

Taco_bat wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
also in ww2 , the dominant Japanese religion ( even today ) is shinto.

Actually no, Shinto and Buddhism were quite co-existent during the second world war and still are today, take a walk around any rural prefecture and you'll see plenty of evidence for this. Kamakazi is much more attributable to Japanese nationalism (in the form of the revived practice of Bushido) than religion.

They were only co existing due to chinese influence. Japanese way of life, their festivals, their annual celebrations = all shinto related. buddhist related ? little to none.
Its funny you bring up walking around rural prefectures, shinto is EVERYWHERE . the problem is, you probably wouldnt realize it even when you see it.

Go ask a real Japanese they'll tell you samething i told you.

Shinto is still the CORE religion that influences the majority of japan. Just like Religion vs Theory of evolution.

ww2 army idea = Bushido ? sure maybe the commanders are , or you can call it ego pride too.
But for the 99% of the army that fought , they fought because it was for their God emperor.

All... 'regions' are against violence?

You can't possibly mean religion, so I'll remain confused. Even if it was true, there are methods of hostility other than violence.

Religious incompatability can start wars, but the fundamental factor is Group A protecting its interests against Group B, and often vice versa. The religious aspect is just a facet of either group, and even if it's the primary motivation, it's safer to call it a cultural problem than a 'religious' problem.

Space, resources and security are more prevalent triggers in conflict. Think of a religion as a cult with a dead leader. It doesn't matter where it came from, or how innocent its origins were - where it's heading now is the only point of relevance.

Hopefully it's all headed for the bin!

Down with religious States!

EDIT: BRA? What!?!

Arctik_Firangi wrote:All... 'regions' are against violence?

You can't possibly mean religion, so I'll remain confused. Even if it was true, there are methods of hostility other than violence.

Religious incompatability can start wars, but the fundamental factor is Group A protecting its interests against Group B, and often vice versa. The religious aspect is just a facet of either group, and even if it's the primary motivation, it's safer to call it a cultural problem than a 'religious' problem.

Space, resources and security are more prevalent triggers in conflict. Think of a religion as a cult with a dead leader. It doesn't matter where it came from, or how innocent its origins were - where it's heading now is the only point of relevance.

Hopefully it's all headed for the bin!

Down with A Certain Religious State!

EDIT: BRA? What!?!

What i was trying to say is . All the common religions promote peace over violence.

ugh pressed wrong button >< double post

@tacobat luckily you only made 51 posts, and it was rather easy to read them.

You cant be seriouse when you deny you are picking fights for fun.

...

LunaHound wrote:

They were only co existing due to chinese influence. Japanese way of life, their festivals, their annual celebrations = all shinto related. buddhist related ? little to none.
Its funny you bring up walking around rural prefectures, shinto is EVERYWHERE . the problem is, you probably wouldnt realize it even when you see it.

Go ask a real Japanese they'll tell you samething i told you.

What, like all those Japanese people I lived and worked with when I was over there?

I saw plenty of shinto, I also saw plenty of Buddhist temples right next to them, the two religions are co-existent. There wasn't alot of 'Chinese influence' during ww2 and Buddhism was still prevelent.

LunaHound wrote:
Shinto is still the CORE religion that influences the majority of japan. Just like Religion vs Theory of evolution.

what the hell are you talking about, Shinto and Buddhism are effectively integrated with one another, the majority of families that practice one also have iconography at least of the other displayed around their homes.

LunaHound wrote:
ww2 army idea = Bushido ? sure maybe the commanders are , or you can call it ego pride too.
But for the 99% of the army that fought , they fought because it was for their God emperor.

The emperor was another symbol of Japanese nationalism, much like numerous monarchies are symbols of their countries. Bushido was a huge influence on the Japanese armed forces, why do you think the majority of the men were trained in Archery as well as rifles?

I think you've incredibly over simplified the Japanese ww2 culture.

You cant be seriouse when you deny you are picking fights for fun.

Calling people on silly opinions without any personal insults is picking fights now? I thought it was just discussion.

All... 'regions' are against violence?

You can't possibly mean religion, so I'll remain confused. Even if it was true, there are methods of hostility other than violence.

Religious incompatability can start wars, but the fundamental factor is Group A protecting its interests against Group B, and often vice versa. The religious aspect is just a facet of either group, and even if it's the primary motivation, it's safer to call it a cultural problem than a 'religious' problem.

at their core ethos religions tend to be pacifistic in nature. The violence in relation to them stems from people's misinterpretations of various texts.

As you said, conflict tends to originate from what essentially amounts to advanced tribalism, religion is just one of the many conduits it can travel through along with Nationalism, racism etc.

News flash, chinese influenced Buddhism was WAYYYYY
before ww2 started.

Integrated? lmao like i said, just because they co exist that doesnt make it any different then us *integrating in your words* about how we believe in evolution + our religion.

the 99% of japanese army would cut your head off if you ever bring up the " emperor was symbol of nationalism " during ww2. Back then most of the population was still dependant on farming and fishing, none of this tech stuff. I over simplify? nope but its simplified because thats what the rural japanese population believed in back in WW2.

You went to Japan? guess what, my grandparents GREW UP in Japan during the war .

Also this will be my last post about this nonesense argument in this thread. If you want to look for additional entertainment, do so in private message.

I have no intention of been a part of the mess that dirtied this thread.

LunaHound wrote:I have no intention of been a part of the mess that dirtied this thread.

yeah ya dooo

LunaHound wrote: News flash, chinese influenced Buddhism was WAYYYYY
before ww2 started.

News flash - China had very little influence on Japanese culture for numerous reasons such as racism, isolationism etc. It was the West that was the primary influence in Japanese culture in the 20th century.

LunaHound wrote: the 99% of japanese army would cut your head off if you ever bring up the " emperor was symbol of nationalism " during ww2. Back then most of the population was still dependant on farming and fishing, none of this tech stuff. I over simplify? nope but its simplified because thats what the rural japanese population believed in back in WW2.

Just like 99% of the Germans were hardcore Nazis rite bra?

You clearly have very little idea of how nationalism works, I would suggest studying some politics.

LunaHound wrote:
You went to Japan? guess what, my grandparents GREW UP in Japan during the war .
.

MY JAPANESE HERITAGE

And I have grandparents from America who fought in dubya dubya 2, I don't try to simplify the national themes and issues in the US at the time into silly rhetoric.

Taco_bat wrote:

LunaHound wrote: News flash, chinese influenced Buddhism was WAYYYYY
before ww2 started.

News flash - China had very little influence on Japanese culture for numerous reasons such as racism, isolationism etc. It was the West that was the primary influence in Japanese culture in the 20th century.

LunaHound wrote: the 99% of japanese army would cut your head off if you ever bring up the " emperor was symbol of nationalism " during ww2. Back then most of the population was still dependant on farming and fishing, none of this tech stuff. I over simplify? nope but its simplified because thats what the rural japanese population believed in back in WW2.

Just like 99% of the Germans were hardcore Nazis rite bra?

You clearly have very little idea of how nationalism works, I would suggest studying some politics.

LunaHound wrote:
You went to Japan? guess what, my grandparents GREW UP in Japan during the war .
.

MY JAPANESE HERITAGE

And I have grandparents from America who fought in dubya dubya 2, I don't try to simplify the national themes and issues in the US at the time into silly rhetoric.

oh geez... i was going to stay out of this thread as i originally said... but taco_bat your facts are so off that it would be a crime to not wake you up.

I only need to bring one thing up about what you said, to show how incredibly little you know about this whole thing.

Here is a hint. pssst what do you think Kanji is ^-^v lol you are so silly i cant believe what im reading. How did you manage to
ignore that whole thing living in Japan? oh i forgot, guess it shows what i said was right " you wouldnt know even if you see it"

and i must say , you literally didnt see it.

I dunno ya know. Sometimes the spectator sees more of the game.

LunaHound wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:All... 'regions' are against violence?

You can't possibly mean religion, so I'll remain confused. Even if it was true, there are methods of hostility other than violence.

Religious incompatability can start wars, but the fundamental factor is Group A protecting its interests against Group B, and often vice versa. The religious aspect is just a facet of either group, and even if it's the primary motivation, it's safer to call it a cultural problem than a 'religious' problem.

Space, resources and security are more prevalent triggers in conflict. Think of a religion as a cult with a dead leader. It doesn't matter where it came from, or how innocent its origins were - where it's heading now is the only point of relevance.

Hopefully it's all headed for the bin!

Down with A Certain Religious State!

EDIT: BRA? What!?!

What i was trying to say is . All the common religions promote peace over violence.

What I'm tring to say is so does every cultural group, except for orks. When the peace is threatened, everyone gets a little green-skinned. Pacifists are a different animal.

That said, religion-themed SM armies are probably a suitable theme, and not an original one. The Emperor is the head of a massive cult, or religion, depending on how alive you consider him to be. But there are lots of interesting divisions and sub-cults within the Imperium; the Thorians are one of my favourites. They're based on an Inquisitor along the name of 'Thor' IIRC, who was supposed to be an avatar, or reincarnation of the Emperor of Man. It is divided further into those who believe the corpse on the throne temporarily granted Inq. Thor this power, or if Thor himself was born as the successor to the rather-dead-indeed Emperor. Adherents to the latter are seen as heretics by the majority of the Imperial cult, whereas the former interpretation is a little more tolerable.

LunaHound wrote:
oh geez... i was going to stay out of this thread as i originally said... but taco_bat your facts are so off that it would be a crime to not wake you up.

I only need to bring one thing up about what you said, to show how incredibly little you know about this whole thing.

Here is a hint. pssst what do you think Kanji is ^-^v lol you are so silly i cant believe what im reading. How did you manage to
ignore that whole thing living in Japan? oh i forgot, guess it shows what i said was right " you wouldnt know even if you see it"

and i must say , you literally didnt see it.

4 paragraphs and 0 content.

Taco_bat wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
oh geez... i was going to stay out of this thread as i originally said... but taco_bat your facts are so off that it would be a crime to not wake you up.

I only need to bring one thing up about what you said, to show how incredibly little you know about this whole thing.

Here is a hint. pssst what do you think Kanji is ^-^v lol you are so silly i cant believe what im reading. How did you manage to
ignore that whole thing living in Japan? oh i forgot, guess it shows what i said was right " you wouldnt know even if you see it"

and i must say , you literally didnt see it.

4 paragraphs and 0 content.

fail troll is fail. 0 content or you cant see?

Save yourself further embarrassment and wiki what kanji is.

You have internet, you cant feign ignorance like this. Unless
ofcourse, you are just trolling. Then it makes sense.

LunaHound wrote:
fail troll is fail. 0 content or you cant see?

Save yourself further embarrassment and wiki what kanji is.

You have internet, you cant feign ignorance like this. Unless
ofcourse, you are just trolling. Then it makes sense.

4chan is just hilarious^________________________________-


please tell me how the origin of Kanji has anything to do with the Japanese culture of the 20th century???

None of that has anything to do with the thread, Taco_bat. If you wanted to discuss this with LunaHound, PM him. Trolls are loud and obvious.

a troll posts in hopes of illiciting some kind of reaction in other people that would be funny to him, I don't find any of this amusing as much as I find it frustrating.

Taco_bat wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
fail troll is fail. 0 content or you cant see?

Save yourself further embarrassment and wiki what kanji is.

You have internet, you cant feign ignorance like this. Unless
ofcourse, you are just trolling. Then it makes sense.

4chan is just hilarious^________________________________-


please tell me how the origin of Kanji has anything to do with the Japanese culture of the 20th century???

hey , go wiki kanji and READ IT . and you 'll know why im laughing so hard at
your " News flash - China had very little influence on Japanese culture for numerous reasons such as racism, isolationism etc. It was the West that was the primary influence in Japanese culture in the 20th century. "

next hint: regarding buddhism and shinto in japan. next hint " who is the real goku * from dragon ball"

sure i can tell you directly of why your trolling fails. but i want you to learn something
informative from all this so both our time wont end up been wasted.

dont bother adding anymore trolling till you wiki the history of kanji, and then the significance of goku ( remember his name
is just a hint, i want you to realize why this hint is important to your failed trollings )

if you really read it , and understood it , then there should be nothing else comming from you.

LunaHound wrote:
hey , go wiki kanji and READ IT . and you 'll know why im laughing so hard at
your " News flash - China had very little influence on Japanese culture for numerous reasons such as racism, isolationism etc. It was the West that was the primary influence in Japanese culture in the 20th century. "

Again, how is a derivitive script formed long before the 20th century a sign of chinese influence in the 20th century?

Also the Meiji Restoration was based entirely around modernizing Japan as a reaction to Western influence, part of why Japan was able to school Russia so fully in 1905.

next hint: regarding buddhism and shinto in japan. next hint " who is the real goku * from dragon ball"

sure i can tell you directly of why your trolling fails. but i want you to learn something
informative from all this so both our time wont end up been wasted.

Thank you for your Anime reference but I am confused as to how this does anything to detract from the point that buddhism was a major part of the Japanese armed forces in WW2, or that Japanese nationalism hand in hand with Bushido and not religion was the motivator behind the Japanese belligerence of the 1930s and 40s.

Stop embrassing yourself with how little you know about your own heritage.

Taco_bat wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
hey , go wiki kanji and READ IT . and you 'll know why im laughing so hard at
your " News flash - China had very little influence on Japanese culture for numerous reasons such as racism, isolationism etc. It was the West that was the primary influence in Japanese culture in the 20th century. "

Again, how is a derivitive script formed long before the 20th century a sign of chinese influence in the 20th century?

Also the Meiji Restoration was based entirely around modernizing Japan as a reaction to Western influence, part of why Japan was able to school Russia so fully in 1905.

next hint: regarding buddhism and shinto in japan. next hint " who is the real goku * from dragon ball"

sure i can tell you directly of why your trolling fails. but i want you to learn something
informative from all this so both our time wont end up been wasted.

Thank you for your Anime reference but I am confused as to how this does anything to detract from the point that buddhism was a major part of the Japanese armed forces in WW2, or that Japanese nationalism hand in hand with Bushido and not religion was the motivator behind the Japanese belligerence of the 1930s and 40s.

Stop embrassing yourself with how little you know about your own heritage.

*facepalms. like i said... go wiki them..... read every word..... and-then-we-wont-need-this-retardedly-unbelievable-stupid-discussion.

this will really be the last time i post off topic in this post. TAKE IT TO PM if you must continue.

if not, im going to ask mod to take disciplinary actions for both of us. yes both of us , me replying to you = im also guilty of contributing to this garbage.

Yea bro, that facepalming really subtracts from you having no idea about the culture you descend from

This thread has wandered far off topic from its original intent and as such it is being locked.


Generally, political and religious discussion are almost always relegated to the off-topic forum for the simple reason that it nearly always turns into exactly this kind of thread, however this particular topic is a valid one discussing one avenue of the miniature gaming hobby.

While it is perfectly fine to correct someone's historical or religious inaccuracies, if you are truly trying to set a misconception straight you should be doing so politely not trying to demean another poster's apparent lack of knowledge of the subject. As always, politely tackle their argument without trying to rile them up personally. Including off-hand flippant comments such as "bro" at the end of a post will only ever serve to create a hostile response.

In short, please politely make your counter-point and then MOVE ON (i.e. don't post off-topic more than once in the thread if you next post isn't going to address the original topic) so as not to ruin the original topic of the thread.