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Neil wrote:One thing to keep in mind, there is a "stealth market" for Catachans, which is Necromunda players.

And previously, lost and the damned.

I remember buying 4+ boxes of catachans just to convert as mutants...

privateer4hire wrote:

bubber wrote:'
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IG Codex $25
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I know there's no promise on the prices but didn't all codex books go up to the $30 Space Marine level?

I think the SM Codex has a higher price because of its larger page-count.

bubber wrote:'
I know there's no promise on the prices but didn't all codex books go up to the $30 Space Marine level?

No that's only for the exceptionaly large codex's like the new Marine one. I expect most codexes to float around $25

stonefox wrote:Why do some of you still want plastic greatcoat IG? There's already Krieg. I have some and love 'em. It's not like the different design is enough to warrant a full plastic release.

The other Guard variants are the same. Want Tallarn IG? Sorry, metals and FW. Want near-future Halo ODST troopers? Elysians are FW. Didn't get in the initial splash release for Vostroyans? Direct order only. Same thing with greatcoat. Get 'em from FW.

GW would see a gazillion of DKoK models if theyd only sell em directly at a reasonable price.
Hell, Id buy some and Ive been staying away from the hobby for years.

While FW produces some VERY nice stuff, its just not as affordable to some here as it might be to others.

It seems like it would be totally awesome, but to me it looks like it stems out of some weird novelty factor because it's ONLY available through FW so far. Like OMGOMG CHECK OUT THOSE KRIEG OMG IF ONLY THEY WERE IN PLASTIC!!1

If GW were to get rid of Cadians as the primary IG look, everyone would have DKOK and it will seem awesome - for a while. But then these people would get bored and they'd want their near-future sci-fi guys back because everyone else has trenchcoat guard and they're just not that special-looking anymore. During that time you'd get people complaining that Cadians are direct-order only.

I really don't know how many times or ways it needs to be said for everyone to understand it...

Plastic Greatcoats does not equal Krieg.

Yes, Krieg have long coats. But so do Valhallans, Steel legion, and Vostroyans. So do the models and pictures featured in the original conception art work from Jes Goodwin.

That makes FIVE possible types of Guardsmen that wear greatcoats. How many are available in plastic? Zero. it's not some weird novelty to want them, it stems from the fact that the only greatcoat guard figs are in metal, and of those lines, the Vostroyans are missing figs to round out the series, and the others are exceptionally old and look it. An opportunity to update these with plastic would seem appropriate given that a new Codex is the perfect time to expand a miniatures range.

Steel legion don't have great coats, excepting some of the officers.

As perfect as the time may be...there have been no green sculpts seen in the US or the UK to support that in the least bit. The "Great Coat" guard have been rumored EVERY IG Release for what?...the past 5+ years easily? Since the battle for Armageddon(Steel Legion released than)people have been clamoring for them and the rumor wheel always give them a spin but, sadly, there is nothing to support that GW will release them any time soon.
Having said all that I would love to get plastic "Great coat" Guard in some form...I do not even care which one. Give me Valhallans for all I care

Janthkin wrote:Steel legion don't have great coats, excepting some of the officers.

To echo this... Vostroyans and steel legion need to be excepted from this greatcoat discussion. Those aren't greatcoats.

What we are talking about is essentially Valhallans and DKoK. DKoK have exceptional models already available if you want them bad enough, and although Valhallans could be redone in plastic, it is just as viable for GW to focus on Catachans instead. Either way they go, they'll be pissing someone off. Catachans are the path of least resistance because it will take less effort and money to produce a recut and possibly slightly resculpted set.

I'm sorry that you are disappointed about what is being released LLM.

Nope. IIRC

Space Marine Codex is £18, Chaos Daemons is £15. Dark Elves is £15.

LittleLeadMen wrote:I really don't know how many times or ways it needs to be said for everyone to understand it...

Plastic Greatcoats does not equal Krieg.

Yes, Krieg have long coats. But so do Valhallans, Steel legion, and Vostroyans. So do the models and pictures featured in the original conception art work from Jes Goodwin.

That makes FIVE possible types of Guardsmen that wear greatcoats. How many are available in plastic? Zero. it's not some weird novelty to want them, it stems from the fact that the only greatcoat guard figs are in metal, and of those lines, the Vostroyans are missing figs to round out the series, and the others are exceptionally old and look it. An opportunity to update these with plastic would seem appropriate given that a new Codex is the perfect time to expand a miniatures range.

Yes I read your earlier rant. What makes greatcoats so great that they need an "expanded" range in plastic? Oh what's that, I need to buy FW/metals to get IG with turbans and desert wear? Oh, I need to buy FW to get IG with futuristic guns, jetpacks, and armor? Oh man I love 'em so much I believe GW would be a fool to not make them in plastic b/c they'd sell so many!! Any of those IG fashion variants can also possibly be done in plastic but they're not. So suck it up and buy metal or FW to get your coveted greatcoats.

edit: btw here's something fun to do with greatcoats

Shep wrote:Also, keep in mind the possibility that with platoon wide special rules, GW may be encouraging you to buy cadians for standard platoons, and catachans to represent infiltrating platoons. Or they could be used to represent veteran platoons. Having at least two different model sets will help people who aren't interested in heavy converting/counts as to represent the unique platoon upgrades their army has.

That is a good thought. The Catachans could be intended to represent Veterans as well as the Deathworld Jungle Fighters. If the models look better than the current ones they will make great Vets. Especially if the kit comes with shotguns.

I also don't get the obsession on the internet with Greatcoat Guard. They could look amazing, but there has never been a credible rumor concerning this. Just rampant wish listing treated as fact.

GW is finishing and complementing their existing lines first, which is a good thing. If the sprues or certain parts get updated, even better. Plus these new kits will offer everyone, not just Catachan players new parts to convert and whatnot with.

The greatcoat Guard plastics are as old as the plastic Baneblade rumours. For all we know they might be a 3rd or 4th wave release around 2011 or 2012.

Come to think of it, you know what would be better than greatcoat guard and really sell a fragton?

Imperial Guard with boobs.

BrookM wrote:The greatcoat Guard plastics are as old as the plastic Baneblade rumours. For all we know they might be a 3rd or 4th wave release around 2011 or 2012.

Well maybe not that long.

Brimstone wrote:

BrookM wrote:The greatcoat Guard plastics are as old as the plastic Baneblade rumours. For all we know they might be a 3rd or 4th wave release around 2011 or 2012.

Well maybe not that long.

Who knows? Next year we might see the revamped Russ and Chimera that GW keeps showing the CAD's of on Games Days.

Personally I'd rather see Mordian/Praetorian plastics first.

I'd also like to see Mordian plastics, but I know that puts me very much in a tiny tiny minority.

I'd just like to see some concrete IG info for May. And some serious Codex leaks. How much longer before we're in the three month window?

Feb 2nd.

It can't come soon enough.

No kidding. I've been doing well with my guard so far, but have yet to get into a real fight with them where kill points were an issue. Thought I was run up on that reef once, but by turn three it was all over but the bedamned.

Plastic command squads and recut cadians and catachans make perfect sense- they let the vast majority of guard players who have armies flesh out their forces to fit the new book- and fill any new options that would be covered on such sprues... those who are all metal/resin are left in their current situation- while the 2 "main" guard forces at the moment get their range made plastic (as the current trend is for armies)

You don't like catachans? Thats your opinion, but there are enough people who do to warrent it being made in plastic, and you never know there may be improvements

Secondly... greatcoats- it wouldn't make sense to release them at the same time as new cadian/catachan stuff- if they do come they will be futher down the line when they can get their own limelight as oppose to having to share it with new cadian/catachan stuff, recut models. valkraies and the other cool stuff coming out (tis not a complete list there btw- thats week 1 of 2)

To the anti-Catachan person: Chill, you don't pay for the production so no need to whine about GW wasting resources.

Doesnt it feel like there are atleast more Witch Hunters compared to Catachans??

plastic SOBs please!

GW has launched a new plastic line of Guard infantry with each edition:
- 3E gave us plastic Catachans
- 4E gave us plastic Cadians

It is disappointing that we're not getting a new line of plastic Guard infantry for 5E.

Greatcoat Guard (i.e. plastic Krieg) would be simply awesome as *the* Wave 2 release for 5E.

They've also done a lot less for guard with each of those previous releases. I think between the highly probable plastic storm troopers and the Valkyrie that's as much if not more than the equivalent effort put into either of those releases. When I look at all the stuff IG will actually get with this edition I'm happy that they've put as much effort as they have and that what we would be getting would've been diminished if a new guard infantry box had been made.

Yeah I think they are simply trying to, finally, flush out what the current line is/will be. That is why we are getting plastic Stormtroopers, Ratling Snipers and new Ogryn. Am I wrong about the Ogryn? I don't remember right now if we are getting new models for those guys....having said that I would like to reiterate what was said earlier in the thread. New Guard book is great for IG players everywhere but if you are starting guard, get the 20 man boxes now. Since starting my IG I am now up to...

140 Plastic Cadians
Leman Russ
2 Chimera
5 Sentinels
9 heavy weapon teams
Now the only things that I might regret are the Sentinels(got em VERY cheap from some friends)...see? See what I did? Bought stuff that won't be recut/replaced If your considering guard..stock up while they are cheaper.

I might be the only one who feels this way, but I think the current Cadian line makes a perfect generic Imperial Guard line. Catachans are good for bits...

I also thoroughly love the occasional metal range. I'm not sure what greatcoat plastics would add except to cheapen the existing special lines.

It will add a new "feel" to the IG but that's about it. LIke you said...the current line makes great generic IG. catachans make great veterans(as does Necromunda gangs) and the Cadians are just fine