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Tizz wrote:When you put them up next to such monuments...they kinda loose their awe factor...

Untio you picture the transport they walked out of.

Noble713 wrote:

dirkthe1 wrote:I thought at a games day they made an imperial and chaos imperiator titan-for the siege of the emperors palace. And im sure there are pictures of it on the net. cool idea

The only diorama I know of like that features Mk.III Warlords. And, IIRC, they were frickin' huge.

http://www.sodemons.com/gwmuseum/chaostitanx.jpg

Ya, that's way too big.

thats the one-seige of the emperors palace-its a very good diorama with 2 titans and a chaos mole machine, etc ,etc.


persoanally i think they look the right size there, although they should be massively tall.

the point about the transports is a good one-im sure in the fiction thats in WD with the diorama photos it suggests the transports are collossal

2 points,

Theres no point in bitching about scale accuracies because the scale for 40k vehicles is off anyway. All of the vehicles are smaller than they should be compared to the infantry models.

The scale Dreadnote has used seems accurate when you take into account the 'all vehicles are smaller than they should be' business.


& as for the transport thing, emperors having any transport capacity at all seems a bit off to me, especially in the legs. The troops would be shaken about too much by the rise & fall. I initially thought 'maybe theyre strapped down, like in drop pods', but even then theyd be so shaken by the time they got to the deployment zone they'd be in no condition to fight.

What are the stats for the dreadnote? does FW make 'em?

Some say it was the greatest model ever cast. Fully posable and highly detailed down to the tiniest scale, it took 9 months to assemble and paint. Unfortunately only one was ever made.

The stats it's maker intended for it are however several orders of magnitude higher than those it is possible to represent in warhammer 40k. Even if you were to water them down, using The Dreadnote in a game would be tantamount to an "I WIN" button.

The Dreadnote wrote:
This is, of course, only a rough guide, but I hope it might prove useful, or at least interesting.
For titans compared to real-life buildings, see this post.

Hi, very interesting work, I think your are in right way.

I’m currently working on epic class vehicle (take baneblade,reaver and warhound epic/40k as reference), but I have much hesitation concerning the issue of scale conversion. I found the old rule-of-thumb used by the former US Forgeworld team (Tim Dupertuis and Mike Biasi). They applied a multiplicative factor of 5.25 ; although this would result, now, in a slight decrease in scale compared to the current forgeworld . My idea was using the current GW Baneblade (reaver and warhound too) as a reference for calculate new factor.

That would give me a factor of roughly 6.75 : thus the big Epic vehicle would be of very playable size.

for example the warlord with this factor must be 22" (more or less 1" according to the way of measuring)


But I think must take more comparison of vehicle for have the "perfect" factor.

I think you'd find it quite difficult to find a "perfect" factor; as has been discussed here, scale is used somewhat inconsistantly by GW. Still, I wish you the best of luck with your project!

Hi all.

With regards to cover art and awe factor and 'fluff' titans should be as big and impossibly impressive as possible. However, for a game of 40K I think those scales are pretty acurate and are very similar to what I came up with myself, working from epic, forgeworld and various other sources. I came up with the simple formula that each titan is two thirds the height of the next one up. This even fits in with battleknights - mine and from what I have seen, many of those made by others are about 2/3rds the hieght of Forgeworlds warhounds. Some pictures are off but bear in mind bent legs etc. It works fine with titans in a stationary position, not a walk.

The Dreadnote wrote:Size comparison round 2 - Titans versus The World



Building images courtesy of Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions, the most awesome site I know of for anyone interested in the relative sizes of spaceships (and who isn't?).

Most point to this and say it looses the "awe". I personally think it makes these things seem that much more believable.

Myth busted.

Hmmm King Kong is about the size of a Warhound... interesting.

Godzilla is between one and two Imperator Titans tall... that really makes those Bio-titans seem dinky.

The bio-titans are the smaller breeds though. I hadn't considered king-kong but I guess that's about right too!

What myth will you break next? lol

Please remember that the titan weapons were interchangeable between the 3 smaller classes of titans. A reaver could mount warhound weapons, and a warlord could mount reaver and warhound weapons. If your 40k scale warlord does not look good/appropriate with the warhound weapons from forgeworld on it, you might have the wrong scale.

After seeing the size comparison picture I can imagine Hierophants swarming over the Empire State Building like tiny insects.

hmmm. how tall in feet is the warhound titan supposed to be?

We are 1/108. (rhino's and other tanks seem to be a little less.)

I know that our 6" movement only tends to be about 30-ish meters. (quite a way, really) judged by the fact that the average pistol's average range is 160 ft. (in game.) therefore, a bolter can shoot 320 ft. and a M. Launcher a massive 640 (Sorry to OP if this is necro-posting/OT)

aka_mythos wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Size comparison round 2 - Titans versus The World



Building images courtesy of Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions, the most awesome site I know of for anyone interested in the relative sizes of spaceships (and who isn't?).

Most point to this and say it looses the "awe". I personally think it makes these things seem that much more believable.

maby, but i doubt any titan can hold a company of men inside, ie that thing would need massive gyro stabilisers just to hold the weapons on target, and massive plasma bateries to keep it running for a few SECONDS. I'm callin bs, but they are pretty damn cool, and even compared to the monuments, they are still impressive, and imagine wahat one foot could doto a crouded NY street, eeewwww

For my Imperitor, I went with the 5 foot "rule of cool" interpritations, with the epic rules of 18 SP's and 12 'shields. I also lowered it's firepower on the carapace (four baneblade cannons, one quake cannon, and a defence laser) and added lots of special rules, because, Hey! if I am going to have only one model on the board in a 6000 point game, it might as well be complicated. It is a helluva lot easier (and cheaper) to build, paint, and remember the rules for one measly titan than a massive army 'o doom.
I could post the full thing here if you want.

You lowered the firepower?! Actually, I don't recall the profile on the baneblade cannon, so you may be right.
If I ever get around to building one, mine will likely look like this (because I'll copy it): Lucius-pattern Imperator
I'll probably keep it at about 30". The towers on the epic model look rediculous if you ask me, plus there's no way you could fit a laser blaster in one...


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Captain Solon wrote:hmmm. how tall in feet is the warhound titan supposed to be?

Warhounds (according to forgeworld) are about 14 metres tall, which is 45.93 feet.

Nice size comparison

Thanks, it's nice to know this thing still gets hits!

so very useful

Captain Solon wrote:hmmm. how tall in feet is the warhound titan supposed to be?

We are 1/108. (rhino's and other tanks seem to be a little less.)

I know that our 6" movement only tends to be about 30-ish meters. (quite a way, really) judged by the fact that the average pistol's average range is 160 ft. (in game.) therefore, a bolter can shoot 320 ft. and a M. Launcher a massive 640 (Sorry to OP if this is necro-posting/OT)

Where do you get your weapon distances? Because I find it very hard to believe something like an autocannon can only have an effecive range of 213 yards. Modern .22 caliber rifles (the smallest dinkiest round known to man) has a max effective range of 150 yards.

Taking the ranges of weapons and using them to determine distance is a fool's errand. They're just gameplay abstractions - consider that if weapon ranges were accurate to fluff, laser weapons would have a theoretically infinite range.

Lasers actually do lose power the further out from the source they go, so even a lasgun wouldn't be able to put out the power to make it go on and on and on

EDIT: though I do agree with you on the point of judging weapon ranges being dumb

When they make a walking Empire State building I'll think of it as a titan. That emperor looks kinda wimpy next to the eiffel tower (how do you look wimpy next to french stuff?). They all seem like big dumb walkers better suited to Epic games from what I can see than huge toys on a 4x6 table. There's a reason epic scale exists.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

Captain Solon wrote:hmmm. how tall in feet is the warhound titan supposed to be?

We are 1/108. (rhino's and other tanks seem to be a little less.)

I know that our 6" movement only tends to be about 30-ish meters. (quite a way, really) judged by the fact that the average pistol's average range is 160 ft. (in game.) therefore, a bolter can shoot 320 ft. and a M. Launcher a massive 640 (Sorry to OP if this is necro-posting/OT)

Where do you get your weapon distances? Because I find it very hard to believe something like an autocannon can only have an effecive range of 213 yards. Modern .22 caliber rifles (the smallest dinkiest round known to man) has a max effective range of 150 yards.

they make a 17 calibur as a common size, and they also make something smaller that litterally has no powder in the casing only a primer. so 22 is far from the smallest.

keep in mind that the battlefield effective range might be different than the bench test effective range.

Also remember (back to the whole scale issue) that there is the modifier HEROIC before that nice little 28mm scale part, which, last I checked, was generally taken to mean that various parts of the whole have been scaled up/down in comparison to the overall scale in order emphasize certain parts (i.e. make it look cool)

- PPH

The Dreadnote wrote:Wrong. Assuming the scale comparison in the recent datasheet is correct (and since GW made it, it is) the imperator titan is sized correctly, relative to the warhound. And the size of the warhound is about 10".

I personally think you may be wrong, you just have to go to GD to see the ones GW make are much much bigger i.e. between 5 and 6 feet not about 3 to 4.. just a point.. i'm just a lowly painter. lol

SoO

Well going by the picture of the emperor class battle titan compared to a warhound and a gaurdsmen

We figured it was roughly 160-170 cm Tall


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So it was actually taller than a short person

now is epic scale 300?

well if you go by that the in ends up about 500 meters tall.

Which sounds about right for the largest land based war machine 40000 years from now.

This is really interesting to me. I always had a feeling that the size of titans was exagerated in a lot of the artwork. It actually makes sense to me that they would be that small in comparison to some real-world structures; they have to be capable of being blasted into space, after all!