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Well they can't be repeat offenders if they aren't breathing.

Deadshane1: I think YOU might need MY job for about a year. I'm sure your opinion would change.

Nah. If I had your job my judgment would get blurred by the real bastards and I'd just hate on everyone.
I'd be a bad fit. I'm angry enough as is.
I have respect for anyone that can handle working a scage, as long as there not there to due business or play power games.
Especially if they can keep an level head.

and I'm not talking about cuddling the real hard cases, since even with money they don't protect their community
If you bring in 7,000 or more a week at the expense of you neighbors, and you still let their kids go to a junk school with holes in thier shoes and then muscle them into working for you when they are 11...
well there are times that I'm pleased there are little patches of state-made hell
but then I'm angry, so my judgment may be clouded

*edit* see below

Frazzled wrote:Well they can't be repeat offenders if they aren't breathing.

This is one of those situations where I can't really tell if you're trolling, or just a monster.

Belphegor wrote:

Deadshane1: I think YOU might need MY job for about a year. I'm sure your opinion would change.

Nah. If I had your job my judgment would get blurred by the real bastards and I'd just hate on everyone.
I'd be a bad fit. I'm angry enough as is.
I have respect for anyone that can handle working a scage, as long as there not there to due business or play power games.
Especially if they can keep an level head.

and I'm not talking about cuddling the real hard cases, since even with money they don't protect their community
If you bring in 7,000 or more a week at the expense of you neighbors, and you still let their kids go to a junk school with holes in thier shoes and then muscle them into working for you when they are 11...
well there are times that I'm pleased their are little patches of state-made hell
but then I'm angry, so my judgment may be clouded

You misspelled "there"

Well they can't be repeat offenders if they aren't breathing

True. You know what, I don't understand why they are stopping the death penalty. It really helps I think, because there are some people that you don't want on the streets, even after a 40 year life sentence. Also, killing someone rather than letting them live off the government in prison saves taxpayer's money.

mcfly: You misspelled "there"

Thanks, my editor hasn't risen from his hung-over tomb yet.

Passing on the love: Pet Peeves

They didn't stop the death penalty. A lot of states in the USA have it.

Kilkrazy wrote:They didn't stop the death penalty. A lot of states in the USA have it.

Yeah, but they don't use it that often, and when they do, you get these stories about people that sit on death row for years.

mcfly: You know what, I don't understand why they are stopping the death penalty.

It has a record for being unfairly applied.

Well, the few cases of being used wrongly shouldn't stop something useful.

That's like the guy mentioned in the "ever seen fisticuffs over warhammer" topic who stole little kids armies being the point to make 40k go out of business. A few secluded cases shouldn't influence a system or government, except to make the system work better.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Well they can't be repeat offenders if they aren't breathing.

This is one of those situations where I can't really tell if you're trolling, or just a monster.

Shuma you're thinking 2D in a 3D world. There is a 3rd option:

In other words, Frazzled is almost always half-seriously trolling in these threads. He likes to make tough guy statements, like most of the fellas on here. No big deal.

's a very christian attitude though, all this "kill 'em!" "give 'em no food or water and make 'em work hard labour!"
(he said, sarcastically.)

Da Boss wrote:In other words, Frazzled is almost always half-seriously trolling in these threads. He likes to make tough guy statements, like most of the fellas on here. No big deal.

's a very christian attitude though, all this "kill 'em!" "give 'em no food or water and make 'em work hard labour!"
(he said, sarcastically.)

I didn't say anywhere about not giving them enough water.

Whether I'm serious or not I'll leave to myself.

Oh, okay. Sorry. All the water they can drink! Screw California!

Exactly.

Now here's a Q, how would you successfully rehabilitate a criminal, absent "if you come back we're going to whip you to death, or if we're mad, ake you watch Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman"?

It would have to be on a case by case basis, and it would more than likely have a failure rate. Retraining, education, and possibly therapy could help. I'd say there are some that aren't rehabilitatable though.

I know that a few of the people my dad caught changed their ways in prison, but they were only a few.

Frazzled wrote:No I will NOT PUT MYSELF IN THEIR POSITION. Thats the fething point.
Feth them. They are a waste of skin and a threat to my family.

All of them? Really?

That's a pretty shallow and superficial generalization. I guess it's all in the name of protecting your family, which is an admirable goal, but having so much faith in the system (believing that the criminal justice system somehow detains every single criminal that could possibly cause harm to you or your family) is not very intelligent at all. I think you know that. There are more criminals outside of prison than there are inside. Do you treat every person you meet as if they were a serial murderer? By your own rationale, maybe you should. Because you never know.

As for the point. The point was, say you somehow end up in that same situation. You get in a car accident, and kill someone. Someone breaks into your house, and you shoot them. You take self defense too far. There are numerous ways that you could become 'A worthless sack of skin', to what seems like no fault of your own. Do you think you could handle it? You might say so, but I don't think you could. Psychologically, it would change you. Trust me when I say that being locked in a small room for twenty three hours a day drives you insane. The television (and other privileges, such as buying your own food) does not come into play for months, sometimes not at all, depending on your county or state. You really don't realize what you take for granted until that happens; not at all. Would you still advocate that every prisoner be beaten? Of course you wouldn't. Hypocritical, much? Your time would also be made quite a bit harder for you, since you aren't willing to see people as people.

The point, ultimately, is that having next to nothing is punishment enough.

EDIT @ Mcfly: I would much rather be sentenced to death than spend the rest of my life in prison. Trust me, that's the easy way out.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:No I will NOT PUT MYSELF IN THEIR POSITION. Thats the fething point.
Feth them. They are a waste of skin and a threat to my family.

All of them? Really?

That's a pretty shallow and superficial generalization. I guess it's all in the name of protecting your family, which is an admirable goal, but having so much faith in the system (believing that the criminal justice system somehow detains every single criminal that could possibly cause harm to you or your family) is not very intelligent at all. I think you know that. There are more criminals outside of prison than there are inside. Do you treat every person you meet as if they were a serial murderer? By your own rationale, maybe you should. Because you never know.

1. I have no faith in the system, other than it will be incompetent and corrupt. But I can say that about most sytems.
2. I do know. Stastically I am not going to commit a crime. I don't drink and drive (DUI offenders should be executed). I am not a thief, nor an arsonist, nor a rapist.
3. Every single criminal has harmed society in some way. They will likely do it again. Therefor for the good aof society they should not be allowedf to cause further damage. A cancer cell is a cancer cell.

4. How do I treat strangers? You're close. Speak softly and carry a big stick+trust but verify. Anyone who doesn't is a fool.

Frazzled wrote:

Chrysaor686 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:No I will NOT PUT MYSELF IN THEIR POSITION. Thats the fething point.
Feth them. They are a waste of skin and a threat to my family.

All of them? Really?

That's a pretty shallow and superficial generalization. I guess it's all in the name of protecting your family, which is an admirable goal, but having so much faith in the system (believing that the criminal justice system somehow detains every single criminal that could possibly cause harm to you or your family) is not very intelligent at all. I think you know that. There are more criminals outside of prison than there are inside. Do you treat every person you meet as if they were a serial murderer? By your own rationale, maybe you should. Because you never know.

1. I have no faith in the system, other than it will be incompetent and corrupt. But I can say that about most sytems.
2. I do know. Stastically I am not going to commit a crime. I don't drink and drive (DUI offenders should be executed). I am not a thief, nor an arsonist, nor a rapist.
3. Every single criminal has harmed society in some way. They will likely do it again. Therefor for the good aof society they should not be allowedf to cause further damage. A cancer cell is a cancer cell.

4. How do I treat strangers? You're close. Speak softly and carry a big stick+trust but verify. Anyone who doesn't is a fool.

In having no faith in any system, you should know that statistics mean next to nothing.

What if someone steals from you? Burns your house down? Tries to rape you? Again, with so little faith in the criminal justice system, and judging by your hatred of criminals, I don't think you would be one to detain someone and call 911. Would vigilante justice become justifiable? Would it cease to harm society if they were brought to justice by your own hands? I get the feeling that you think so.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

In having no faith in any system, you should know that statistics mean next to nothing.

You couldn't be more wrong. 78% of statistics are completely accurate, 33.333% of the time.

What if someone steals from you? Burns your house down? Tries to rape you? Again, with so little faith in the criminal justice system, and judging by your hatred of criminals, I don't think you would be one to detain someone and call 911. Would vigilante justice become justifiable? Would it cease to harm society if they were brought to justice by your own hands? I get the feeling that you think so.

A. How does this impact my view on criminals, in jail?
B. It would still harm society regardless. The harm has been done. The reaction is the effect.

I was basically getting at: What would it take for you to become a 'worthless criminal'? To be sent to jail and lumped into the category of those that should be severely punished? Maybe I'm trying to get you to see things in a different light, that not all people deserve to be treated the same way.

Frazzled: You couldn't be more wrong. 78% of statistics are completely accurate, 33.333% of the time.

yeah, your wrong... your MADE OF WRONG!

have the proof

mcfly: Well, the few cases of being used wrongly shouldn't stop something useful.

Black men are more likely to get sentence to death than a white man for the same crime.
It's not a few cases. It's a gross majority.
It is irresponsible to sentence something as final as death unless people are tried and punished equally.

It is irresponsible to sentence something as final as life-long imprisonment unequally as well.

I was basically getting at: What would it take for you to become a 'worthless criminal'? To be sent to jail and lumped into the category of those that should be severely punished? Maybe I'm trying to get you to see things in a different light, that not all people deserve to be treated the same way.

As you yourself stated, why should anyone get preferential treatment? My proposal is absultely fair. Its blind to color, religion, wealth, creed, national background. Its the perfect solution.

Belphegor wrote:

Frazzled: You couldn't be more wrong. 78% of statistics are completely accurate, 33.333% of the time.

yeah, your wrong... your MADE OF WRONG!

have the proof

see thats so bogus. My polling says 88% are completely made up. Clearly that guy's an idiot.

mcfly: Well, the few cases of being used wrongly shouldn't stop something useful.

Black men are more likely to get sentence to death than a white man for the same crime.
It's not a few cases. It's a gross majority.
It is irresponsible to sentence something as final as death unless people are tried and punished equally.

Orkeosaurus: It is irresponsible to sentence something as final as life-long imprisonment unequally as well.

True
But a life sentence can be retracted.

That's very rare.

Death can also be retracted, as the actual execution is delayed quite a bit from the sentencing.

yeah, no pudding?
me != fan of death penalty
Death can't be retracted once someone is dead. That's the goal of the judge giving that sentence.

Rehabilitation works in the Scandinavian countries, on Scandinavian inmates. It is the whole structure of society that is different, that is why it works for them.

I'd rather be killed than go to prison for life. From what I know of prison (which is all second-hand, I will thankfully admit), I think death is probably more humane than being locked up for life. You may still be alive, but you're certainly not living.

Where I live, you can shoot someone who is endangering you as long as you don't shoot them in the back. Last christmas a pizza place was robbed and the guy demanded for everything in the safe. The owner went back to the safe and there was a loaded hand gun in there. Long story short, 1 less criminal in the world. They have great NY style pizza though.

As for the death penalty, I'm all for it. After all, how many of those who are executed complain afterwards?

mcfly wrote:Well, the few cases of being used wrongly shouldn't stop something useful.

since 1973 131 people have been released from Death Row due to proof of their innocence