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No, Khorne would be almost entirely due to the Warlust of the Orks first and foremost wouldn't it? Every race has some degree of rage, even Tau (Farsight vs Orks).
Didn't the Warp Gods exist far before humanity arose?

And by the way cheesy, are you suggesting that the deamons are fighting FOR humanity? I can imagine Tzeench thinking up something crafty like that but I don't see such foresight in the other gods.

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Emperors Faithful wrote:No, Khorne would be almost entirely due to the Warlust of the Orks first and foremost wouldn't it? Every race has some degree of rage, even Tau (Farsight vs Orks).
Didn't the Warp Gods exist far before humanity arose?

And by the way cheesy, are you suggesting that the deamons are fighting FOR humanity? I can imagine Tzeench thinking up something crafty like that but I don't see such foresight in the other gods.
HAHAAH! Yes, because we all know the Orks didn't create their own warp entities from their gestalt psychic resonance... Oh wait.

And no, they didn't exist pre humanity.

And Cheese is not Suggesting they fight for humanity at all. What he is saying that Killing Humanity would be like cutting off your own leg to cure a stubbed toe. Daemons are created, and feed on, human emotions. Kill all the humans... what happens? Daemons die out, Necrons and Tyranids Win.

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That may be true,
but is anyone but Tzeench aware of this? As I see it deamons are doing a fine job killing off humanity on thier own.

Anyway, I was just saying that deamons aren't made frome 'purely' human emotion.

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Emperors Faithful wrote:That may be true,
but is anyone but Tzeench aware of this? As I see it deamons are doing a fine job killing off humanity on thier own.

Anyway, I was just saying that deamons aren't made frome 'purely' human emotion.
Humanity has the largest "presence" in the warp reletive to their psycic ability. Not to mention Humans outnumber every other warp projecting race (except the orks who were engineered to create their own gestalt entities). As such, nearly all of the Daemons and such in "present" 40k come from Human Activity.

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Well where does it say that?
Though big, the Imperium is but a fraction of the galaxy.
(And even smaller compared to universe.) Do deamons link and appear in OTHER galaxies?

So could Luke end up versing a Bloodthirster (lol, I would love to see that)

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Emperors Faithful wrote:Well where does it say that?
Though big, the Imperium is but a fraction of the galaxy.
(And even smaller compared to universe.) Do deamons link and appear in OTHER galaxies?

So could Luke end up versing a Bloodthirster (lol, I would love to see that)

Multiple old Fluff Sources
They are the largest Empire, and have the biggest population, more than the Eldar and Tau combined, especially if you include the Billions of Slaves and stuff on EoT worlds.
Nothing suggests Daemons or even the warp extend beyond the Galaxy.

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hmmm, it is the biggest HUMAN empire, but does the 40k bible claim that the Imperium is the BIGGEST empire? Please keep in mind that most of the galaxy has been explored.

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Thats what I was trying to say, I know Humans created the Daemons and all but from there evil emotions,thus making them evil in birthright. They are created from evil thoughts an actions aren't they?

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Emperors Faithful wrote:hmmm, it is the biggest HUMAN empire, but does the 40k bible claim that the Imperium is the BIGGEST empire? Please keep in mind that most of the galaxy has been explored.
Show me a Non ork (as we have already established they do not affect the Warp outside Gork and Mork) empire that is bigger then.


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Lord Chiasson wrote:Thats what I was trying to say, I know Humans created the Daemons and all but from there evil emotions,thus making them evil in birthright. They are created from evil thoughts an actions aren't they?
No, they are created from any emotion, not just evil ones

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Oh ok my bad, all emotion


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But also I would have to say if there is no way for the matrial universe to actually kill the Chaos Gods then why do they even bother messing with it? I mean aslong as Humans and all living things are alive they are too, they only should be killing Necrons who want to end all life and thats about it. I mean the only reason there doing what there doing is to cause despair and pain so they can get there way, domination of the galaxy right?

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Humans didn't CREATE deamons. Deamons existed before humans. Waaaaaay before.

And I'm saying that the Chaos Gods are predominantly evil. You'd have to be to do the things they do...

Gwar, the eldar had a faaaaar bigger empire than the humans.

P.S. Edit: I meant to say that most of the galaxy hasN'T been explored..

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What I am saying now is that while the first Daemons came about way before Humanity or the Eldar, in "Current" 40k it is because of Humanity the forces of Chaos are getting Stronger.

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True, So could Humanity and all living things exist without the Chaos Gods?

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Lord Chiasson wrote:True, So could Humanity and all living things exist without the Chaos Gods?
Living things by there definition have an imprint in the warp. Without the warp their would be no souls and no life.

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So Tyranids have souls now? There would be life, sentient life is another matter.

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I understand that but I mean the wrap itself could still be there if the Chaos Gods were destroyed or something right? I know this is off subject but im trying to figure out if that was there reasoning behind offing The Emperor cause I mean The Emperor was looking to the survival of humanity and could have destroyed the Chaos Gods and the Warp still be there? And The Chaos Gods could only destroy the Emperor to lead Humanity into a path better suited for the Chaos Gods making them stronger, but could not destroy humanity for it was its greatest supply of its power?

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Ah, but the question is are the chaos gods even aware of this?

Tzeench might be, but the other? Porbably not...

And if the balance between the gods were broken who can say what would happen?

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Gwar! wrote:
Lord Chiasson wrote:True, So could Humanity and all living things exist without the Chaos Gods?
Living things by there definition have an imprint in the warp. Without the warp their would be no souls and no life.


So those humans with the 'Pariah gene' are not alive?

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Gwar! wrote:
Lord Chiasson wrote:True, So could Humanity and all living things exist without the Chaos Gods?
Living things by there definition have an imprint in the warp. Without the warp their would be no souls and no life.


So those humans with the 'Pariah gene' are not alive?
Nope. They Live, but are not "Alive"

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what about the rest of the universe? Do the chaos gods infulence reach everywhere else? There might be "other Gods" in another part of the universe that aren't so...chaosy

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hmmm, good point.

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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Gwar! wrote:
Lord Chiasson wrote:True, So could Humanity and all living things exist without the Chaos Gods?
Living things by there definition have an imprint in the warp. Without the warp their would be no souls and no life.


So those humans with the 'Pariah gene' are not alive?


They are said to have no souls.

Tau have no presence in the warp either. That could be because of other reasons though.....
   
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No wait, necrons DO have souls!
There was this kind of deamon pet of Abbadon, and it commented (in some White Dwarf) that until its summoning it had been feeding on necron souls. But it kind of compared it to looking hrough garbage. So necrons souls are a poor mans soul.

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The Necrons don't have souls anymore. The souls that the daemon was feeding on would be the souls of the long-dead Necrontyr.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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hmmm, but don't the necrons have those souls? They just become more and more bland and enslaved over time don't they?

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What? No... the majority of Necrons are completely soulless. Only a few retain some measure of their own minds.

Flayed Ones are flying rodent gak insane psychopaths.
Immortals kept some because they were the first Necrons.
Pariahs are half human. They still have their minds.
Necron Lords have full intelligence. One of them even has the power of speech in DoW: Soulstorm.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Cheese Elemental wrote:One of them even has the power of speech in DoW: Soulstorm.


Ever mention Soulstorm again and you get an asswhoopin

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Soulstorm is a wonderful game that I accept as fully canonical. It has the best voice acting I've ever heard in a game and is perfectly balanced.

People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. 
   
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Dreadwinter wrote:Tau have no presence in the warp either. That could be because of other reasons though.....
They just have a very minor warp presence.

They're not soulless or anything, just not as attuned to the warp as humans and eldar are.

The Emperor doesn't seem to do much for you but you sure are expected to be mutilated, suffer, and die to make him happy. And is he dead or what? If he's entombed that would mean he's dead as a doornail, right? So, how can he be happy about anything you do, or even give orders to anyone? Are you worshipping the dead now? Is that something you'd really want to do? Because it sounds freaking creepy to me.
 
   
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hmmm, THAT explains why Khorne doesn't throw flowers and give high-5's to everyone!

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