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Orkeosaurus wrote:

Dreadwinter wrote:Tau have no presence in the warp either. That could be because of other reasons though.....

They just have a very minor warp presence.

They're not soulless or anything, just not as attuned to the warp as humans and eldar are.

From the explanation I was givin, I was to understand that they are a relatively young race unattached to the Old Ones in any way, so they have yet to develop psychic abilities.

Or maybe it is the Ethereals keeping them from getting into the Warp. Never know really.

Do you think the Etherals are control-freaks or really have everyones best interests at heart?

Ethereals are mutant clones of Stalin and Mao Tse Tung that have come from the far reaches of the universe to spread communism to the galaxy.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Chaos isn't trying to destroy humanity. If humans become extinct, Chaos ceases to exist. Why do you think they fight the Tyranids and Necrons?

If all sentient life became extinct (not just humans), Chaos ceases to exist. Frankly, I don't think that chaos gives a damn whether humanity is wiped out. If all of humanity was wiped out, but orks and eldar remained there would still be chaos.


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Cheese Elemental wrote:Soulstorm is a wonderful game that I accept as fully canonical. It has the best voice acting I've ever heard in a game and is perfectly balanced.

Although the narrator sometimes has a wierd accent: "spesh Meshines"

I can't believe that this thread got to four pages without mentioning something like Malaal or one of the other discontinued/minor Chaos gods.

Whether or not you count the old lesser Chaos gods, all of the forces of Chaos are "evil" because they pursue their agendas without regard to the interests of the "good guys". A Chaos god of Justice might go around killing muderers, jaywalkers and people who talk too loud at the library because they broke a rule. a Chaos god of wealth might go out and make all of the farming peasants wealthy, and that would be great until they ran out of food because all of the farmers in the area had stopped growing food. Even the Chaos god of killing Chaos guys is a problem because his followers don't care about defending people from anything else, or whether there's any collatoral damage, like a destroyed city, during the fight.

solkan wrote:I can't believe that this thread got to four pages without mentioning something like Malaal or one of the other discontinued/minor Chaos gods

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/243437.page#766272

5th post, by me no less

Well, I have to ask, Slaneesh is the Prince/God of excess right?
So, s/he doesn't exactly include LOVE in s/his repetoire, does he?
So slaneesh is just gross, right?

Gwar! wrote:

solkan wrote:I can't believe that this thread got to four pages without mentioning something like Malaal or one of the other discontinued/minor Chaos gods

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/243437.page#766272

5th post, by me no less

Then again by me on the 20th post, reinforcing what Gwar! said.....

then again on the 7608th post. Just kidding. Anyway, where did you guys hear about these new gods?

Emperors Faithful wrote:then again on the 7608th post. Just kidding. Anyway, where did you guys hear about these new gods?

They aren't new

you know what I mean Gwar. (cheeky bugger you.)
They weren't in any codexes or rulebooks on 'other' chaos gods.

They're mentioned back in the old (2nd ed i think) Chaos dexes. Nowdays you gotta look in sites like Lexicanum and such...

All Tau are naive and evil...except Farsight, he's jamming.

okay, don't see how naive=evil.

But that is interesting. Malaal and the others...what are they gods of?

Emperors Faithful wrote:okay, don't see how naive=evil.

But that is interesting. Malaal and the others...what are they gods of?

Malal is the Anti-Chaos Chaos God

If enough people focus on one idea or emotion (e.g. compassion) will that single "thought" become "a god" in the warp?

@Gwar: So malaal is the god of order? Or is he just good?

@tigonesskay: It would be pretty hard, and impossible to really organise. I mean, billions of people praising the emperor, has that paid off? (serios question)

Emperors Faithful wrote: It would be pretty hard, and impossible to really organise. I mean, billions of people praising the emperor, has that paid off? (serios question)

not @ me but I think yes; it's held mankind together as best as might be expected

Malal is not the anti-Chaos god, he's the god of destruction. He basically wants to beat gak up, let it get fixed, and beat it up again. Even if it's Chaos.

His Chaos Space Marine followers are near the back of the previous CSM codex. They're the black and white ones called the Sons of Malice.

Manchu wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote: It would be pretty hard, and impossible to really organise. I mean, billions of people praising the emperor, has that paid off? (serios question)

not @ me but I think yes; it's held mankind together as best as might be expected

I agree with you, it has held the Imperium together, but has it really born a chaos god in the warp? A god of deliverance? Salvation?

Cheese Elemental wrote:Malal is not the anti-Chaos god, he's the god of destruction. He basically wants to beat gak up, let it get fixed, and beat it up again. Even if it's Chaos.

His Chaos Space Marine followers are near the back of the previous CSM codex. They're the black and white ones called the Sons of Malice.

Malal is the God of Chaos turned upon itself.

So pretty much the Anti-Chaos Chaos God.

Genraly from what I've read that all parts of peoples emotions go into the warp, its jsut that the negative ones are stronger and are so manafested in the four stranger chaos Gods. its genraly indicated that most of the other Gods have their own mafestations in the warp.

(Yes I know about the Shamy thing) Genraly I've always thought that the Emporer was the manafestation of of the othe friendly Warp entities. The emporer being kind of like a Demon Prince created by this entitie. Or a human posesed by one. (This Fits with the Shamy bit if you want it to, Chaos worshipers make sacrifices to summen deoms and get possed, so the shamys deaths acted in the same way.)

TheAlmightyPillock wrote:Genraly from what I've read that all parts of peoples emotions go into the warp, its jsut that the negative ones are stronger and are so manafested in the four stranger chaos Gods. its genraly indicated that most of the other Gods have their own mafestations in the warp.

(Yes I know about the Shamy thing) Genraly I've always thought that the Emporer was the manafestation of of the othe friendly Warp entities. The emporer being kind of like a Demon Prince created by this entitie. Or a human posesed by one. (This Fits with the Shamy bit if you want it to, Chaos worshipers make sacrifices to summen deoms and get possed, so the shamys deaths acted in the same way.)

If a group of fanatically God-emperor followers do the same thing like the shamans did will they repeat the same event?

Maby thats how you get Saints like that SoB one.

But generally I dont like the shamy sacrifice peace of fluff. The Xenophology one that he is a reincarnated Old one is a bit better but id proffer if the fluff jsut left it shrouded in mistory so that no ones theory are right.

O and also thats what some of the Inquisition do, a slightly radical cult beleavet hat the Emporor is a spirit and so bissy themselves by looking for the perfect host for him so that he can be reborn.

heres a weird thought. i read somewhere that the chaos gods are creations of humainitys thoughts? you know anger, lust, etc etc. surely then, if theyre manifestations of this, if everyone in humanity said "actually i DONT believe in you" and turned their backs on them, would they suddenly dissapeer in a big poof! ?

It doesn't work for Nurgle though.

*People wishing for health and healing - yes.
*People wishing for disease? er...no.

Every other chaos god is the embodiment of human emotions or desires. By all rights Nurgle should be represented by a giant Dr. McCoy, unleashing his healing minions into the warp and real space. It doesn't fit otherwise.

ghosty wrote:heres a weird thought. i read somewhere that the chaos gods are creations of humainitys thoughts? you know anger, lust, etc etc. surely then, if theyre manifestations of this, if everyone in humanity said "actually i DONT believe in you" and turned their backs on them, would they suddenly dissapeer in a big poof! ?

No, most people don't believe in them anyway.

They'd have to give up the core emotions the gods are created from.

They're made from emotions, not wishes.

Dorothy clicking her heels 3 times is not gonna stop a bloodthirster ripping her apart and feeding her to Toto.

(Also, in the deamon codex, there is a secret vualt of Tzeench that has only ever been acessed once. By a little girl and her little black dog, the Gatekeepr said she cheated the test or something to get in)

...OMG! DOROTHY IS A WARP GOD!!!!!!!

Knowing Tzeentch, I would guess cheating would be the only way to win.

Wouldn't he include cheating in his plans?

These gods would probably be considered the Old Ones, and there all dead. So there you have it.