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Tau are probably low on the list. They can still be good. Then again so can Dark Eldar.

1. Dark Eldar

2. Necrons

3. Daemonhunters / Witchhunters

4. Tyranids

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garret wrote:i think all codexes should be in pdf style. sur that will never happen because they get to much money.
but the reason why.
1. we dont have to pay for it.
2. faster updates to codexes.


You can download all of the Codices as pdf's off of torrents.

BUT THAT IS WRONG.

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Gwar! wrote:Not to mention a bit harder to take to games


Not if you write down what you need to know =P. Then if you have to show your opponent a rule just quietly grab a store book and show your opponent and put it back.

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Or its on your laptop in interactive format on your touch screen..

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jp400 wrote:Or its on your laptop in interactive format on your touch screen..


I have a Toshiba Tablet PC for a laptop, and that wouldn't be a bad idea if not for the fact that it is HERESY.

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Playing Devil's Advocate on some of the New Codex Requests

If you think about it in a strange way... Dark Eldar are one of the cheapest Armies to run. If you built a Dark Eldar army years ago... you could still virtually have the exact same army.. playable.. without any major rules changes and be just as "effective." True, some of the more upgraded armies might have a tick bit of a side boost, but you're army is still completely legal! At no point in time have you had to worry about spending more money for yet -another- codex just to keep up with legality and fair play. None of your units are suddenly bunk or rendered ineffective due to a new rule change within your own codex. , you might even have most of the points costs memorized by now!

Next is the Necrons. I'm proud of the fact that I have the exact same Codex as when i first started them... and it still counts! And for variety of units, I don't really see Necrons as being a fully customizable varied army. I see Necrons and think "We are Legion. We are Many." My Necron army consists mainly of Necron warriors and I love it for it's absolute simplicity. Sure, it's not a vast army of drastically different models and poses, but for an army of faceless soulless robots... that's kind of what I'm looking for.

So, in conclusion, keep on pumping out those Space Marine Codices because people will buy them! Space Marines are basically the most popular race within the game. Meaning, when you switch the most popular race's rules up with new codices constantly, that plugs more money into the system. More cash means more new stuff (and of course lines their pockets more, but the hope is there that seeing as they won't go out of business, they'll continue updating and advancing the game.) Have Fun!



 
   
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I would put the order like this:
1) Wolves. Ancient Codex that needs extensive FAQ to mesh with the current marines 'Dex. Hopefully will satisfy Games Dev's Marine addiction for a few months.
2) Dark Eldar. Ancient Codex, Crudy models. Like a classic car, cool, but could use some rust removal.
3) Necrons. One of the Older Codices, they could use some changes to deal with the new game.
4) Nids. Still playable, but struggle vs. Mech.
5) Tau. A lot of their rules are useless (all pertaining to target Priority).

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Im watchin this but its all about necrons and DE

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Canonness Rory wrote:Here are the codices which need updating to 5th edition, in descending order of importance:

1.) Necrons, shafted by 5th edition and need some more diversity in units!
2.) Tyranids also shafted by 5th edition, definetely need some freakin plastics.
3.) Tau. They don't have a single very good unit, even railguns are only single-shot, and meltaguns are better. Good model line though.
4.) Chaos Space Marines. They have a couple abusable units, but the rest are garbage. All the cult marines need to be equal in power, one should not shine over the other, daemon princes need to cost more, oblits need to be 0-1
5.)Inquisition. Both armies. New Models too.
6.) Eldar. Still a strong codex, needs some plastic models, autarchs and most of the fast attack section needs rebalancing.
7.) Dark Eldar. They're using what, a second edition codex? New Models too.
9. Chaos Daemons. Still a very strong army, but definitely need new models.
10. Orks, recently updated
11. Ig recently updated
100.) Codex: Different colored space marines. I admit some new models would be well recieved, but you can field your current army as vanilla SM if you're really that worried about balance. You already have 4 imperial armies, do you need 4 more (not to mention the mini-codices like Movie Marines and deathwatch kill-team)? Why don't Eldar get Codex: Ulthwe or Codex: Biel-tan, or Tau get Codex: T'au and Codex: Bork'an? Space Marines are already the most supported army with the best models and most representation, with orks a not-so-close second, why do they need 5 freakin codices?



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Because I don't want to be left out of the trolling and counter trolling...

1. Space Wolves, because it'll be fun listening to them complain about being nerfed and "Just not the same any more. "
2. Necrons, because the arguments about WBB and SA are just too annoying, and it's just too weird seeing people taking C'tan and Heavy Destroyers. >.>
3. Tyranids, because the monstrous IC rule in the rulebook needs a codex to override it explicitly, instead of just ignoring it.
4. Tau, because they're clearly not shooty enough.
5. PDF Marines (whatever their name is), because Space Marine players need to pay for their codices like the rest of us.
6. Dark Eldar, because everyone wants to see how bad their lists get without any armory options.
7. Dark Angels, because GW needs to try to get more money by making the Ravenwing and Deathwing seperate codices.
8. Black Templars, because the Rage USR is so lonely.
9. Ultramarines, because by this point, don't we need another Space Marine codex?

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@solkan: nice!

   
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Ide also like to see a CSM Update as everyone seems to hate the codex

why is that?

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abhorsen950 wrote:Ide also like to see a CSM Update as everyone seems to hate the codex

why is that?

ABH
The codex is actually the most balanced. It is just because the Old Codex was so broken, people didn't like losing it.

It is also rather Bland and Lacking the Ability to accurately represent the Chaos Legions

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I dont get why everyone is hating space marines.
there a great army. they have the most models in the entire game and the most plastic models and alot of people play them.

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garret wrote:I dont get why everyone is hating space marines.
there a great army. they have the most models in the entire game and the most plastic models and alot of people play them.


You just answered your own question.

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I dont get it though.

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well i'd say de first EXCEPT if smebody can explain the rule for the screaming jets + shooting: in the rulebook it says no model can shoot out of a transport that moved more than 6" in the movement phase, and with the sreaming jets t rhe de raiders can deepstrike but apperently count as moving over 6"...BUT its open topped...can the models shoot or not!!Coz this is the most important question for the whole codex imo ...



...nothing else matters...


 
   
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DE first. They are most in need of a complete, 100% model line overhaul.

Necrons second, because they need new stuff! Their list is so bland.

Daemonhunters/Witch-hunters third, as a combined codex. Their models are fantastic, but all metal, and it would be good to see if an inquisition army could be done just as well in plastic.

Nids... coz their codex is getting old

Tau ... coz they don't have any 'power combo unit of DOOM'.



Last, Codex: Different Coloured Marines. Why do they need something that can't be represented reasonably well with just the Vanilla list?
If they *Really* needed to be done, I'd release "Codex: Angels of Death" (BA and DA).
   
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garret wrote:I dont get it though.


Ever heard the term "front runner"? Some people sort of detest the glee with which so many people jump on the bandwagon of things that are popular...

You also have whole segments of the player population that have been burned (sometimes multiple times) by GW when whole armies and ranges are dropped (I still can't sit straight from when LATD and genestealer cult went bye bye). You also have people like DE players who have been sidelined and neglected while the stuff for SM just keeps getting pumped out one shiny new toy after the other...

What it boils down to is:

The popular kids in school always revel in their own coolness, and those that have been marginalized revel in detesting those cool kids...


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I guess I should start with my list.

1-DE Almost as old as Necrons, and have more issues. Well duh, they're emo elves.
2-Necrons Older than anyone but SW, and sorta limited. I should know (more on this later)
3-SW The HQ every 750 points is annoying, and they -are- the oldest non-updated.
4-Tyranids
5-Anything else past that.

That being said, our lil gaming group just had a tourney. My buddy playing DE came in first, I came in second with my necrons, leaving behind.. GK, IG (with old codex though, we had started before the release), Orks and an Armoured Company list. So it does show that even lists in need of an update can do decent, depending on the players.
   
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All space Marine codex should be stopped in place without anymore work on them until all other codex are updated. Period.

We have one Codex still on Version 2 and several others just as bad. I would remind Game Workshop that the writers get paid by you. If they have some problem updating other Codex just let them go. Other wise you get crap like the below.

Allied Daemonhunters and Allied Witch Hunters are NOT ALLOWED in other armies.
This from a major tourney conning up in Texas in August. The reason?
We had too many strong Imperial armies and wanted to give the poor traitors and xenos a more level playing field. After spending some time working armies we determined that IG + Inquisition Armies would be the de facto best choice if allowed (Furious Charge on Grey Knight Terminators, Mystics + Demolisher Squadrons, Scouting Penitent Engines, the list goes on) and have too many locals who could field that sort of army. Our rules allow very strong Inquisitorial armies to be built, but limit the madness to some degree.


The madness apparently coming from old WH and DH codex matched with newer other codex.

Message to Game Workshops. Update ALL Codex to same edition or come down hard on those who use codex edition differences to ban certain rules. Like not attending those tourneys that do so and withdrawing support for them.

Make a choice.




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1) Dark Eldar - old needs to be brought into line with current codexes
2) Space Wolves - old needs to be brought into line with current codexes but still very playable
3) Inquisition - combine all into one codex
4) Necrons - still good but need work
5) Tau - 5th edition needs slight rework
6) Blood Angels - they just got messed over with that WD codex thing

Everybody else still has a playable army. At this point I would rather see a new race.

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NeedleOfInquiry wrote:The madness apparently coming from old WH and DH codex matched with newer other codex.

Nice. IG move to top tier, so naturally, the CSM and Ork players say "NO"...


   
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garret wrote:I dont get it though.


Ever heard the term "front runner"? Some people sort of detest the glee with which so many people jump on the bandwagon of things that are popular...

You also have whole segments of the player population that have been burned (sometimes multiple times) by GW when whole armies and ranges are dropped (I still can't sit straight from when LATD and genestealer cult went bye bye). You also have people like DE players who have been sidelined and neglected while the stuff for SM just keeps getting pumped out one shiny new toy after the other...

What it boils down to is:

The popular kids in school always revel in their own coolness, and those that have been marginalized revel in detesting those cool kids...


well i guess that makes since.
but marines are there most selling army so it makes business since to give them the most love.

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I'd love to see DE, currently only 2 things are putting me off doing an army: the models and the rules

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Canonness Rory wrote:Here are, IMO, the codices which need updating to 5th edition, in descending order of importance:

1.) Dark Eldar. They're using what, a second edition codex? New Models too.
2.) Inquisition. Both armies. New Models too.
3.) Tau. They don't have a single very good unit, even railguns are only single-shot, and meltaguns are better. Good model line though.
4.) Necrons/Tyranids. Both of these are equally shafted by 5th edition. Tyranids definetely need some freakin plastics, necrons need some more diversity in units!
Agreed on most counts, although tau vehicles are all very good with a 5pt upgrade for a 4+ cover save.


5.) Chaos Space Marines. They have a couple abusable units, but the rest are garbage. All the cult marines need to be equal in power, one should not shine over the other, daemon princes need to cost more, oblits need to be 0-1
They do need a Legions book, but I see no reason on earth why Oblits need to be 0-1. they are only truly horrific if Lash is involved, other than that, the other HS choices are just kinda lame is the main problem.


6.) Eldar. Still a strong codex, needs some plastic models, autarchs and most of the fast attack section needs rebalancing.
While all true, they really don't need an update that bad. They are still IMO one of the top 3 armies.


7.) Chaos Daemons. Still a very strong army, but definitely need new models.
They need their deployment rules fixed and plastics.


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Last I heard, from a GW manager, is that DE are being done as we speak BUT they aren't rushing it as it will be a 100%(ish) rebuild of the army; brand new models and codex, they are making it a labour of love and are making sure they are doing it right. Should be done within a year if the rumours are true.

Rumour is that Squats may make a return, but as the Demiurg (see Gothic), an addition to the Tau army....

Personally I think the non-codex marines could all be lumped into one PDF; don't bother with tactical squads etc as they will be the same as the codex marines, but put in the special characters, Furioso, Deathwing etc.

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What a great idea.. Antagonize what few DE players you have right now by totally screwing them over, and tempt new players with an army you won't update for 10 years, and then will totally redo.
   
 
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