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Wow, great thread folks. So good to know I'm not the only grumbly old man who daydreams of a nightmare future.

I got in to 40k in 1989 - shortly thereafter I got the legendary 30 man plastic beakie set and went about destroying it with Testors Enamel paints. Oof. Being 13 and in a rush to play with my guys I did probably the worst paint job ever. I had a friend who played orks, he had a model train set up in his garage and we were able to wage war with only the finest heavy metal playing in the background (IMHO Heavy Metal (esp Metallica and/or Iron Maiden) enhances the game tremendously - at least as far as I'm concerned. In fact I remember flipping through some dumb metal magazine in the early 90's and nearly going into fits when I saw the album cover for a band called BOLT THROWER - it was the cover of the original rogue trader rule book. Talk about get your chocolate out of my peanut butter)

Fast forward twenty years. (yowza). I'm married with child, now work as a writer and yet... 40k's sunk its claws in me and never let go - I always stopped to check in at the game shops just to gawk at the minis and flip through the books, and with the internet its even easier to get lost in the Imperium, and now, being a real live grown-up with a bit more cash than I had as a kid, I went out and bought myself Assault on Black Reach, along with the citadel paints and brushes. That was in December, and I'm almost done painting the Marines, I'll get started on the orks whenever. Its incredibly relaxing and satisfying. My justification to myself is instead of video games I'll paint minis. Life is good.

Anyway, nice to see people who have a similar, laid back appreciation for a unique, fun, fantasic game that's keeping me young.

Any of that brandy left? We ran out here.

Good post. Welcome to the Old Fart's Table.

I have to give GW credit for developing a world that's still strong enough to fire up the imagination after all this time.

So my thoughts turn into a revolution...

Together, brothers, we can bring back the leagues...

Bring back the lock-ins..

Bring back the warmth...

I can't tell you how happy space hulk has made me, the only dissapointment being my friends inability to be challenged....grrr...

I am also really happy because my BB pitch is coming to completion!! My GW manager also said he would give me one table on veterans night for specialist games!! Hahaaa!!!

I told you, it started here, with the wise ones...

Sorry I have not been so active busy with stuff and my net is down for a week or two.

Love you old guys.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Heh... that's me second from the right in the back row with the Crazy Old Man eyebrows.

Games Day 2033

lol! Perfect!

Khornholio wrote:

Games Day 2033

With the cut backs to events, it may very well end up 4 geezers in a field...

mattstone wrote:Ha! so Demo the magic has gone from your life now? Me too...I know exactly what you mean.

I wouldnt say its gone from my life, but it is gone from my 2 main hobbies, Warhammer, and Cars (I was a mechanic for about a year, and since then Ive been buying junk cars, turning them into race cars, then trading up to a not so junk car, turning it into a race car, then getting a decent car turning that into a.... rinse and repeat, started with a civic, im up to a Porsche 944 right now)

but there is one joy that I will never indulge in the creative aspects of, Music.

The whole aspect of mysticism and wonder that slowly fades as you learn about something reminds me of a poem/short story I read back in middle school, it was about a man who as a youth was fascinated by the river, decided to become a sailor, and when he became an old man he lost his fascination. The man resigned himself with the knowledge of being a captain of his own ship, and master of the river.

I am totally with wingedskull on this one - a game of BloodBowl just isn't the same without Whitesnake blaring away in the background! lol

I too have just returned to the hobby - started in '94, was mostly into the specialist games as it happens. Totally in love with Necromunda (Cawdor!) ...and BB of course. I missed Mordheim and GorkaMorka, as that was around the time I drifted away from the hobby. Am I the only one who would love to see a Necromunda re-make?
I wasn't actually a massive 40k fan first time round. I much prefered the fantasy setting, as WFRP was one of the first GW games I played.
Anyway, the missus came home from work one day, saying that she had found a box full of 'those figures you used to play with'. She brought them home the next day and that was it.

I was a goner.

I am now heavily into 40k - all things Orky, in particular (does anyone feel they're a bit 'sanitised' these days? - the current Codex is lacking... something). Luckily a couple of mates got into GW at the same time, as playing in my local store holds very little interest for me. I too find the staff pretty patronising and less knowledgeable than they used to be. Back in the day, to work at GW you had to have an encyclopedic knowledge of like, 4-5 games and excellent painting skills. The last time I went into my local store I asked a question about the 'Righteous Zeal' rule - the kid working there didn't even know what I was talking about! They seem to be there to push product and nothing more these days.

Does anyone else miss Man-o-War (the game not the band)? They brought back Gothic, why not Man-o-War? Or Dark Future? Some of my best High School Memories involve "White Line Fever".

I definitely miss Manowar the band....

Joining this thread kinda late I guess.
Back from a 14yr-ish hiatus.

The thing that pushed me away in 93 was the lack of gaming group support back then.
At that point my gaming group consisted of 4 guys who would takeover a table at the comic store from the AD&D flock.

So painting methods and rule lawyering came down to asking the other 4 guys around the table.

With the advent of Al Gore's invention theres a whole swarm of gamers to argue and brainstorm with. So the experience (cultural assualt) seems so much more varied now.

Glad to be back, even more so with Dakka

Regarding the price hikes and general evil empire bent GW has taken.... I applaud their tactics, but whine about the strain on my wallet.
The detail and quality of the models has increased, and plastic makes conversions simpler.
At least its relatively cheaper than golf/snowboarding/drinking onself to death.

Btw, I think Lamb of God is way more appropriate for 40K........

Nah, mate - Fear Factory for 40K. lol

Standard.

Now someone's mentioned the music I have to wonder what everyone else used to listen to when painting their models.

A friend had done me a tape (yes kiddes, those old C90s) of the early Cult/Death Cult albums which I used to listen to when painting up my beaky space marines.

Funny thing is, years later I bought the CDs (who said home taping would kill music?) and have the albums as MP3s on my computer which I have been playing while painting up my Chaos Space Marines. Other old favourites making a comeback are Motorhead and Iron Maiden and I haven't listened to those bad boys in a very long time.

Anyone else still listening to the same damn music while they paint?

Yes, Curve's album Doppelganger was synonimous with reading Realm of Chaos The Lost and the Damned and gluing together a crazy looking daemon prince made using that minotaur lord with the dragon claw mutation. This weekend I painted the first models I've attempted in over 13 years, a group of 4 orks, I was playing that album again.

No - thank feth!

I used to listen to Whitesnake, Manowar, Deep Purple, Rainbow etc.

Now it's Miles Davis, Kate Bush, Jackie Wilson...

Ahh a thread for us old farts! I no longer feel like a creepy old man hanging out in a place for kids and talking about toys.

I have suffered with the £2000 a year plastic crack habit since i was about 8 years old, I can still remember the first miniature I painted ( a Hobgoblin champion), although sadly i no longer have it. During my time i have lost interest and come back several times but never have i thought of giving it up for good. The girlfriend despairs but as long as I take her out for the odd meal every now and again she doesn't mind how much I spend on "my little men", well as long as I dont try convincing her that Burger King is a nice meal

On the subject of music I tend to stick on a bit of Metallica or Offspring when i want to get some speed painting done, although i normaly just have an old DVD playing in the background or some comedy on the Iplayer.

Whenever i get accused of being a bit sad I ask people what their hobbies are, the general responses are football and/or drinking, i then remind them that at least i have something to show for the money i have spent, other than a beer belly (well i actualy have that too, but there is nothing wrong with having two hobbies is there?)

Its sad that reading this thread i'm remember GW once had a record label... with a band called Bolt Thrower I think.

Also, i'm starting to feel the itch to restart my speedfreaks again...but I need the old RT models... pirate orks in space, so cool!

njpc wrote:Its sad that reading this thread i'm remember GW once had a record label... with a band called Bolt Thrower I think.

Also, i'm starting to feel the itch to restart my speedfreaks again...but I need the old RT models... pirate orks in space, so cool!

Have a look on Ebay, I saw a couple of Bolt Thrower albums on there yesterday!

I have some of the RT freebooterz knocking about somewhere, I really should get them painted and into Badrukks retinue

Ah soo many heat warming stories.

I dropped out when I went to Uni (the red era of WD) and only picked up the odd mini/book since then, keeping an eye on the hobby (I hate the GW conetation of that word!) but not really getting too involved. But having had our first child last Christmas I have found that I am at home more and really re-found my interest in wargaming, much to the Mrs' amusement. ("NOT MOAR WARHAMMERS YOU NERD" as the postman delivers another box) Still she prefers it to me watching TV or getting sloshed at the Rugby club!

Have started stripping almost my entire collection of mini's and am now faced with the mammoth task of painting them, but I should end up with a finely painted (YMMV!) collection of lead armies, including RT ork pirates, RT Imperial Army (inc Beaky marine and squat allies) and WH Imperial Dwarfs! Should be quite nice on the shelf if I can ever manage it! What I would really like is to get a Necromunda campaign up and running, but can't find any players presently (and certainly can't be arsed with going to a GW store).

Finally in honour of this momentous coming together of crusties, fogies, old farts and codgers can I suggest an acronym to be included in Sigs, thread headings and anywhere else you might fancy; this has been blatantly stolen from somewhere else and if you know where then you truly deserve the title of "DDOG" [Dakka Dakka Old Geezer/Gal]

Say it loud and say it proud, I AM A DDOG AND.........ooo cool mini, its shiney, sorry what was I saying? Excuse me I need to use the bathroom.....

I got into the hobby around 20 years ago just starting high school, though at age 11 with limited funds even prices back then it was slow going for em to begin with. But 20 marines for £10 and some of that horrible enamel paint for painting model kits with I fell in love with painting. Getting a job delivering papers opened a whole new world and started playing marines, orks and as soon as white dwarf 127 had hit, eldar as saw the models and fell in love with the aspect warriors and mysterious psykers

With no GW store near back then unless I was able to get to Glasgow or Edinbourgh there were very few gamers around so there was maybe 4 or 5 people I knew for playing against. This continued until 2nd ed was released which I was lucky enough to be earning a little more even though still at school and was able to buy the box set, a load of paints and some characters for armies right away. Stirling got it's own GW a couple of years later and I met new people who played and used to game there when I could work hours permitting. I loved that edition even though too many people abused characters being able to take down entire armies by themselves

Around the time 3rd edition was coming out there was a few problems at the store involving the staff and the preview of the rules left me thinking the game had went downhill. Tanks can't move and fire? Couldn't split fir so that leeman russ' lass cannon was targeting a vehicle while the heavy bolters went for the infantry advancing on it giggling while holding those nasty melta bombs? erm... (something I still dont like but imperfect world.)

Basicly I pretty much skipped 3rd edition and slowly came back when 4th ed 40k was out. Had moved to Huddersfield where I am today and tried it out, rules seemed vastly improved and while I had sold off all my old armies aside from the odd thing here and there I managed to get a dark angels army together again as marines are quick and easy to do and ofcourse the eldar saw me drooling over them again. After a bad experience at the local gaming club (a chaos lord seeming like a 2nd ed character AND moving around 36" after wiping out a squad in CC???) while learnign the rules put me off going for a while and having some problems with my back limited me going out so I was content to just model and paint miniatures when I was able to.

With the new rules set and someone I know down here getting back into 40k got me into it again too. I dusted off the eldar and went for a repaint of the army, though after seeing the current DA codex and comparing it to the current generic marine one I shelved the army thinking they got a little screwed I'm back with an ulthwe force I'm in the middle of getting back on the table since obliterating the Iyanden colours .

I dont go to GW stores anymore, and avoid paying the prices GW now demand for their stuff. Yes the quality has increased in their detail, and sure a business should be making profit, but what they ask for what you get is way out of proportion. Called them reacently to try to order some shrieker cannons for vypers and got told they no longer do individual components, go buy a box set. Summed their new attitude up perfectly and felt like a blow to modellers and a way to squeeze more money from people, buy a kit for one individual piece :(. Still white dwarf and their website no longer try to mask being just a catalogue.
After the way people at the local club rallied around someone cheating they way they did on trying to get back into the hobby 4th ed I'll be skipping touching that gaming club and play with a couple of people once a week or so around our work and family lives at one of our houses. Overall it's nice to see things still going strong, even the first range of aspect warriors have been improved on and some interesting changes to the game to make it more emphasised on your rank and file not your characters. I miss some of the 2nd ed stuff and still think armour modifiers are overall better than AP values for gaming but it's nice to be back and find a lot of people playing, and ebay makes the hobby affordable again
Look forward to chatting on the boards with you all, think I better go make the introduce myself post today finally too

Good to have you on board, fellow veteran!

I've been on a gaming hiatus for a long time. The last games I actually played was 2E, I bought the 3E Ork Codex and the new (at the time) Ork models back in...

....1999 or 2000? I forget.

I've actually played more Bloodbowl and Warhammer Quest than I have WH40K or WHFB.

Now, I have looked up new models every now and then in those years, read a White Dwarf or two, and of course, played DoW games.

What brought me back into the fold was reading Gaunt's Ghost's. Love the books, and inspired me to buy the new Ork Codex, one or two new models, and toy with the idea of collecting a second Blood Angels army (bought a convert BA dread, Corbulo, and Dante on Ebay).

Not sure if I will play any games, but I am enjoying collecting again!

DeathTyrant wrote:
Not sure if I will play any games, but I am enjoying collecting again!

For me, as a beardy fossilised gaming geezer, collecting, painting and modelling are more enjoyable than actually playing. I see these young guys at tourneys flipping out while they are playing and just shake my head, stroke my beard, sip my beer and ask my opponent, "Did I roll for these guys yet?"

I love you people, I actually love you.

With house renovation in mid-stages I'm stranded with no internet still! I'm sorry, the love is there, but not the logistics.

I am waiting impatiently for my Nurgle team to arrive this week, and the first half of the pitch is painted. Everything seems to be coming on nicely in the BB world.

Got the mission V in hulk now, and it's ruddy amazing. I have also coerced a friend into the hobby!

Skills to pay the gas bills.

He just ordered the human team. Boom.

Hopefully before xmas will have some of the digitally photo's for you to look at..

those pictures of GD 2033 made me wet myself. Classic.

Meangreen, Khorn, NJ, Alby, thanks for holding the thread down boys.

And every new veteran welcome to the thread of discerning age and conscious enjoyment.

I'm not to far from you squillerinve mate. Hours drive.

Hey deathtyrant I play BB on a weekly basis, more if I could, and me and a friend from our wee group are planning building constructs (like hallways and rooms) with resin bricks and stuff, should be off the hook, got the tidea off here if I remember right.

Vermillion I tip my hat to you, you sound like an uber veteran.

notprop heart warming is the perfect word, and the perfect way for me to end this, must dash, not my PC, speak soon fella's!

Well, at 28 i'm not keen on joining the DDOG just yet

Having started Playing 40K around the RT era, i fell out with the thing in '96. My local GW (the only flgs at the time) replaced our beloved manager (8 gaming tables, all employees forced to have an army/specialist interest) with a fool.

Any regulars were effectively forced out of the store due to such inspirations as....

Whenever the manger (or his ilk) shouted INCOMING! All, players at a table had to duck to the floor or suffer an instant loss in their game.

No-one could spend more than 30mins at the painting table.

Anyone playing on veterans night HAD to make a purchase in store or be kicked out. (anyone buying say, a pot of paint was told the minimum purchase was £10).

Winning a frienly game against someone just starting the hobby was a bannable offence. (enforced on 2 of my good friends, despite them playing with a 50% point handicap)

Needless to say, such policies got rid of every regular player over the age of 18 in the space of a month. Being slightly younger, i feel that i was afforded a little more leeway than my friends and, as such, tried to persevere with the hobby. The breaking point came when i played one of the store employees in a demo game for a few newcomers: This employee would not measure his moves (instead simply measuring the distance needed to bring his troops into firing range), would roll his dice behind buildings and declare the results to me, and occasionally shout out the good 'ol 'Incoming' whenever it looked like i would kill some of his troops. I tried to point out that cheating was not a good way to enamour new enthusiasts, but was met with blank stares.

Safe to say i lost the game by a distance.

Forgive the rant, there is a happy ending to this.

I recently moved back to my home town a few weeks ago and decided, having been casually interested in the hobby of late, to get fully involved with the local GW.

So far, it has been a joy to interact with. The staff are warm and welcoming whilst still maintaining that 'new customer friendly' atmosphere their management are so fond of. We have a good crowd of regular players who are more than happy to help out any youngsters starting out. Another bunch of us are hoping to start a painting clinic (ala standard bearer) and i can o ly wish good things on GW for their support (atm).

Don't give up on your flgs (even if it is a GW) it can be time time well spent

@J.Black: Why couldn't you simply decide to play with cool people, rather than depending on such a crappy store?

I guess most of us quit playing GW games because we were damned if we were going to support a business that treated people like that, when we collectively spent thousands of pounds there.

OK, right, but the problem wasn't GW - it was the retards running the store.

Take the game home, into the garage / basement / gameroom, and all of the stupidity of the store goes away.