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Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

Mattlov wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

-Grabs handful of dice- "Oh yeah I got, um, 17 hits."
-Rolls- "Oh Look, 16 Wounds!" -Scoops Dice-

Gwar! wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

-Grabs handful of dice- "Oh yeah I got, um, 17 hits."
-Rolls- "Oh Look, 16 Wounds!" -Scoops Dice-

That is fair, apparently, because you told your opponent how many "successes" you got.

Thankfully I have never had to deal with anyone that used that line of "reasoning".

And it is disallowed in most venues I have seen.

shrug

Tri wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Tri wrote:ha of course i wouldn't begrudge some one with an aliment that gives them reduced mobility. Still missing the table is not something that happens very often for me or those i play with. Its rare for anything to fall off the table and I've always played it as a miss because of that.

Good for you. If you tried to force your issue on me I'd laugh and ignore you.

but then it won't come up unless you continually miss the table? As I said if you're able of body and mind you can roll dice with out dropping them off the board.

And if they do go off the table I'm more worried about the dice. I'll re-roll it once I find it, and will ignore you if you think those should count as misses.

I have lost about a half dozen dice, I think about half are my fault. Those I count as misses. Because I miss them.

On the plus side, I have 4 scatter dice now - despite only having 2 a while back.

I still end every game with "Are any of these yours? Do you want one? I have no clue how I got so many". No one will take them.

I think people are a little over zealous when it comes to rerolling dice. It is a very rare occurrence that you can't tell what number the cocked die is showing.

When playing though, I follow my opponents lead. If they reroll all slightly cocked dice so will I.

Seems like there's a lot of seriously paranoid folks out there when it comes to dice.

I agree that in a tournament there's more at stake and it's maybe a bit more of an issue to watch for people trying to fudge their rolls but I can't imagine that being an issue during friendly games.

If I noticed someone sneaking in a few more hits or a few more wounds I would probably call them on it and ask them to go a little more slowly or count a little more carefully (trying to be diplomatic and not throwing out the 'C' word) just for my benefit. If they refused, well then they're not worth playing with. I'm not going to say "pick up the misses or else!" because that's their prerogative and now I'm being the dick. As long as I can follow what they're doing I don't care how they count them up.

This being said, I consider myself a very honest person when it comes to 40k but I'll still make the occasional error when counting a big group of dice. If an opponent calls me on it, I'll thank them and we'll move on. If they're still unhappy, I'll offer to reroll. Everyone makes mistakes and it's not very fair to vilify them for it.

Then again, I might just be naive...

DoW

Isn't re-rolling cocked dice something that you should talk about with your opponent prior to playing?

I mean, you might already have an agreement or custom that you're both used to, but sometimes people play with strangers and these things should be settled before they come up in the game.

Otherwise, doesn't sportsmanship dictate that you make sure all your dice rolls are fair, that any possibly cocked successes are re-rolled, and that you take the time to carefully sort successes from failures?

I reroll if it's off the table, or not clearly readable. If the die is headed off the board, I'll throw a die.

It doesn't need to be perfectly flat and flush to the table.

The game goes faster this way, rather than trying to balance dice / re-roll more.

Keep things moving!

I haven't been reading all that closely, but does no one on Dakka use a dice tower, or simply roll in a box?

Personally I loathe dice towers - though I have played with one fellow who used one till he became convinced t'was unlucky.

I have used box tops, though sometimes I do not due to space considerations and a dislike for how Chessex dice roll on bare cardboard (I've never tried rolling in a plastic box top because I'm just too chintzy to purchase one I suppose)

I'm using random number generators these days, but back in the way we'd use a box, the best being a wooden that double as one guy's army tote. Gotta bank the dice, after all.

I'll agree with the banking, and rolling on hard wood is always a pleasure. Do you bring along a laptop for the random number generation or are you running it off a PDA or something?

My one buddy has a tower, and we've been known to roll in boxes as well.

Thor665:

It depends on what's available. iPhones are just too cool with their dice apps, but a laptop is more effective for the pots of dice that get thrown in Warhammer. I even have a calculator that'll do D6s and coin flips.

Some of my friends tend to whine "cocked" whenever a dice gets about 1 degree off the horizontal on the tablecloth (usually only rolls they failed or I passed mind) so I have to reroll them just for the sake of not causing a fight. But if it were up to me I would only reroll anything almost on it's edge and you can't tell. Most dice just get slightly caught and you can almost always see what it will be. If it's on the floor it's a reroll (again because otherwise my friends will complain)

My friends played alot differently.

It was a cocked dice if it could not be read or was not flat BUT

If you wanted the player could try the balancing act and put another like dice on top of it if the dice stayed the roll was good.


Also, reroll off the table dice.

This doesn't come up as my group uses a dicebox.
Only dice ending up in the box counts.

kirsanth wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Mattlov wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:They're called eyes. You see with them.

And what about people with Green Dice that have Green pips? Or yellow dice with Gold Pips? or just Small Dice? What if your opponent is Colour Blind so cannot see the numbers well? What about if you are on the other end of the table? It is just common courtesy to pick up the fails (because no-one will pick up successes as fails) and letting both players see before roiling again.

Really? I pick up my successes and re-roll those for wounding. I can just shove the misses out of the way at that point. But I also tell my opponent how many hits there are.

-Grabs handful of dice- "Oh yeah I got, um, 17 hits."
-Rolls- "Oh Look, 16 Wounds!" -Scoops Dice-

That is fair, apparently, because you told your opponent how many "successes" you got.

Thankfully I have never had to deal with anyone that used that line of "reasoning".

And it is disallowed in most venues I have seen.

shrug

Ah, so the issue can only be justified through exaggeration and doublespeak. And this is an argument founded on a lack of trust? Are you guys just saying that you're false and untrustworthy? Or is it just that you generally play against people that you don't trust?

... And to think that someone would actually design a greeen die with green pips... and that someone else would actually buy and use said dice.

I fething hate speckled dice with a unholy passion that caused m to kill a prolifer.


Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to make a dice purple and black then make the pips black.


ugh I hates them

Hollismason wrote:I fething hate speckled dice with a unholy passion that caused m to kill a prolifer.


Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to make a dice purple and black then make the pips black.


ugh I hates them

had a friend with these ...one day I wasn't playing, so I spent the game colouring in the pips with a gold pen ... They look much better.

Touching another man's dice is like touching his balls, so basically you colored in your friends balls with a gold pen.

Hollismason wrote:Touching another man's dice is like touching his balls, so basically you colored in your friends balls with a gold pen.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Ah, so the issue can only be justified through exaggeration and doublespeak. And this is an argument founded on a lack of trust? Are you guys just saying that you're false and untrustworthy? Or is it just that you generally play against people that you don't trust?

Trust? Exaggeration? Double Speak?

Part of my post was mocking, sure.
But picking up misses eliminates most relevant human error. Intentional or not.

Picking up hits is fine if you want to play slowly so that your opponent can see and count the hits with you before you pick them up would be fine. If you have the time.
That faster you go, the less viable that is.

If you do not let your opponent see the die rolls, you are quickly going into the "distrusted" catagory of many folks I know.
What do you have to hide?

kirsanth wrote:

Arctik_Firangi wrote:Ah, so the issue can only be justified through exaggeration and doublespeak. And this is an argument founded on a lack of trust? Are you guys just saying that you're false and untrustworthy? Or is it just that you generally play against people that you don't trust?

Trust? Exaggeration? Double Speak?

Part of my post was mocking, sure.
But picking up misses eliminates most relevant human error. Intentional or not.

Picking up hits is fine if you want to play slowly so that your opponent can see and count the hits with you before you pick them up would be fine. If you have the time.
That faster you go, the less viable that is.

If you do not let your opponent see the die rolls, you are quickly going into the "distrusted" catagory of many folks I know.
What do you have to hide?

Kirsanth is objectively correct. There is no reason to not give your opponant an opportunity to double check your rolls even during friendly games. I trust my friend's motivations, but I don't always trust their eyes. I know that I personally have mistaken the cancellation cuts on my dice for pips when excited or in a hurry. It takes just a few seconds to pick up misses and let your opponant take a quick look before rolling, and it turns a 20/20 shooting result from a "Really? Are you kidding?" moment to a "Wow, well done!" moment.
Look at it this way: you expect your wife to trust you, but if you are out to all hours and come home smelling like cheap perfume and someone else's sweat she is going to be suspicious and it will hurt your relationship, whether you were doing anything untoward or not.

Speaking of cocking (*rimshot*), we generally play that if it is a success, it is gentlemanly of the roller to ask if his opponant would like him to reroll. Generally if it is less than a 45 degree angle we decline. Also, if it is hooked on a base or something easily moved, we move the object and let it settle. It isn't a huge problem for me since I use big freaking casino dice which are not inclined to roll around much.

As to dice on the floor, we always reroll them if they fall. I personally don't like rolling near models (every time I drop a 3/4" die on a model I flinch in pain) and play armies that generally throw lots of dice, so I end up rolling near the edges as does everyone else around here. It makes them easier to pick up.
We have designated one corner of the basement floor as the "dice box" though for those times when you need to literally throw down 36 daemonette attacks or something.

Wehrkind wrote:We have designated one corner of the basement floor as the "dice box" though for those times when you need to literally throw down 36 daemonette attacks or something.

If 36 dice is "a lot of dice", you are doing it wrong

When your dice are 1" per side, it's a lot of dice

Plus we use a lot of terrain with uneven surfaces, so it avoids too many cocked dice.

kirsanth wrote:If you do not let your opponent see the die rolls, you are quickly going into the "distrusted" catagory of many folks I know.
What do you have to hide?

I can see where you're coming from there. I would probably unconsciously do the same thing (i.e. put someone in the "distrusted" category) even if I probably wouldn't admit it to them.

As hypocritical as it sounds, it really bugs me when a single die goes behind something, I call out that it's a hit or a miss, yet the other guy HAS to come around and see it before I pick it up. I'd be okay with it if my opponent always wanted to double check the result regardless, but they only seem interested in coming around to my side of the table when it's a hit.

Multiple dice in a huge bunch, okay sure, people can make mistakes. A single die in a friendly game? Now you're just assuming that someone is going to be deceitful. I think that's a little insulting.

DoW

EDIT - To clarify, it only gets annoying after the 3rd or 5th (or 10th) time I've correctly called a single hit or miss that isn't visible to my opponent and they still need to double-check me. Eh, maybe I just need to relax.

@DoW: Maybe it's you?

I like to ensure that people see all of my rolls, even the odd single die. I feel better that way.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@DoW: Maybe it's you?

I must just look like a shifty fellow. C'est la vie!

DoW