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The lack of understanding of the Tyranid biology implied by the statements in this thread are appalling. There are no female Tyranid threads because there already are female Tyranids. Where do you think all of the little genestealers and guants come from?!? Did you think the Dominatrix was a naming coincidence?!?

It's elementary xenobiology people. Sheesh.

Edit: That, and I don't think there are many people who are good enough sculptors to give Tyranids the Species treatment.

Kilkrazy wrote:It's always a bad idea to look at the logistics of Space Marines, loyalist or Chaos, because you keep running into the fact they obviously wouldn't work.

Just accept the fluff for what it is.

Oh, Killkrazy. Do you sometimes wonder why we have background threads at all?

[rant]In my experience, it's very rare for anyone claiming to want female Space Marines to actually want Space Marines made from female initiates.

Instead they want an army of thin, conventionally human, sexually attractive soldiers with the strength and resilience of genetically engineered monsters twice their size. They're the stereotypical Mary Sue; the fan-created characters that are part of the ranks of pretty much the most elite warriors in existence, but who have none of the drawbacks of the rest of their kind (turning from a human to a war machine, physically and psychologically), who are ignoring the further drawbacks of being physically attractive (despite being in a role that should place no emphasis on attractiveness) with terrible explanations as to why they have absurd anime-style strength for their size (they found a super secret new technology that only they can use... every one of them is a Temple Assassin... they're weak but being physically weak makes them more dangerous in another manner like they're D&D characters with a limited number of points to put into their physical stats, so they count as having a high strength anyways... etc), and who are breaking the established background just by existing. If they have flaws, it's usually some sort of angsty flaw tacked on to make them sympathetic, but it's rarely the kind of flaw they should, logically, be having (no longer being physically attractive, implants adapting poorly to a less than ideal host, etc).

They are nearly always the result of bad writing. Why? Because there is simply very little desire for space marines who wear the same type of armor as men, who undergo the same treatments and implants as men, who end up huge, and scarred, and no longer have breasts of any significance, and no longer have delicate features or other typically feminine traits, and are brainwashed psychopaths only focused on destroying the Imperium's enemies and maintaining loyalty to the chapter.

I should probably say, this isn't universally true. I've seen a few cases of better writing than this, but it's not enough to keep me from being opposed to the idea as a rule.

Also, being "fantasy" has absolutely nothing to do with it. You could make a bunch of lollipop men, or dancing ham sandwiches, and they would exist fine in a "fantasy". That doesn't mean they fit in well with the 40k universe.[/rant]

Applause. Thank you, Inquistor Orekosaurus, for dealing with this heresy.

@ Orkeosaurus

A very interesting argument. Very interesting indeed....however, as much as I like your path of thought, I have to say, theres a few discrepancies that have been made......First of all, you say the feminine hunter killer is not in keeping with the WH40K universe, and you even cite the "Temple Assassin" as an example, and yet.....what are the Temple Assassins? Are the Callidus Temple Assassins, weak? or alternatively hulking monsters scarred from a hundred battles? What about the Sisters of Battle, they're not exactly the match for Marines, but they are above the ranks of Imperial Stormtroopers....which, pretty much makes them killing machines, I'd say!

I don't believe that the people who want Female elite warriors, want Pamela Anderson, as this wouldn't normally be associated with someone willing to fight and die for an ideal, I'd imagine they want something along the lines of Tank Girl....for example.....

No, in fact he said that the temple assassin was the one example of a female with super-human strength despite her normal size.

@ ph34r

But then the whole argument falls apart....I mean, if the Temple Assassin is a justified example of a "cute" woman being a killing machine in the WH40K universe, then why not a cute killing machine Space Marine girlie as well....as opposed to a Female Marine with arms like tree trunks, no breast to speak of, and scars criss crossing her body and face...not to mention bad acne from steriod over dose and implant rejection.

Plus, they pay for it in looks. No one (healthy) wants to see what's under those body suits. (Meant to follow ph34r's post)

dawwww

Maybe we can resolve this by having a calender of similar pictures hung up on the inside of a landraider.

That would be a good project for Christmas.

Delephont wrote:@ Orkeosaurus

A very interesting argument. Very interesting indeed....however, as much as I like your path of thought, I have to say, there's a few discrepancies that have been made......First of all, you say the feminine hunter killer is not in keeping with the WH40K universe, and you even cite the "Temple Assassin" as an example, and yet.....what are the Temple Assassins? Are the Callidus Temple Assassins, weak? or alternatively hulking monsters scarred from a hundred battles?

I mentioned Temple Assassins specifically because they're really among the most absurdly powerful individuals in the Imperium. The use of each individual Temple Assassin requires the High Lords of Terra to personally approve of it. You are essentially barred from using more than one, ever, except in games of Apocalypse.

In a game of Apocalypse, reading the datafax for Officio Assassinorum Execution Force can give you a good idea of just how unique an assassin is; each Temple only trains a handful of assassins every year, and the last time more than one assassin was deployed it was against the Chosen of Abaddon.

And even this absurdly rare gathering of assassins numbers between two and six members. Saying that your entire army is composed of their equivalent is similar to saying that your eldar army is composed of nothing but Harlequin Solitaires (or their equivalents), or that every Chaos Marine in your army has been elevated to Daemon Prince (or, once again, the equivalent).

A Callidus Assassin is far from weak, and far from physically bulky. Since they do not ideally put themselves in harm way they're unlikely to have sustained major injuries, although what they look like is really a matter of what they're doing with their Polymorphine at the time. I would be surprised if the constant use of drugs and surgical implants did render them rather... unhealthy, I suppose, looking when not changing their image.

The method in which any Temple Assassin is created is pretty much known only to the Officio Assassinorum (as is the location of their temple; Culexus being a partial exception). One thing that is known is that they recieve a battery of implants and surgical alterations specific to the temple in question, along with training as strict as can possibly be made, from a very young age, with only the rarest of individuals qualifying. It's also known that they wear something called Synthskin, which acts as a form of powered armor, both protecting them and boosting their strength considerably. Digital weapons, alien technology (a la the C'Tan Phase Blade), and more exotic artifacts kept close to the temple are also used.

What about the Sisters of Battle, they're not exactly the match for Marines, but they are above the ranks of Imperial Stormtroopers....which, pretty much makes them killing machines, I'd say!

Actually, I recall them being essentially trained to the same standards, excluding the religious fanaticism instilled in the Sisters. (I would think the Stormtrooper companies would except female applicants as well, assuming that they're able to perform the same tasks, and that they haven't already been claimed as initiates to one of the Sororitas orders/Commissariat).

Both groups are killing machines, trained to the highest levels of any modern day special forces, and given a deep psychological indoctrination and set of equipment to boot. However, this is simply a good example of the limit that a human fighter, man or woman, is going to reach. Even wearing Power Armor, a Sister of Battle isn't going to have anything close to the strength of a basic Tactical Marine. Or even a Scout. And while no woman is going to naturally have anything near the musculature of a Catachan man, even he is going to be quite a bit weaker than a Space Marine.

I don't doubt that there are effective female combatants in 40k, but while a brainwashed soldier who trains for hours every day and is given a set of powerful armor and weaponry is going to be a killing machine in any modern sense, it still puts them quite a bit behind a brainwashed soldier who trains for hours every day, is given a set of powerful armor and weaponry, and is an eight-foot tall genetically altered fighter with a solid ribcage, artificially dense bone structure, second heart, instantly clotting blood, brain that can go without sleep for days on end without losing function, and potentially centuries of active service.

I don't believe that the people who want Female elite warriors, want Pamela Anderson, as this wouldn't normally be associated with someone willing to fight and die for an ideal, I'd imagine they want something along the lines of Tank Girl....for example.....

My problem is that a Space Marine is far above an elite warrior; they're an eight foot tall construct built for war. The Cadians are excellently trained, far better than any modern army is I'd bet, and a female soldier from their ranks is going to be badass in any modern definition (it's required just to keep up; if you can't maintain a lasgun as a young child you're way behind the curve). It just doesn't compare to a Space Marine, though. They lose their humanity when they decide to defend it.


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(Jesus, I never meant to write such a treatise on the subject!)

I play Hello Kitty Marines. The ones without kitty helmets are female and have long hair and such but I don't bother with putting breasts on the armor. You see women in the army? They don't have huge breasts.

All well and good. Now can we get back to this calender? (Face it, that's really what every one of these threads is really about.)

solkan wrote:The lack of understanding of the Tyranid biology implied by the statements in this thread are appalling. There are no female Tyranid threads because there already are female Tyranids. Where do you think all of the little genestealers and guants come from?!? Did you think the Dominatrix was a naming coincidence?!?

It's elementary xenobiology people. Sheesh.

Edit: That, and I don't think there are many people who are good enough sculptors to give Tyranids the Species treatment.

Well, thank you for that image. Now I need to purge my mind with some brain bleach and napalm mixture.

Manchu wrote:All well and good. Now can we get back to this calender? (Face it, that's really what every one of these threads is really about.)

We have to know if it's a leap year/leap millennium/both.

Then we have to remember that every month is named after the Emperor.

Are there twelve months called Emperor? That's all we need to know, how many pictures there should be.

Empuary

Impuary

Empch

Impril

Empay

Junperor

Julimparitor

August

Emptember

Emptober

Impvember

Empcember

Now that that's settled, bring on the calender girls.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul:
Aug:
Sept:
Nov:
Dec:

please continue

Delephont wrote:@ ph34r

But then the whole argument falls apart....I mean, if the Temple Assassin is a justified example of a "cute" woman being a killing machine in the WH40K universe, then why not a cute killing machine Space Marine girlie as well....as opposed to a Female Marine with arms like tree trunks, no breast to speak of, and scars criss crossing her body and face...not to mention bad acne from steriod over dose and implant rejection.

Because physically thats the way it works. Space marines probably have colossal man boobs and tiny penises. But a space marine built like your average porn star is rubbish.

And please, I dont remember who said it but someone mentioned girls have different advantages in a fight then men. This simply isnt true. I have known a few girls who fought professionally in various MMA/muay thai events. All were ripped and muscular. I know a girl who can put her feet by her face without using her hands, that wont help her any.

Like i said its a reason to push more sexuality into the game. Its no different then furries wanting to play their fursona in d&d or whatever.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders (It's hot out)
Aug:
Sept:
Nov:
Dec:

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords or Death Guard? Which are spookier?
Nov:
Dec:

Night Lords, definitely.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb:
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists. Let's face it, they're a bunch of turkeys.
Dec:

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves--cause this is a cold, cold month
Mar:
Apr:
May:
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec:

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels. Who else do expect to find dancing around a may pole?
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec:

Delephont wrote:If we followed your logic, then given the degree of slaughter, bigotry and destruction displayed in your average wargame, we must all be closet serial killing, Nazi, terrorists......hell, and there was me thinking I was just having some fun with friends......

1) Chillax, its just a game, I wouldent do it, it violates the fluff, and in all likelyhood, would hardly act like a male space marine, givin that they are bouth jacked up on so many stimms and wear form concealing power armor and that he is chemically castrated (or did that get retconned? or not confermed at all?) but dude, to each his (or her) own, cut 'im some slack and try not to make anyone ever regret posting something.

2) Godwin's law, hurr-hurr

EDIT: Arrg! ninja'ed by calander girls!

Orkeosaurus wrote:Who else do expect to find dancing around a may pole?

Ahhhh, well said!

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept:
Oct: Nightlords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters--Santa wears red, right?

Good call.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun:
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion; you best get yo backpack son, they takin' ya ta school!
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters


(Alright, that one's a stretch.)

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar:
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun: Blood Angels, because June is such a warm, happy month
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters

(After Santa Kharn, they're all going to be a stretch.)

June is when the mosquitoes start to come out, so that works out great.

Jan: Ultramarines
Feb: Space Wolves
Mar: I bet the Black Templars march into battle. That's close enough for our standards!
Apr:
May: Dark Angels
Jun: Blood Angels, because June is such a warm, happy month
Jul: Salamanders
Aug:
Sept: Alpha Legion
Oct: Night Lords
Nov: Imperial Fists
Dec: World Eaters