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How did you get a picture of my misses up there? hmm.

Personnaly I think the FLuff is clear on female SM, However if somebody want to make some I have no issue with it at all. We each take what we want from this hobby.
For its is a hobby not a way of life

There are possibilities of creating female space marines (all but in name) via other methods that don't involve using male space marine geneseed. The question(s) whether the possibilities are feasible and be IoM approved need to be answered before any work may be done.

1hadhq wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It is a well know fact that the two missing legions of Sace Marines are women, being hidden for millenia by the Emporer for mysterious purposes.

Fact??

Missing legions? Who lost them?

The Emporer.

Check the stories of the missing primarchs.

Clearly they have been deliberately lost to create the possibility of things like female space marines.

Thanks every one for your input, and I have my questions solved.
Female Marines in the Imperium are neigh-impossible, and would be rejected if they ever occurred.
Female Chaos Marines would be more likely, and a chaos SoB would be ever the more interesting (though I would steer away from worshiping Slanesh, "Daughters of Carnage" sounds like they worship Khrone anyway.) Not to mention less likely to get me beaten up about it.


Thanks for your ideas everyone. Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to a distant bunker where I can watch the growing fires from a safe distance.

Current imperial doctrine suggests that the gene work that the astartes do requires males only. although, as with most things in 40k, this has become traditionalised, and I doubt that any loyal chapters have ever tried to mehreen a lady type.

Chaos would probabyhave a go at making lady marines, and slaanesh would just convert dudes to ladies.

Id wager Fabius Bile would be able to do it.

Also, bear in mind that female marines would have bodybuilding lady like physiqes. normal humans have S3/T3, so why are youcomparing a normal lady to a gene enhanced supersoldier???

Ermm....looks like some people forgot their Fluff Weetabix this morning...

From a gaming stat point of view, I think you'll find that Imperial Assassins have Str 4 and Toughness 4! and the last time I looked the Callidus Assassin looked very sleek and very female!

Imperial Assassins can go head to head with Marines, and win! but they don't have the numbers.....so, what if someone managed to create a temple of Callidus type Assassins.....an army of Assassins......now, that would be more interesting than blatantly obvious Chaos SoB, or morphed Imperial Marines (which I find disturbing anyway!)

Again, my humble opinion.......

Female marines are an excuse to shoehorn boobs and women into the game. Someone wants an army with boobs, so play sisters.

Kilkrazy wrote:

1hadhq wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:It is a well know fact that the two missing legions of Sace Marines are women, being hidden for millenia by the Emporer for mysterious purposes.

Fact??

Missing legions? Who lost them?

The Emporer.

Check the stories of the missing primarchs.

Clearly they have been deliberately lost to create the possibility of things like female space marines.

Could you please un-delete the deleted data so I may read them?
NO? Emperor only access?

Now, do I have access or not .....

IIRC, none of the legions were not known to R. Dorn. Maybe we ask him? Dead? Silly GW. Cuts off all our sources

Female IG are still the better choice.

Heresy all the way.
Do not even think about it.

So trying to shoehorn more scifi babes in is bad but only males being "implanted" with "the sacred geneseed" is okay?

Wow.

Those jokes are as old as the Dark Angels themselves.

Kilkrazy wrote:Female Spase Mariens are awesome.

My problem isn't with female Space Marines. It's with the idea of cute female space marines. It's written in a number of the descriptions of Space Marines that they dose these guys with ridiculous doses of roids. Part of this production is the result of implants, and it would seem like they would further augment this with injections and things of that nature. If you look at the facial bone structure of male Space Marines it becomes pretty obvious that these guys are being pumped with more juice than the Kool Aid Man.

If you roid a female Space Marine as hard as the male Space Marines seem to be roided, then she isn't going to look much like a woman for long. None of the Ms. Olympia competetors looks anything close to female.

That put, males simply make better candidates for Space Marines overall. Stronger bone structure and musculature to start with, stronger endogenous testosterone production, easier "biological maintenence" (ie: try dealing with "that time of the month" wearing power armor), better receptors for human growth hormone and testosterone, etc. It's not to say that they couldn't make a female Space Marine, but it just wouldn't make sense to do it.

What would be the difficulty rating to convert the SoB armor to make it look like space marine armor with boobs?

Saying people that want to play females should just play sisters is like saying that people that want to play any form of human should simply play IG.

After the Necron Codex, no real aspect of the 40k fluff is ironclad anymore.

It's a big galaxy, and there are big parts of it that the Imperium don't control.

jmurph wrote:So trying to shoehorn more scifi babes in is bad but only males being "implanted" with "the sacred geneseed" is okay?

Wow.

Yus, this is ok.
I dont play male space marines because they are male, i play them because they kick ass. If i tried to make my space marines female i would have to have a reason for doing so. Such as being a ronery nerd.

Kilkrazy wrote:Female Spase Mariens are awesome.

This sir is pure win

Begone fluff nazis!
I think everyone knows the relevant fluff.

Even if there were female sm what with seroids, baldness and complex hormone suppresants to control periods, you probably wouldn't be able to tel the difference.

Female Imperial Assassins are hot period, they get the job done . IMO I think females in the GW universe got alot of good job occupations available. SOB, Imperial Assassins, Inquisitors or in there retinue, Imperial Guard name in others if you know em. Anyways as we've concluded earlier going completely by fluff you cant(and even tho possible with the warp) wont have Imperial Female Space Marines, but can have Female Chaos Space Marines cause that warp space. If you really want to have Imp Female Space Marines then make no one can stop you just kinda be uncool breaking fluff that all IMO

Are you planning on making an army of Slaaneshi transsexual marines who for some reason want to shape their armor to exaggerate their figures? If so, then sure, marines with breasts would be consistent with the fluff in that case. If you're not trying to do transsexual chaos marines, you're going to have to work a lot harder to justify those models.

Then again, in my opinion the armor design on the Sisters of Battle armor is completely stupid. Space Marine powered armor sure as hell isn't form fitting, why is it any different for them? There simply are not enough angry orkmoticons to express my feelings about that.

Theoretically, it could be important to the Ecclesiarchy to remind people that they don't have any men at arms.

This thread is a continuation of the 556,994,771st Forum Heresy (out of at least 1,000,000,000). Which begs the question: WHY WHY WHYYYYYY?

I am impressed that this has stayed on target for this long, however, and so will contribute. Do traitor marines actually have to rely on geneseed to replenish their ranks? If not, then of course there could be chaos femarines. If so, how are there so many of them still around? (I know that many of the original fallen legionaries can't still be kicking around AND there haven't been that many SM who've fallen.)

I want to know why people want to make female marines. Every single person ive met who wants to do this has little to no reason. Sure they argue if fluff wise, but when you ask why they are hell bent on putting that much effort into making an army of muscle girls they cant give a reason.

I feel its horny nerd syndrome. These guys think boobs are cool, and want to put them on models to make up for their lack of sexual activity. I could be wrong on this, but everyone ive met who wants female marines is sex starved and horny. Thats why im completely opposed to the idea. If you have a legitimate reason for it go ahead. But more boobs is just lame.

Polonius wrote:Saying people that want to play females should just play sisters is like saying that people that want to play any form of human should simply play IG.

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What about female orks or nids. I guess an ork with breasts is not that appealing

Justified Female Marines -> What a terrible heresy..... we have SOB already.

But if SOB had more various hairstyle, it would be good for them.....

Eidolon wrote:I want to know why people want to make female marines. Every single person ive met who wants to do this has little to no reason. Sure they argue if fluff wise, but when you ask why they are hell bent on putting that much effort into making an army of muscle girls they cant give a reason.

I feel its horny nerd syndrome. These guys think boobs are cool, and want to put them on models to make up for their lack of sexual activity. I could be wrong on this, but everyone ive met who wants female marines is sex starved and horny. Thats why im completely opposed to the idea. If you have a legitimate reason for it go ahead. But more boobs is just lame.

To subvert the adolescent male fantasy homosexual subtext implicit in the 40K fluff.


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Manchu wrote:This thread is a continuation of the 556,994,771st Forum Heresy (out of at least 1,000,000,000). Which begs the question: WHY WHY WHYYYYYY?

I am impressed that this has stayed on target for this long, however, and so will contribute. Do traitor marines actually have to rely on geneseed to replenish their ranks? If not, then of course there could be chaos femarines. If so, how are there so many of them still around? (I know that many of the original fallen legionaries can't still be kicking around AND there haven't been that many SM who've fallen.)

It's always a bad idea to look at the logistics of Space Marines, loyalist or Chaos, because you keep running into the fact they obviously wouldn't work.

Just accept the fluff for what it is.

I think female space marines can work but not in the "carbon copy" way the male space marines are created. And they won't be called "Female Space Marines" but a whole different type of army. Females do have certain advanges over males that would come handy in battle and brute strength doesn't always win the day. That's my 2 cents.

Eidolon wrote:I want to know why people want to make female marines. Every single person ive met who wants to do this has little to no reason. Sure they argue if fluff wise, but when you ask why they are hell bent on putting that much effort into making an army of muscle girls they cant give a reason.

I feel its horny nerd syndrome. These guys think boobs are cool, and want to put them on models to make up for their lack of sexual activity. I could be wrong on this, but everyone ive met who wants female marines is sex starved and horny. Thats why im completely opposed to the idea. If you have a legitimate reason for it go ahead. But more boobs is just lame.

While I don't think there should be Female Space Marines.....I find this argument small minded and amazingly lame.

How can YOU!! who plays with small toy soldiers (like the rest of us) gets all worked up about fluff discrepancy (like the rest of us) have the bare faced cheek to even utter the word "nerd"......not to mention running down someones idea on the basis of their sexual activity?!?! WTF is that all about?

News Flash, this is a fantasy setting, so why have we decided that a female Space Marine needs to be musclar and unattractive? Who gave you the master key to the OPs imagination? Why couldn't a Female Space Marine be based on Xena Warrior Princess....or take Buffy the Vampire slayer, did she have muscle issues....ohh, but everyone readily accepts those fantasy settings without batting an eyelid....strange that! I don't remember Wonder Woman or any of the female Marvel Super-heroes having a problem with body image.....I could run you a whole list of women, who have "fantasy" super human powers, being portrayed quite well with a feminine figure and not a dyke half way through the op to become a man!

My god, this is fantasy....which means, its a hobby where you can express your fantasy within a given context.....I'm a man, I like women, hell I married one, I think about women (alot) and I enjoy imagining various scenarios where women are part of it! Someone wanting women to feature in their fantasy setting is not strange, or twisted.....I'd argue thats what this is all about.

If we followed your logic, then given the degree of slaughter, bigotry and destruction displayed in your average wargame, we must all be closet serial killing, Nazi, terrorists......hell, and there was me thinking I was just having some fun with friends......

@Delephont- Of course nerds have limits! Sure we play with little plastic army men. Does that mean we're not allowed to condemn what we view as the lunatic fringe of our society? RPG nerds have the same split when it comes to trans-gender role playing. Sure you could... but why would you want to?

Oddly, there's no bias for a game or dungeon master impersonating females. After all, that's their job. No one's saying that folks who play Sisters of Battle are sex-crazed teenage boys. If you like the rules and fluff for that army, you must paint up the ladies and run with them.

In short, there is a difference in choosing an existing female race, and feminizing a male race. Is that difference sufficient to justify all this nerd rage? That is something everyone must answer for themselves. If you do sculpt triple Ds on power armor, expect a great many pointed looks, some drama, and a whole lot of awkward questions. Then again, the same thing would happen if you decided to give a Defiler a low-slung battlecannon and devote it to Slaanesh (I'd imagine you know which one I'm talking about). There is something odd about grafting exaggerated sexual parts to your minis.

Delephont wrote:
While I don't think there should be Female Space Marines...

This begs the question why you defend the possibility of FSM in every thread about the non-existant FSM....?

Delephont wrote:
Why couldn't a Female Space Marine be based on Xena Warrior Princess....or take Buffy the Vampire slayer, did she have muscle issues....ohh, but everyone readily accepts those fantasy settings without batting an eyelid..

Maybe not everyone accepts the settings ?


I think the major point here is:

-where are the female orks threads ?
-where are the female tyranids threads ?
-where are the female necrons threads ?

None of them appear. So its acceptable to leave some ideas alone but space marines must be changed to fit a fluff-incompatible POV?

As long as this is 40k background, any denial of things contradicting the available background sources is acceptable.

Still voting for female IG.

1hadhq wrote:

Delephont wrote:
While I don't think there should be Female Space Marines...

This begs the question why you defend the possibility of FSM in every thread about the non-existant FSM....?

Simple answer....I defend the idea, because I don't agree with a bunch of internet heroes trying to bully someone else into their narrow minded and limited ideals on what constitues "healthy" Sci Fi fantasy....

I hope that answers your question!