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I wasn't the one that brought it up.

And you don't look like a moderator, either.

it's with consumers not understanding that wargaming has become an obscenely expensive niche hobby across the board

And GW is probably the one we have to thank for that, too. The reason why wargaming in general is expensive is because we all proved that we were willing to pay GW's prices, and now everyone else wants a piece of that pie so they're being just as ridiculous with their own pricing, since they know what they can get away with.

I don't understand how a model's looks are irrelevant to a pricing discussion. I would pay more for a better looking model rather than less for an ugly one. This rather basic principle isn't really confined to the world of table top wargaming, either . . .

One doesn't need to be a meterologist to know when it's raining, either.

Sidstyler wrote:

it's with consumers not understanding that wargaming has become an obscenely expensive niche hobby across the board

And GW is probably the one we have to thank for that, too. The reason why wargaming in general is expensive is because we all proved that we were willing to pay GW's prices, and now everyone else wants a piece of that pie so they're being just as ridiculous with their own pricing, since they know what they can get away with.

Labor costs have gone up, material costs have gone up, logistics costs have gone up. It makes no sense to pin everything down on some ham-fisted Games Workshop policy. In the end it doesn't even matter. This isn't a democracy, we don't get to change the way things are by demagoguery. To buy or not is the only choice consumers have. GW is time and again accused of looking out only for the bottom line, but when you're making business, that's the only metric that matters. They don't care that people hate the price of terminators if enough people still buy terminators.

You're definitely right there. These threads, along with the more general GW/FW bashing ones, are a bit silly. I mean, this is dakka. You're here for a reason.

No I suppose not, but it's still damn annoying when people pretend to be meteorologists.

To buy or not is the only choice consumers have.

Indeed, and I'm personally saying no to $80 models.

I mean, this is dakka. You're here for a reason.

THIS IS DAKKA!

Yeah, I'm here to bitch, complain, troll and argue. Like all the other GW "haters" here and everywhere else.

Yup the only way to change it is to not buy it , or organize enough gamers maybe by getting all the clubs to come together and refuse to buy GW for 6 months or a year , you will see them come to terms .

Sidstyler wrote:Indeed, and I'm personally saying no to $80 models.

I try to do the same. The last gaming models I bought new were a box of Steelhead Halberdiers, bought in part to support a new local gaming store. I try to buy as much models used as possible, and recommend it to others. I feel somewhat hypocritical at endorsing 40k to others by playing it at the store, however.

I'm going to have to say the FW Epic Bunker. Currently priced at £97,871.35

No joke.

The space marine bike squadron, £25 for three bikes. Or just buy them on their own and it becomes £18 altogather, 7 quid isn't worth the sprue for the 3 special weapons.

Any of these suggestion bought in Australia direct..

All Corporate apologising aside...
Yes, we all moan about the prices; I started playing in '92, when the cost of a land raider was $30. Last november, I bought my most recent Land Raider for $55. YES, I paid for it. YES, I bitched about it.
I think that at this point, complaining about game pricing is a largely philosophical exercise. We do it because we can, not because we truly believe that it's going to make a difference.
And, the price of Leisure activities/products has skyrocketed across all genres.
Example 1: In 1990, I bought the MB board game 'Axis and Allies' for $25 at my local Walmart.
Last week, I saw it in my local game store for $75. Difference? Avalon Hill.
Example 2. : In 1995, I paid $4.50 to see the movie 'Braveheart'
This summer, they wanted me to pay $9.25 to see transformers.
Example 3. : First run Space Hulk, (My first GW purchase ever!!) $44.99 in 1992.
Current release of Space Hulk... you get the picture.

The great money monkeys in the sky have determined that our Leisure activities are worth more to us now, so they charge what the market will bear. If they miss the price point, then their customers (us) will vote with our wallets and do something else. Rest assured, however, that we are getting a much better value than console Game afficionados. $70 for a game that will run out of steam in about a month, that draws no artistic value from the user, and probably won't be worth handing down to your kids... I'll stick with my overpriced toy soldiers.

Llamahead wrote:PP's models work out at $4.30 for a lead model while GW's Dire Avengers work out at $3 for a plastic model. Lead costs a lot more than plastic for production per unit. It therefore works out at slightly better value.....Although I do tend to look at other manufacturers before both these days!

do they print in very large letters that they lead? if not then they're not lead because lead can lead can mess you up. not many companies use leads any more because of this.


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this thread IMO is an auto fail.

reason? it's simple you can't really compare prices for things that are made with different materials (which are probably bought from different companies, unless the company make they're own) and made in defferent ways.

for instance. GW uses a high quality plastic (predominantly)because they don't want people to complain (though people still do, due to the cost) this increases the models cost.

FORGEWORLD on the otherhand use resin which from what i heard is somewhat expensive and hard to create models with(it's why you get miscasts more frequently) this pushes their cost up alot more than GW's cost increase.

PRIVATEER PRESS use pewter (afaik) which is more resiliant than plastic but i'm sure costs alot more. add in the fact that privateer press games use alot less models then the price goes up even more.

in short you cant really compare the products from GW/FW/PP

And, the price of Leisure activities/products has skyrocketed across all genres.
Example 1: In 1990, I bought the MB board game 'Axis and Allies' for $25 at my local Walmart.
Last week, I saw it in my local game store for $75. Difference? Avalon Hill.
Example 2. : In 1995, I paid $4.50 to see the movie 'Braveheart'
This summer, they wanted me to pay $9.25 to see transformers.
Example 3. : First run Space Hulk, (My first GW purchase ever!!) $44.99 in 1992.
Current release of Space Hulk... you get the picture.

It is called inflation. In 1920, you could buy a car for what we pay for a couple of boxes of termies, does that mean that prices on cars have skyrocketed? No, wages increase every year too, not just the prices. You also get much more in the boxes from GW now than before, and the switch to lots of plastics make army-building much cheaper, I'm betting that it wasn't actually any cheaper to buy 5 metal termies than it is to buy the current ones, and now you get lots of extra bits too.

The hobby is also made cheaper by the introduction of internet trading, you don't actually have to pay GW prices for most stuff

IyandenWarhost wrote:Baneblade. $90 for a plastic tank. ONE PLASTIC TANK!!!

Walk into any more traditional model shop and you'll occassionally see smaller plastic kits for more expensive. For the amount of pieces and size of the Baneblade, I have no problem paying that price for it.

Khornholio wrote:The prices here in Japan are extortionately high. With the exchange rate, a battleforce box, or battalion box for that matter is $136 US, $143 CAD, 83GBP. The Games Day mini is $34 US before tax
Last month, when the rates were different it was a lot higher. It is cheaper to buy from the UK discount stores and have it shipped here. Waiting 6 weeks kind of blows, but $40 difference is a lot over time.

As I am moving there next year, I guess I should buy a lot of stuff before I leave.

CadianXV wrote:I'm going to have to say the FW Epic Bunker. Currently priced at £97,871.35

No joke.

Is this some sort of typo...?

dunno but i'd love a link.

I think it's got to be vampire blood knights, £60 for 5 of them and they are about £15 each on their own I think O_o

I definitely second the Blood Knights. Five models for 80,- Euros

Never ever will I consider buying that.

I know, the reason I was given by the staff at GW for the price is it's metal

Then he said they where metal because no-one used them, Then I pointed out that maybe that no one uses them because they are £60?!!?

The epic bunker is as expensive as it is because they build a real, life sized bunker, and use experimental shrink ray technology to reduce it to epic scale.

Nice theory.... now I want a shrink ray dammit!

Great Unclean One wrote:I think it's got to be vampire blood knights, £60 for 5 of them and they are about £15 each on their own I think O_o

Ahzag the slaughterer of your wallet (as someone said it on the first page) the new models metal and cost £50 for 1 model!?!

O_O I just saw the page for the model, I think he wins... probably hands down but the blood knights come a definite second!

$80 after standard 20% discount isn't a bad price for a Baneblade, Shadowsword, or Stompa.

I own 3 such models, and don't feel bad about what I paid, though I did pay a bit less than $80 on average.

TheFirstBorn wrote:those vampire count horsemen which cost £50 for 5?

Great Unclean One wrote:I think it's got to be vampire blood knights, £60 for 5 of them and they are about £15 each on their own I think O_o

I was going to nominate the high elf dragon princes... $57.75 for 5 on the GW site. It seems like a lot of the fantasy calvary are quite expensive!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat50007&prodId=prod790864

Ogryns £12 odd and 5 are needs to a squad and a bone ead's £15 i think making a £63 squad bare minimum
or the forgeworld choas upgrade stuff £20 and then you need to buy the actuall squad to upgrade another £20
(prices before VAT reduction)

Someone tell me how to make a link (Im on a mac) and Ill happily provide one!

@statu: Thanks for the verification! Good, eh?

I've got to agree with that epic bunker being the most expensive, nearly £98,000, for two

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_EPIC_40_000_TERRAIN_28.html

I thought that the Forgeworld Chaos ogryns came as a full model, not a conversion kit O_o