Why hate Ultramarines

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**Lewismio**

when i started out i played ultra marines simply because they had the biggest variety of miniatures and i despised anyone who suggested necrons cause they had like 5 different units. if GW made variety for every army there would probably be more players and not all of them would be spacies.... to clarify i now follow da orkses WAAAAGH!

**Ketara**

You know H.B.M.C., you are the reason I read threads like this. I always get something that gives me a smile.

**Archonate**

H.B.M.C. wrote:No, because the circumstances and the method used were completely different. Calgar was very nearly killed the Avatar, and got lucky. Angelos simply climbed onto the Avatar and beat it to death with his power fist.

I see your point...

Angelos squared off with the gigantic Eldar Avatar holding it's blazing fiery gaze with his steely eyes as if coolly daring it to make the first move, though he knew it was no match for an Astartes. Gabriel's only concern was the monster's gargantuan sword, a full 3 metres in length, which burned with a fury that seemed to come from within. 'The Wailing Doom' the xenos called it. He hefted his trusty plasma fist, reassured by it's weight and the way it thrummed with ancient power. With such a weapon of the Emperor, he knew he could win this fight.
What the Avatar didn't realize was that Isador Akios was tiptoeing up behind it. Before the fiery abomination could surge forward and begin its attack on Angelos, Isador grabbed its elbows and locked his arms behind the Avatar's back, pinning the blazing creature to his chest. The Wailing Doom fell from the Avatar's grasp and clattered uselessly to the ground as the Avatar shrieked and thrashed helplessly in the powerful embrace of the mighty Librarian.
Gabriel seized the moment and quickly began punching the towering fiery demon in the stomach repeatedly with his fully charged plasma fist until it vomited magma onto the ground. Akios released his grip and the Avatar fell to it's hands and knees sobbing. It knew it was defeated. Gabriel stared disdainfully down at the sad monstrosity before him. He reached into his holster and produced his multi-laspistol. He held it against the head of the Avatar and exclaimed, 'Pathetic.' He discharged a single round into its skull and the Avatar shuddered and slumped over, it's body crumbling to gray ashes. Gabriel turned to Isador and said "Now, old friend, let's hunt some Ork...

Okay, maybe that's not exactly how it happened. Maybe I just made all that up. But that's pretty much the feeling I was left with after reading about that fight and the disappointing, ignominious death of the Avatar. Not a bad impersonation of Goto though, eh?

**Iron_Chaos_Brute**

Archonate wrote:

Angelos squared off with the gigantic Eldar Avatar holding it's blazing fiery gaze with his steely eyes as if coolly daring it to make the first move, though he knew it was no match for an Astartes. Gabriel's only concern was the monster's gargantuan sword, a full 3 metres in length, which burned with a fury that seemed to come from within. 'The Wailing Doom' the xenos called it. He hefted his trusty plasma fist, reassured by it's weight and the way it thrummed with ancient power. With such a weapon of the Emperor, he knew he could win this fight.
What the Avatar didn't realize was that Isador Akios was tiptoeing up behind it. Before the fiery abomination could surge forward and begin its attack on Angelos, Isador grabbed its elbows and locked his arms behind the Avatar's back, pinning the blazing creature to his chest. The Wailing Doom fell from the Avatar's grasp and clattered uselessly to the ground as the Avatar shrieked and thrashed helplessly in the powerful embrace of the mighty Librarian.
Gabriel seized the moment and quickly began punching the towering fiery demon in the stomach repeatedly with his fully charged plasma fist until it vomited magma onto the ground. Akios released his grip and the Avatar fell to it's hands and knees sobbing. It knew it was defeated. Gabriel stared disdainfully down at the sad monstrosity before him. He reached into his holster and produced his multi-laspistol. He held it against the head of the Avatar and exclaimed, 'Pathetic.' He discharged a single round into its skull and the Avatar shuddered and slumped over, it's body crumbling to gray ashes. Gabriel turned to Isador and said "Now, old friend, let's hunt some Ork...

Okay, maybe that's not exactly how it happened. Maybe I just made all that up. But that's pretty much the feeling I was left with after reading about that fight and the disappointing, ignominious death of the Avatar. Not a bad impersonation of Goto though, eh?

And here I thought for a minute that it was a direct quote

**starbomber109**

And the whole Marysue Calgar doesn't help.

You know, thinking about the Ultras Special characters, I'm thinking Sicarius is worthy of more "OMG MARY SUE" than Calgar is, he BORROWED 1st company terminators, has five titles, is a tactical genius on par with CREEEEED, and he somehow held off necrons with EMPTY DROP PODS.

**Zason**

Go look at Papa SMurf, then go look at all the other Chapter Masters.

Also, we hate it because GW endorses them, you see more SMurf fluff/stuff more than any other.

**H.B.M.C.**

Archonate wrote:But that's pretty much the feeling I was left with after reading about that fight and the disappointing, ignominious death of the Avatar.

I felt the same way after Angelos felled Lord Bane with... a Chainsword.

Archonate wrote:Not a bad impersonation of Goto though, eh?

Not enough MULTI-LAZORS!!

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:And here I thought for a minute that it was a direct quote

I gotto say (gotto say? Goto? AHAHAH!) that I was fooled at first as well. It's been a while since I read Dawn of War, and the way it started was so... similar.

**Hawkins**

In the fluff, its an Ultra that comprises the ridgid structure and the breakup of the chapters into smaller units. alot of the chapters lost alot of individuality because of that. i dont hate the chapter for that, but i like going my own way and the UM's are against that.
also they didnt protect the Emprah, and came up with some lame arse excuse why. Last their blue and act like Feudal lords.
i much prefer the Salamanders, old Mentors, and griffon leigon. (my Favs)

**CountCross**

Theres not as much conflict againts the ultras as there should be. In the DA and SW codex there's conflict for good reason, for the ultras it's bland and uneventful, and there should at least be one SM chapter that hates the ultras. Wouldn't be too hard for GW to find something, we gave them plenty reasons why their fluff should get on the nerves of other marines.

**combatmedic**

CountCross wrote:Theres not as much conflict againts the ultras as there should be. In the DA and SW codex there's conflict for good reason, for the ultras it's bland and uneventful, and there should at least be one SM chapter that hates the ultras. Wouldn't be too hard for GW to find something, we gave them plenty reasons why their fluff should get on the nerves of other marines.

To bad GW decided all the fluff that makes the DA interesting has been taken out from both DA and SW codexs...

**Brother SRM**

combatmedic wrote:
To bad GW decided all the fluff that makes the DA interesting has been taken out from both DA and SW codexs...

I'm guessing you mean "The Lion and the Wolf"? That's still in both, although the rules for it are long gone.

**CountCross**

combatmedic wrote:
To bad GW decided all the fluff that makes the DA interesting has been taken out from both DA and SW codexs...

That and the dozen of chapters that deserve their own codex because of their fluff. DOW is basically all the fluff you would need for a Blood raven codex. Hell, Ultramarines should have a codex of thier own and not be put with the other SM, they would have a special rule that places them on another table during fights and it forces other SM players to stand in their place, that way its loyal to the fluff. As grankobot said earlier they're always across the galaxy... Which explains why they have the most heroes, they never fight so the hero never dies.

**BAN**

i dislike them, they're really annoyingly up thereselves...too goody two shoes
like superman they'r not cool
batman is cool coz he's dark and tormented like blood angels
blood angels=batman=cool
ultramarines=superman=annoying

**Tyras**

There are numerous chapters, several with their own codex, but GW insists on plastering every product for the Space Marine Line with the blue armored vanilla marines. Ok, they came up with the Codex Astartes, we get it. Now lets get a little variety.

**Beastajg**

I dont have a problem with ultramarines.To me it goes like this, if they dont give hell on the battle field then Im ok.