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Did anyone here say "kill everyone without a trial?" No. So I kindly ask that you stop putting words in other peoples mouths and zip it.

Yes. I would love to kill this guy. Put a mossberg 500 in his mouth without a choke and pull the trigger. He is scum and does not deserve to live the rest of his days in a padded cell on a funny farm somewhere after killing 4 cops in cold blood.

Wat?

Do I respect the laws? Yes.
Do I feel that this guy should be tried by them? No. He gave up his rights the second he killed 4 cops. 4 cops.... Dead.... blown away sitting in a coffee shop typeing away...

You conflict yourself better than any person I've ever seen.

Im sorry Shuma, cannot hear you over the sound of the 4 dead policemen, and the families crying out for justice.

You can hear the dead?

jp400 wrote:I was thinking more a marketing promo for em.

Mossberg!

The gun that won the west!

Er...wait.

I just can't justify that sort of use for a fine American fierarm I'd like to have if someone gave me one. Its just...wrong...

And Shuma just won the "I can't read sarcasm" award!

*GolfClap*

**Sigh**

Modquisition timeout. A reminder lets all be mellow to fellow posters. No one's crossed that line yet so lets keep it that way please.

jp400 wrote:And Shuma just won the "I can't read sarcasm" award!

*GolfClap*

**Sigh**

Sarcasm doesn't have a special font, it just looks like everything else you type, which in your case is pretty wacky sometimes, it's hard to pull out.

The only thing that hard for you to pull out I think is your head from your 4th point of contact.

Teeheehee.

Pull out.

ONE MORE TIME.
CEASEFIRE SHUMA/JP400. You can attack each other's arguments and lack of fashion sense, but not other posters directly.

Also:



says chill out.

Kanluwen wrote:Teeheehee.

Pull out.

Yeah I saw that before hitting the submit button. I kept it in.

Also, Frazz: I saw you're using my Russian Bear photo for locking threads.

I swooned a little.

yes special threads deserve that special pic. Thanks again bigK.

[quote=JohnHwangDD Cops have built up a bad rep, and are the easy targets of percived power abuse.

Well, they're not good guys like firefighters who you can see saving your house. Or doctors who actually do something to actively make you better when you're sick. Or even the phone monkey who can cut you a break on a late fee to put a little cash back in your pocket.

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Da Boss wrote:Oh, if he tries to fight by all means shoot him.

Unless there is incontrovertible (video and witnessed) proof that he's not fighting, he will be shot, and the police will report that he fought and resisted and they had to "justifably" shoot (i.e. murder) the suspect. That's how we do things in the USA!
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Kanluwen wrote:I doubt they'll have to plant it, but eh.

I'm just hoping nobody else gets killed because of this nutter, the last reports having put him in the vicinity of a college campus are...worrying to say the least, and with an armed and delusional suspect it could end very badly.

It'll end badly for at least one black guy... Hopefully, only the guy the cops have fingered, and hopefully, he's actually guilty of what he's going to be kille for.

But it's entirely possible that he's ditched the gun, so one of the cops will simply plant it as a matter of course.
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Frazzled wrote:If he even blinks funny thats a justifiable shoot at this point.

His best luck really is to get cornered so that there's lots of people and he can agree to come out with his hands up in a clam manner with the police also in a calm manner.

You forgot to put "justifiable" in quotes, because we all know the cops are going to murder the guy and hide behind their badges.

The only crowd that's going to save him is one with Gates on his left and Farrakhan on his right, with CBS news covering the whole thing.
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BrookM wrote:I've seen an officer give a quick statement on TV about how the bad guy wasn't in his house any more. You could see that he was furious and frustrated. Most if not all of the involved cops on the case are probably feeling that way.

Of course they are. If he was alone in the house, they could have shot him dead without any cameras or witnesses and completely swept the murder under the rug.

You do realize that the media was all over their asses at the house in question right?

There's no way they could have pulled off what you're talking about, outside of killing the media members too.

Frazzled wrote:If he even blinks funny thats a justifiable shoot at this point.

His best luck really is to get cornered so that there's lots of people and he can agree to come out with his hands up in a clam manner with the police also in a calm manner.

You forgot to put "justifiable" in quotes, because we all know the cops are going to murder the guy and hide behind their badges.

The only crowd that's going to save him is one with Gates on his left and Farrakhan on his right, with CBS news covering the whole thing.

Respectfully, thats bull t. I've seen the police pull in cop killers in that past. If Texas cops can do it Washington cops can do it.
We do not "all know the cops are going to murder the guy." Thats your opinion only.

Before anyone does any murdering or arresting they need to catch the guy first.

JohnHwangDD wrote:You forgot to put "justifiable" in quotes, because we all know the cops are going to murder the guy and hide behind their badges.

The only crowd that's going to save him is one with Gates on his left and Farrakhan on his right, with CBS news covering the whole thing.

Geez... those bad, bad policemen trying to get this poor innocent misunderstood soul. I bet they just want to kill him because he's black. Has nothing to do with him gunning down four duly sworn and appointed Officers of the Law, nope.

@Kaneluwen: Can cameras see thru walls? Nope.

"Blam-Blam Blam-Blam-Blam-Blam-Blam-Blam Blam-Blam-Blam"

"he was going for his gun, and we had no choice..."
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@Fraz: I have no problem whatsoever with cops murdering a cop killer. In fact, I"m all for it. What goes around, comes around. And it saves the good taxpayers money.

I just don't like pretending that it's ever actually justified without seeing incontrovertible evidence. Particularly when it's a black guy accused of killing white cops. Whenever I see that, I think "lynch mob with badges"
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@Git: has it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers that he's actually the triggerman?

Except you have the entire cafe, cameras outside, etc saying that he walked up to them. You have the forensics showing, once again, that it was an ambush.

And I'd wager more than a few of the news crews could have gotten their hands on thermal imaging cameras. Hell, if I can do it...I'd bet some crazy media folk could.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@Kaneluwen: Can cameras see thru walls? Nope.

"Blam-Blam Blam-Blam-Blam-Blam-Blam-Blam Blam-Blam-Blam"

"he was going for his gun, and we had no choice..."
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@Fraz: I have no problem whatsoever with cops murdering a cop killer. In fact, I"m all for it. What goes around, comes around. And it saves the good taxpayers money.

I just don't like pretending that it's ever actually justified without seeing incontrovertible evidence. Particularly when it's a black guy accused of killing white cops. Whenever I see that, I think "lynch mob with badges"
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@Git: has it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers that he's actually the triggerman?

I do and again I am saying thats your opinion. I will not agree. Many cops will want that-they are people too (unless someone gives me a ticket then arghhh!!!). But I am not going to go there and say they are going to do that, that their professionalism will sway their understandable human emotion here.

Course I am a bag of contradictions believing the phrase "there's no justice, just us."

@Fraz: Yeah, I know how it is.

I hope they get the guy who actually did it, and I hope that guy fries for it.

I also hope that they don't also get caught up and nail the wrong guy just because he happens to be black.

Kanluwen wrote:Except you have the entire cafe, cameras outside, etc saying that he walked up to them. You have the forensics showing, once again, that it was an ambush.

And I'd wager more than a few of the news crews could have gotten their hands on thermal imaging cameras. Hell, if I can do it...I'd bet some crazy media folk could.

It shouldn't be too hard to secure a conviction, then.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

I also hope that they don't also get caught up and nail the wrong guy just because he happens to be black.

I agree with that, at all times.

If he's plaid though, all bets are off. Plaid people probably eat Haggis.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except you have the entire cafe, cameras outside, etc saying that he walked up to them. You have the forensics showing, once again, that it was an ambush.

And I'd wager more than a few of the news crews could have gotten their hands on thermal imaging cameras. Hell, if I can do it...I'd bet some crazy media folk could.

It shouldn't be too hard to secure a conviction, then.

You'd think so, but then you have the disease/mental defect issue coming in, along with the jury contamination, and I doubt you'd be able to find ANY judge in Washington state that's impartial enough to hear the case.

I'd rather not see him get off on a technicality. That already has happened. Look how well that ended, eh?

They are your laws. If you think they are wrong, campaign to change them.

He didn't get off on a technicality previously. His sentence was commuted by a governor/preacher with a misplaced (in this case) sense of Christian mercy.

"He had a lengthy prison sentence commuted in 2000 by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who cited Clemmons' youth."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577845,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r1:c0.000000:b0:z5



Technicality. He had a 100 year sentence commuted to 47 years, a few months and days, which then made him eligible for parole.

The good thing about this is that Huckabee is now unelectable, having committed a Dukakis.

Also, ladies and gentlemen...

It's now premeditated. One of his close relatives told investigators that he would "be on the news tommorow" the day before the shooting.