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Kanluwen wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I take it that you don't support the 8th amendment to the Constitution.

What does

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

have to do with anything?

He's a wanted criminal, has a criminal record, and just shot four law enforcement officers for no apparent reason.
He hasn't been arrested, so there's no excessive bail or fines being imposed. He hasn't been charged with the crimes, so there's no cruel and unusual punishments being inflicted.

There's just him on the run from LEOs who can say that he "was reaching for a weapon" and have a nice, neatly wrapped up justifiable police shooting.

It has to do with him being put to a very painful, lingering death, which was suggested by jp400.

He hasn't been charged with the crimes, so there's no cruel and unusual punishments being inflicted.

That technically makes it an extrajudicial killing, and possible manslaughter or murder. I think his point is that people in these threads tend to get their jollies from the bloodsport of the spectacle and completely debase the concepts of justice law enforcement. Deny legal proceedings and you deny what it is that makes our method of law enforcement work.

He deserves to die honestly, but sadly the news announced he wasn't in the house. I used to live in the town where this incident happend, and I have a lot of buddies form the army who went into the lakewood PD. These people are enforcing OUR laws. Weather you like it or not every day citizens voted all of these laws at one point or time into existance and tasked these brave men and women with enforcing them. I have gotten a $100.00 speeding ticket before, and when pulled over the cop asked me if I knew what I did, I said i'm guessing I was speeding. I was and you know what I thanked him for doing his job paid the ticket without a single grip, and said well I was the one who broke the law not the cop. I just got caught doing it and as a man would accepted my punishment. If you bitch and grip about cops you honestly are stupid as you know what you broke the law not them. They are just protecting the people who aren't breaking the law. No cop deserves what these four got, and it saddens me immensely and wish nothing more then to have this baby(he's no man) with the teardrop on his eye strug up and then be tortured by the families of the four victims as he deserves it in my opinon. He took away parents, I mean has anyone read about how many children each of them had.

Im not suggesting anything... Im flat out saying this guy needs a slow pain filled death.

Beat him, stab him, let him burn to death I care not. So long as he suffers before he expires.

True. But there comes a time where you have to also realize that law enforcement officers are people too, and that always seems to be glossed over in these sorts of threads too.

But I digress. The moment he shot four officers in cold blood, he signed his own death warrant either way. I'm just waiting to see his family and the anti-police goon squad we have here on Dakka start clamoring that he's just "misunderstood" or that the officers drew on him first.


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That comment was @ Shuma. Too many posts between the two can be bad.

Or that the the police brought it upon themselfs and that they are over reacting to this misguided mans actions, and that the 4th cop should have waited for paramedics to assess his 3 buddies vitals before he reacted to the shooter, cause he couldnt be REALLY SURE of his intent to inflict harm upon them.

In cases like this I prefer things to be done by the book because the system those cops stood and died for must be shown to work.
I share people's disgust and anger but I would hope that we are above all that as a society.

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jp400 wrote:Or that the the police brought it upon themselfs and that they are over reacting to this misguided mans actions, and that the 4th cop should have waited for paramedics to assess his 3 buddies vitals before he reacted to the shooter, cause he couldnt be REALLY SURE of his intent to inflict harm upon them.

Or perhaps that he should be dealt with in accordance with the laws of the United States of America.

The only law that applies here is the Colt and Smith & Wesson Act of 1800!

That's what the guy that shot those cops thought, too.

True. But there comes a time where you have to also realize that law enforcement officers are people too, and that always seems to be glossed over in these sorts of threads too.

Tell that to JP, who I can only assume would love to tear the dudes throat out with his own teeth. The anti police goon squad only show up in reaction to the "KILL EVERYONE WITHOUT A TRIAL" squad. Not that I'm in either, I just wish you people had more respect for the laws you live under. Just because he's suspected of breaking the law doesn't mean judge dredd gets to put a bullet in his face. The severity of the infraction is meaningless, it's the laws duty to detain and try all those suspected of committing a crime. Should a jury of their peers find them guilty then a judge provides a sentence fitting the severity of the crime.

When you cut out all that and just throw in "kill him before the trial" every time one of these fething threads come up you just look like a bloodthirsty child.

No, he thought he was Jesus, that the world was going to end and enjoyed forcing his wife and younger relatives to undress in front of him.

There's no way this goes to a serious trial, if only because if they bring him in he'd be able to get off on disease/mental defect.

Hell, he already got pardoned in 2003 because of his "young age when he committed the crime".

jp400 wrote:The only law that applies here is the Colt and Smith & Wesson Act of 1800!

Commonly known as the Peacemaker Act?

Everyone's following the law but the BG here. As noted I think there are reports said BG wasn't in the house.



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Da Boss wrote:That's what the guy that shot those cops thought, too.

Probably not. Its hard to get a good Colt these days.

ShumaGorath wrote:

True. But there comes a time where you have to also realize that law enforcement officers are people too, and that always seems to be glossed over in these sorts of threads too.

Tell that to JP, who I can only assume would love to tear the dudes throat out with his own teeth. The anti police goon squad only show up in reaction to the "KILL EVERYONE WITHOUT A TRIAL" squad. Not that I'm in either, I just wish you people had more respect for the laws you live under. Just because he's suspected of breaking the law doesn't mean judge dredd gets to put a bullet in his face. The severity of the infraction is meaningless, it's the laws duty to detain and try all those suspected of committing a crime. Should a jury of their peers find them guilty then a judge provides a sentence fitting the severity of the crime.

When you cut out all that and just throw in "kill him before the trial" every time one of these fething threads come up you just look like a bloodthirsty child.

Once again:

Nobody's saying kill him before the trial.

Most of us are saying he WILL be killed before the trial. Either by justifiable police homicide, bleeding out from his wounds, or "justifiable" police homicide.

The rest of us are just saying we'd rather that didn't happen and the system did it's job for once.
Idealists vs realists maybe?

Except in this case the system already hasn't done its job. The guy should have been sitting in prison, but hey. He was just too young when he had his first sentencing.

I know, believe me it pisses me off too. I'd like for them to get it RIGHT for once, give us a good justice story to look at.
Goddamn judges piss me off. My da could tell you some stories that'd make your blood boil.

Da Boss wrote:The rest of us are just saying we'd rather that didn't happen and the system did it's job for once.
Idealists vs realists maybe?

Whats the problem here? That is the system.

He is a fugitive. His past history indicates overwhelmingly this will end in a shoot out. If he does not resist, if he turns himself in, then he's not going to be shot. But because he is now "suspected" with winning a shootout with FOUR COPS then all other law enforcement are going to come for him with guns drawn and safeties off, presuming a firefight, as is painfully reasonable in these circumstances. If he wants this to end peacfully he will have to take extra care )That whole presumed armed and dangerous). Whats the issue here?

Kanluwen wrote:Nobody's saying kill him before the trial.

Most of us are saying he WILL be killed before the trial.

Either by justifiable police homicide, bleeding out from his wounds, or "justifiable" police homicide.

I'm going with the last, with "justifiable" being an absolute mockery of the word.

He'll be shot dead with a hot gun planted in his hand if the cops have to...


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Frazzled wrote:He is a fugitive. His past history indicates overwhelmingly this will end in a shoot out. If he does not resist, if he turns himself in, then he's not going to be shot. But because he is now "suspected" with winning a shootout with FOUR COPS then all other law enforcement are going to come for him with guns drawn and safeties off, presuming a firefight, as is painfully reasonable in these circumstances. If he wants this to end peacfully he will have to take extra care )That whole presumed armed and dangerous). Whats the issue here?

Of course, it's entirely possible the police will finger the wrong guy and rush to judgement with the cameras off.

Wouldn't be the first time, wouldn't be the last.

I'd just hate to be a black guy anywhere in Washington state right now.

Oh, if he tries to fight by all means shoot him. If he surrenders, then he surrenders. I doubt he will, as it seems he's a mental case. So yeah, he'll probably get shot. It would be better if that didn't have to happen though, not least because there's less risk to innocent policemen that way.

I may be a pansy liberal, but I'm not THAT much of a pansy liberal.

Nobody's saying kill him before the trial.

I'm pretty sure JP400 is, though most of my posts are basically roundabout responses to him, sorry if they seem to paint the whole thread. The threads been pretty civil so far, with the exception of all the flamebaiting at the "anti police goon squad" which I'm still fairly certain doesn't exist.

@ Da Boss: Easy sport, if I want boiling blood I'd bed a psyker.

I doubt they'll have to plant it, but eh.

I'm just hoping nobody else gets killed because of this nutter, the last reports having put him in the vicinity of a college campus are...worrying to say the least, and with an armed and delusional suspect it could end very badly.

I've seen an officer give a quick statement on TV about how the bad guy wasn't in his house any more. You could see that he was furious and frustrated. Most if not all of the involved cops on the case are probably feeling that way.

I don't think so. I don't think that would be required. If he even blinks funny thats a justifiable shoot at this point. His best luck really is to get cornered so that there's lots of people and he can agree to come out with his hands up in a clam manner with the police also in a calm manner.

ShumaGorath wrote:

True. But there comes a time where you have to also realize that law enforcement officers are people too, and that always seems to be glossed over in these sorts of threads too.

Tell that to JP, who I can only assume would love to tear the dudes throat out with his own teeth. The anti police goon squad only show up in reaction to the "KILL EVERYONE WITHOUT A TRIAL" squad. Not that I'm in either, I just wish you people had more respect for the laws you live under. the law doesn't mean judge dredd gets to put a bullet in his face. The severity of the infraction is meaningless, it's the laws duty to detain and try all those suspected of committing a crime. Should a jury of their peers find them guilty then a judge provides a sentence fitting the severity of the crime.

When you cut out all that and just throw in "kill him before the trial" every time one of these fething threads come up you just look like a bloodthirsty child.

Sigh,
Yes. I would love to kill this guy. Put a mossberg 500 in his mouth without a choke and pull the trigger. He is scum and does not deserve to live the rest of his days in a padded cell on a funny farm somewhere after killing 4 cops in cold blood.

Did anyone here say "kill everyone without a trial?" No. So I kindly ask that you stop putting words in other peoples mouths and zip it.

Do I respect the laws? Yes.
Do I feel that this guy should be tried by them? No. He gave up his rights the second he killed 4 cops. 4 cops.... Dead.... blown away sitting in a coffee shop typeing away...

So now we are "You people".... funny that.

"Just because he's suspected of breaking the law doesn't mean judge dredd gets to put a bullet in his face. The severity of the infraction is meaningless..." Im sorry Shuma, cannot hear you over the sound of the 4 dead policemen, and the families crying out for justice. Perhaps you should tell that to them face to face that the killers actions were meaningless.

jp400 wrote:
Sigh,
Yes. I would love to kill this guy. Put a mossberg 500 in his mouth without a choke and pull the trigger.

Sigh myself

Son you don't treat a quality firearm like a Mossberg like that, what do you think it is, a Llama?

I was thinking more a marketing promo for em.

Mossberg!

The gun that won the west!

Er...wait.

A crime is a crime, you don't get to throw the system out the window because it is heinous. And no one is gonna complain if the guy refuses to surrender and gets shot. Hell, to be honest I could understand him getting shot before he has a chance too, what I'm saying is I hope that doesn't happen.

Oh and P.S Frazz,

You can get a good quality Colt these days! You have seen the proof already via Pm!