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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577765,00.html

I didn't want to bring the coffee shop shootings up because it seemed too sad.

It would save a trial.

A sad, sad thing indeed.

This has me wondering just WTH is going on in Seattle. It wasn't too long ago that some guy walked up to a cop and wasted him in the middle of the street.

Cops have built up a bad rep, and are the easy targets of percived power abuse. Somebody with a grudge against cops can do bad things.

....waiting for some dolt to come in and start spouting off about how somhow the cops were negligent, caused the situation, or how the perp didnt deserve death....

Deadshane1 wrote:....waiting for some dolt to come in and start spouting off about how somhow the cops were negligent, caused the situation, or how the perp didnt deserve death....

Or try to excuse the Arkansas govn. that gave the guy clemency. Grr!

I actually thought it was a cartel hit or hit to send a message before this story popped up. I am a bit surprised.

Murdering, child raping, cop killer, surrounded by a SWAT team?

Say goodnight. Some .223 is going to find its way into his skull.

Beowulfen wrote:Or try to excuse the Arkansas govn. that gave the guy clemency. Grr!

Yeah, I never would have thought granting clemency to a guy would be the thing to sink Huckabee.


Meanwhile, my heart goes out to the friends and family of the officers. It's one thing to lose someone you love in an act of violence, it's another entirely to lose them in such a senseless act.

sebster wrote:

Meanwhile, my heart goes out to the friends and family of the officers. It's one thing to lose someone you love in an act of violence, it's another entirely to lose them in such a senseless act.

Word

Seconded.

Bad News:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091130/ap_on_re_us/us_officers_shot;_ylt=AmPMy_w1WWYMzSqc2ZUsIous0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNnMGs0c2FvBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTMwL3VzX29mZmljZXJzX3Nob3QEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMyBHBvcwM4BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNwb2xpY2VzdXNwZWM-

sexiest_hero wrote:Cops have built up a bad rep, and are the easy targets of percived power abuse.

Somebody with a grudge against cops can do bad things.

Well, they're not good guys like firefighters who you can see saving your house. Or doctors who actually do something to actively make you better when you're sick. Or even the phone monkey who can cut you a break on a late fee to put a little cash back in your pocket.

For the most part, cops have a deservedly bad rep just based on the nature of their job. They're giving $100+ tickets for going the same speed as everybody else, and nobody likes that. Plus, cops have been actually known to abuse their power. That's easily seen when minorities get profiled and arrested. I actually know a guy who was arrested and beaten by cops - was the wrong guy to have been stopped, and ultimately won damages for the abuse. That's BS that nobody should have to stand for. And by protecting their own against valid citizen complaints or investigations, well, that's tacit approval of power abuse by one and all.


In this particular case, somebody with a grudge *did* do bad things.

Bad things which were preventable. He was behind bars, but was paroled by some slow.
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@Altered Soul: At this point, Clemmons has no choice but to take as many cops down as he can - they're going to kill him, that's for sure.

The only way he lives to see trial is if he can get to the FBI before the police get to him.

He fething got away? Manhunt and ten to one he's not brought in alive.

The suspect is surrounded in a house and is thought may already have died from a wound inflicted by one of his victims.

I don't see the FBI taking him in alive either, at this point.

Yeesh and right at the holiday season to boot.

Hope justice is served quickly and harshly.

Lets send in the robot with a live feed into the house. If he is inside.... Then throw a smoke/CS nade onto the sofa and end this already.

Am I morbid for noting that this all sounds very similar to the John Wilkes Boothe Lincoln assassination? He'll likely end up the same way too. Deserves as much.

Kanluwen wrote:I don't see the FBI taking him in alive either, at this point.

With the FBI, he's got a 50-50 chance of living to trial.

With the police - he's 100% guaranteed to die before trial.

Which odds would you take?

No, this fether needs to die a very slow and painfull death.

I honestly think that some old school frontier justice is whats needed in this case.

Its not a federal issue. Why would the FBI be involved?

The assumption with the FBI is that the(hereby referred to ONLY as) dumbass would prefer to take his chances of getting to trial by turning himself in to the FBI.

I take it that you don't support the 8th amendment to the Constitution.

KK,
The second this fether shot 4 cops in cold blood he gave up his rights.

Hell I would shoot the fether myself if they would let me.

Kanluwen wrote:The assumption with the FBI is that the(hereby referred to ONLY as) dumbass would prefer to take his chances
of getting to trial by turning himself in to the FBI.

Exactly.

Pretty much anything else ends with a bullet in the brainpan.

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@Fraz - if he can make it to the Oregon border, the FBI is automatically involved.

Kilkrazy wrote:I take it that you don't support the 8th amendment to the Constitution.

What does

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

have to do with anything?

He's a wanted criminal, has a criminal record, and just shot four law enforcement officers for no apparent reason.
He hasn't been arrested, so there's no excessive bail or fines being imposed. He hasn't been charged with the crimes, so there's no cruel and unusual punishments being inflicted.

There's just him on the run from LEOs who can say that he "was reaching for a weapon" and have a nice, neatly wrapped up justifiable police shooting.

That's pretty horrifying. My da was a policeman, and something like that happening was always the worst nightmare.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Cops have built up a bad rep, and are the easy targets of percived power abuse.

Somebody with a grudge against cops can do bad things.

Well, they're not good guys like firefighters who you can see saving your house. Or doctors who actually do something to actively make you better when you're sick. Or even the phone monkey who can cut you a break on a late fee to put a little cash back in your pocket.

For the most part, cops have a deservedly bad rep just based on the nature of their job. They're giving $100+ tickets for going the same speed as everybody else, and nobody likes that. Plus, cops have been actually known to abuse their power. That's easily seen when minorities get profiled and arrested. I actually know a guy who was arrested and beaten by cops - was the wrong guy to have been stopped, and ultimately won damages for the abuse. That's BS that nobody should have to stand for. And by protecting their own against valid citizen complaints or investigations, well, that's tacit approval of power abuse by one and all.


In this particular case, somebody with a grudge *did* do bad things.

Bad things which were preventable. He was behind bars, but was paroled by some slow.
____

@Altered Soul: At this point, Clemmons has no choice but to take as many cops down as he can - they're going to kill him, that's for sure.

The only way he lives to see trial is if he can get to the FBI before the police get to him.

He deserves to die honestly, but sadly the news announced he wasn't in the house. I used to live in the town where this incident happend, and I have a lot of buddies form the army who went into the lakewood PD. These people are enforcing OUR laws. Weather you like it or not every day citizens voted all of these laws at one point or time into existance and tasked these brave men and women with enforcing them. I have gotten a $100.00 speeding ticket before, and when pulled over the cop asked me if I knew what I did, I said i'm guessing I was speeding. I was and you know what I thanked him for doing his job paid the ticket without a single grip, and said well I was the one who broke the law not the cop. I just got caught doing it and as a man would accepted my punishment. If you bitch and grip about cops you honestly are stupid as you know what you broke the law not them. They are just protecting the people who aren't breaking the law. No cop deserves what these four got, and it saddens me immensely and wish nothing more then to have this baby(he's no man) with the teardrop on his eye strug up and then be tortured by the families of the four victims as he deserves it in my opinon. He took away parents, I mean has anyone read about how many children each of them had.