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1hadhq wrote:Since FW does produce ven dreads for some time and isn't done with this line yet, plus actually announces a space wolf
and a raven guard dread, i have to disagree.

That's the thing, though... If GW releases a Ven Dread, it'll be a generic one, or at best have a couple of variant Chapter badges. So there will still be a market for FW's Chapter-specific Dreads.

For that matter, unless GW's is identical to FW's, there would still be a market for a FW Generic Ven Dread anyway, since people like their variant models.


But even if there weren't, GW isn't going to choose to not produce a given model just because FW already has one.

insaniak wrote:
But even if there weren't, GW isn't going to choose to not produce a given model just because FW already has one.

I do doubt FW's independence a bit here, they would pull any identical kits off their catalogue like they did before
with IG kits.

So IMO, its the other way around. GW plans and FW obeys. A ven dread in plastic would interfere with any actual
"generic" FW dread. There is none of the rather prominent chapters left to cover without having the GW and the FW
kit to compete.

Until GW decides to cover those chapters they made shoulderpads for ( aurora, praetors, ....).

1hadhq wrote:

insaniak wrote:
But even if there weren't, GW isn't going to choose to not produce a given model just because FW already has one.

I do doubt FW's independence a bit here, they would pull any identical kits off their catalogue like they did before
with IG kits.

So IMO, its the other way around. GW plans and FW obeys. A ven dread in plastic would interfere with any actual
"generic" FW dread. There is none of the rather prominent chapters left to cover without having the GW and the FW
kit to compete.

Until GW decides to cover those chapters they made shoulderpads for ( aurora, praetors, ....).

You've got it backwards there.

Insaniak was saying that Games Workshop will, if they feel like it, make whatever they want--even if Forge World already has done it.

But point of contention: Forge World, while pulling the "basic" kits, have no qualms with doing variants. Look at the Basilisk for example. We've got the Vanaheim and Armageddon patterns--alongside the plain ol' Basilisk Lite.
If GW *were* to do a plastic Venerable Dreadnought kit, unless they actually flatout scanned in and included every single variation that Forge World currently makes...they'd let it be. They might make Forge World get rid of the Mk. IV by itself, but I don't see any reason for FW to lose the actual Chapter specific kits, especially given the level of detail on them.

Backwards?

Thougth i agreed that GW has the last say.

Could be the lack of specific info there tough.
A ven dread could be a deathcompany dread too, yes?

Maybe it's just a breakdown in communications.

We'll just say that: Forge World wouldn't do a generic Venerable Dreadnought if GW did one. That work?

I dunno about the Death Company bit though. We'll have to see about the Blood Angels' new codex to get an idea.

Slightly off topic here, but does the chaos pred have the same sponson problems as the loyalist one?

Since it's the same kit then I'd say it probably does.


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agnosto wrote:New crisis suits? Crap, I just finished painting my 12th one; I don't need any more for my army.

I don't care. I'll buy new ones to replace all of my old ones, and then buy about 6 more just because.

Although I regret saying that after seeing that they want to do another "mystery box" campaign. That kinda crap doesn't make me want to spend money on GW at all.

64mas wrote:Slightly off topic here, but does the chaos pred have the same sponson problems as the loyalist one?

The Chaos pred is a regular kit with an add-on sprue for spikey bits. So yes, it has the exact same problems with the sponsons.

Ok, thanks. :(

carmachu wrote:nervous to see what "concept" they came up with for WH.

All Sisters all the time!

Bye bye Ordo Hereticus!!!

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'd love to get a plastic Manticore kit, the Forgeworld one doesn't seem to me to be worth its price, and as an older kit, I've heard it has its fair share of problems regarding fit and so forth.

It has significant problems, not least of which is the fact that the main part that holds the turret to the Chimera hull isn't wide enough to go between the tracks, so you have to put extra bits of sprue and whatnot into the cavity to help prop up the top plate. Then there's the bad missiles, the terrible way they connect, the extra-flimsy missile fins that might as well be made of card-stock. Endless problems. But it's normal as the older FW models are virtually all terrible designs from a technical standpoint (aesthetically they're fine usually). The Manticore, and by extension the Hydra, fit into the same boat.

They do look cool once built though.

I dont care if they have to melt down every DE model to get the new BA book and models out..

Kirasu wrote:I dont care if they have to melt down every DE model to get the new BA book and models out..

BLASPHEMER! BURN THE HERETICAL EMO-MARINE-LOVING SCUM!

insaniak wrote:Meanwhile, Grey Knight 3-ups mean plastics... which is moderately interesting.

Not to burst any bubbles here, but 3-ups do not necessarily mean plastics. Almost all models are done in 3-up first, and careful re-reading in the first line of OP would reveal a hint that they will not be plastic.

Do not get me wrong, I would love plastic GK as much as anyone, but the realist in me figures it will be more along the lines of Ultramarines Veteran Squads, GW has done 3 different set up sculpts for the same unit, and I think any GK releases will be the same.

Cheers.

Lord Maleval wrote:Not to burst any bubbles here, but 3-ups do not necessarily mean plastics. Almost all models are done in 3-up first, and careful re-reading in the first line of OP would reveal a hint that they will not be plastic.

Nope. Metals are sculpted actual size. I won't say that all companies do it that way, but every one I know of does.

3-ups are only for plastic.

I thought with their new computer tech they didn't have to do 3ups any more?

I think they do both. Not up on the process, but I think the prototype is done 3-Up, allowing a 'hand finish' of details?

carmachu wrote:nervous to see what "concept" they came up with for WH.

Yup. Considering the last new Witch Hunter models created for the codex tended to be soem of the worse, I'm worried plastic base SoBs might be a little too far into the 'bondage nun' category.

So be it, I hope I am wrong about it, but stating "5 poses, 1HQ/leader" sounds less like plastic and more along the lines of what we currently have. "Poses" sounds very predetermined and static. Usually, plastics are referred to 'multi-part,multi-pose'. Then again, it is not like GW has ever releases pics or updates about minis that have never seen the light of day...oh wait, they have, pics of Kasrkin with shotguns and DE Haemonculi greens have been floating around for almost 4 years and nary a new mini in sight.

I will just file this under believe it when I see it.

Either way, Grey Knight Terminators are already some of the better models GW produces, so an update would hopefully look great.

Lord Maleval wrote:So be it, I hope I am wrong about it, but stating "5 poses, 1HQ/leader" sounds less like plastic and more along the lines of what we currently have. "Poses" sounds very predetermined and static. Usually, plastics are referred to 'multi-part,multi-pose'. Then again, it is not like GW has ever releases pics or updates about minis that have never seen the light of day...oh wait, they have, pics of Kasrkin with shotguns and DE Haemonculi greens have been floating around for almost 4 years and nary a new mini in sight.

I will just file this under believe it when I see it.

Erm, what?

You do realize that Terminators(of all flavors) come, 5 to a box right?
And that there are "5 poses, including 1 HQ/leader"?

It's entirely likely that, here, the label of "pose" was used inappropriately and refers to 5 different bodies to work from.

True enought that. Certainly for Fantasy kits, the legs and torso are being done as a single piece again (which is a mixed blessing. Great for ranking up, but makes conversions harder to achieve).

All I can really say is I hope they redo the Shadow Warriors and Alith Anar to be more like the description and cover art for Shadow King.

Enchanted bear pelt cloaks? Yes please.

Balance wrote:

carmachu wrote:nervous to see what "concept" they came up with for WH.

Yup. Considering the last new Witch Hunter models created for the codex tended to be soem of the worse, I'm worried plastic base SoBs might be a little too far into the 'bondage nun' category.

i may be speaking out of turn here, but I don't think that's the particular worry he's concerned about.

More like WH (and DH) are going to be 'reduced' to just Sisters and Grey Knights, for the most part.

The wonderful, glorious freak show that is the Inquisitorial Retinue is probably doomed, and probably some of the stranger troop selections as well...

BUT, given that GW has moved away from the extreme Jervishammer that was the Dark Angels, who knows?

Finding Shadowking quite heavy going meself. Think I'll have to re-read Malekith before crashing on any further. Quite confused as to the timeline!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
FINNALY!
-.-
Well at least they are finally getting rid of forge world because that makes people broke!
That and it will be less expensive. $50 for grey knights is stupid. hope they are finnaly getting a battle force. if so i'm going to buy it.
Hopefully they make Grey Knights All plastic. And up their Grand Masters because they suck right now. MORE GREY KNIGHT CHARACTERS!
how many characters do they have the inqusition 2? or 3?
Well any way i hope they finnaly come out with plastic stuff because metal hurts :*(.
Finnaly a Plastic ThunderHawk yeah! 100$ YEAH! wait nevermind.

I'll definitely pick up a plastic T-Hawk if its not ridiculously expensive. I like the interior detail the FW one has, but I'll gladly pass on it if it means Citadel can sell one at a reasonable price.

I'll pick up two if it comes with the parts to make a Thunderhawk Transporter.

1hadhq wrote:

insaniak wrote:
But even if there weren't, GW isn't going to choose to not produce a given model just because FW already has one.

I do doubt FW's independence a bit here, they would pull any identical kits off their catalogue like they did before
with IG kits.

So IMO, its the other way around. GW plans and FW obeys. A ven dread in plastic would interfere with any actual
"generic" FW dread. There is none of the rather prominent chapters left to cover without having the GW and the FW
kit to compete.

Until GW decides to cover those chapters they made shoulderpads for ( aurora, praetors, ....).

You do realise that Ultra-Marine, Space wolves, Black Templars, Dark angels, Red Scorpions, Raven Guard and Chaplain dreadnoughts are the only ones that Forge-World has done, there is a stupid number of chapters that don't have chapter specific Dreadnoughts; Salamanders, Fists (Crimson or Imperial), White Scars, Iron Hands. ( and these are only the founding chapters)

deitpike wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:No Killa Kanz, that's a shame.

well, he didn't see killa kans, but a little birdie mentioned them.....

Could you be a bit more specific, please.

If this is all true, I rejoice and my wallet weeps.

Neith wrote:

All I can say is I'm glad I'm not the one collecting WH The Exorcist is one of the few models where I'd rather convert it myself (or even buy the FW kit).

Many many other sister players did just that. I think John Swan had a neat conversion for one using old WW parts and immolator parts. I used that as a base and some typhoon launchers.