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**Balance**

Solorg wrote:Power Armor needs to be bulky? So you say! But in the future, I am sure they have ways to make armour light but strong. Heck, in our century we have Kevlar, so by the year 40K they would have to have some really awesome light-weight armour. If it must be 4+, so be it.

Kevlar isn't Power Armor... It's Flak, at best.

I see nothing wrong with making the Sisters a 4+ save, but I'd prefer it to be with the current models. The current models do look like ornate but functional amor for the most part. My personal opinion is that it's power armor, but has a lot less features and is a lot less resilient than Space Marine armor. "Power Armor = 3+" is just a weird 'GW-ism' that's never worked for me.

I wouldn't mind some resculpted heads on minis that are pretty close to the current ones (I.E. plastics). The hair is probably more of a 'key feature' than the scowl and jaw, in my mind. To me, the SoB look female, but also look very businesslike. They're not here to inflame men's passions, but to flame them.

Of course, if I was actively building and playing SoB these days I'd also be fielding Exorcists that look more like rocket launchers than pipe organs*. I like the over-the-top stuff, but to me that's best left to the Inquisition and Special characters, not the rank and file troops.

* I made one for an old Rhino with Landspeeder and Immolator parts. I might consider an idea I had where a Rhino is built with a vertically extended rear section detailed to look kind of like sub-launched missile tubes, with a bunch of cells each containing a large missile.

**Oldgrue**

Davor wrote:Why do SM have to be bulky and SoB be sleek? It goes against the fluff of what they are supose to be. Power Armour is suppose to be bulky.

The battle sister in the old RT book was armored but feminine.

**CT GAMER**

FlightMek wrote:@SgtRoadkill

Nice pics, man. Very cool!

Agreed.

**Brother SRM**

You guys are hilarious. I'm really trying to remember where this thread went from "Sisters models are missing!" to "16 year olds are HOT! Also, 14 is the age of consent!"

Could we get this back on topic? Or at least back to the idea of posting what we think new models could like.

**bhsman**

Anime girls, SRM, bug-eyes and all.

"Death to the Heretic! Burn the Mutant! For the Emperor! Uguu~"

...but really, starlight on Warseer is saying that this doesn't mean anything at the moment, but we'll see how it turns out.

**Grim.Badger**

I stongly suspect that sales of the the boxed set are being reduced as a build up for new kits (hopefully plastic) this year, it seems to follow the same pattern as their other recent releases as they have already stopped shipping the 'dex to third parties (apparently).

I would love to see plastic sisters, with similar sculpts to the current line but maybe a choice of heads.

In response to the off-topic - After the hormonal treatments etc that they would doubtless get, the sisters are unlikely to look "slim" and anime like.
Power armour is always going to be fairly bulky in order to stand a chance against armour piercing shots, most 40k weaponry would cut straight through Kevlar. Artificer armour and well crafter power armour can be thin (look at Dante) but you wouldn't kit your basic troops in such difficult to produce armour.
I think SOB look absolutely fine apart from the lack of customisation, and anyone who thinks that they should look more "feminine" should go out and get themselves a top-shelf magazine and stop whining.

Also, Space Marines are likely to be even younger than sisters as it is best to implant recruits with the gene seed before they have gone into the later stages of puberty, and the new marine can be on the battlefield after just a year!

**Agamemnon2**

Grim.Badger wrote:In response to the off-topic - After the hormonal treatments etc that they would doubtless get, the sisters are unlikely to look "slim" and anime like.

Does Sororitas training actually include physical augmentations? I thought they just mindraped them with Imperial Creed propaganda.

**Sgt.Roadkill**

yeah Agamemnon i thought that was the case as well adn they jus thad bad ass power armour ot make them hard, its was why they still hav eth same S + T as a guardsman.

**Howard A Treesong**

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:RE: what armies have been squatted?

The are the armies that have had specific rules which no longer have specific rules

What has been "squatted" from Fantasy? Whole armies include Chaos Dwarves (and their hobgoblins) and Dogs of War. Smaller armies include the fairly recent Kislev, and there are lots of individual things like Fimir and Zoats, though they go back a few years now.

I think the main problem is that so many individual figures get squatted though, the Skaven Doomwheel was effectively written out of the game and then recently returned wasn't it? Many other things are not so fortunate, many models with certain weapon combinations are no longer useful and the only answer seems to be to saw them uo to convert them which most people are not going to do with their most treasured models. Is if right that there are no longer any hand flamers?

**Alpharius**

HOLD ON HERE!

Please keep this thread on topic.

I'll have a go at 'cleaning it up' later, but seriously guys, WTF?

Consider this an official warning.

Users who ignore it will suffer the consequences.

**FlightMek**

There is officially NO SoB 10x unit anymore. Not for real, not by mistake, not at all. Hopefully - as some of you have said - it just means they're going plastic. I am so close to getting the wife into them too.

While we're on the topic anyone know good conversion ideas?

**Kanluwen**

FlightMek wrote:There is officially NO SoB 10x unit anymore. Not for real, not by mistake, not at all. Hopefully - as some of you have said - it just means they're going plastic. I am so close to getting the wife into them too.

While we're on the topic anyone know good conversion ideas?

Funny, because I was just able to order one straight from GW not even fifteen minutes ago to paint up for a friend.

**Sidstyler**

Solorg wrote:I approve of:

http://derangedfirebird.deviantart.com/art/Littlest-sister-of-battle-149322164

http://b-at-at.deviantart.com/art/Sister-of-battle-143840970

http://malum-bathory.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-Battle-141999660

The second link doesn't bother me, but hell no to one and two.

Unlike Brother SRM I won't come out and say anime is "garbage", but that's really not the look they need to go for with Sisters of Battle. I really hate it when people think that since they're women they have to look like super models with guns, I much prefer the "business" look they have to them now.

As for the Sisters models becoming plastic...personally I hope they get Jes to do them if that's the case, as he did the metals IIRC and I really like the metals.

**Kanluwen**

Frankly, if they're going to be plastic...I can see them just scanning in the metals and converting to plastic.

**Sidstyler**

That would be nice, but usually when they put out plastic kits they're entirely new sculpts, no?

**Kanluwen**

Piranha and Skyray say sup, Sid

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But I dunno. It seems like it's a 50/50 thing. We've seen some plastic kits that are completely new(Greatswords) and on the flipside--we've seen the Piranha, Skyray, Baneblade that have basically been scanned in or slightly retooled.

**serenade**

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

The only stinkers in the line are the repentia which have bondage gear, ludicrously big swords, massive breasts and generally are everything wrong that the basic sisters get so right.

hehe I painted mine as though they are wearing tights underneath.

Solorg wrote:Well, first off, very nice pics! Second off, should Sisters be beautiful? I agree with you that they need not, since RL nuns are as often ugly fugglies as not - THAT'S if you want more realism! But I don't! Here's how I see it - the Sisters are young because they die young - so the SoB are mostly between ages of 16 and 19 I figure, so chances are they're hot like Joan of Arc. If you want 40yr old+ mannish nuns, that's OK, I respect that, but I think there's room in the hobby for both. Now, I do agree that somehow, there isn't a lot of beauty in 40K to begin with - that's true - but the main draw of Sisters is: "I can have an all-female army, that would be AWESOME."

Orks have the gorilla thing going, Tau have the anime spaceman thing, Nids have the "Alien" thing and Necrons have the "Terminator" thing going on. Sisters have the "I have an all-girl army" thing going on. In other words, any guy's dream army. Hot. Take that away and you may as well play Space Marines.

So with femininity being the whole reason for Sisters, why would I want an army full of ugly women when I can have an army of hot feminine women? One draws more new players than the other, just saying.

Power Armor needs to be bulky? So you say! But in the future, I am sure they have ways to make armour light but strong. Heck, in our century we have Kevlar, so by the year 40K they would have to have some really awesome light-weight armour. If it must be 4+, so be it.

If I want bulky, I'd just pry the heads off my Space Marines and add female heads (or put lipstick on the Space Marine faces and keep the mannish jaws and scowls). What with all the power armor and tanks and such, they look an awful lot like Space Marines already.

Why do I get the impression that the kind of models you want are the kind only slaanesh would approve of. :<

I love my sisters ( though I totally hate the lack of female variety in the GW francise) , and as a female player I have to admit, I appreciate the fact that they are awesome, powerful individuals that haven't been degraded to the level of pole dancers in power armor.

Mind you seraphim are my favourite, because they tend to be more graceful etc. without being skanky, but they are seraphim (ie. angels) and the others are battle sisters. So I assume thats part of the design.

**FlightMek**

Kanluwen wrote:
FlightMek wrote:There is officially NO SoB 10x unit anymore. Not for real, not by mistake, not at all. Hopefully - as some of you have said - it just means they're going plastic. I am so close to getting the wife into them too.

While we're on the topic anyone know good conversion ideas?

Funny, because I was just able to order one straight from GW not even fifteen minutes ago to paint up for a friend.

You ordered the squad box? The one that is $40+? Care to enlighten us? I don't see it anywhere...

**BrookM**

Interesting, both the Witch and Daemon Hunters codex on Maelstrom have their stock level updated to "as stock lasts" meaning once sold out they won't sell them any more.

**Sidstyler**

Why do I get the impression that the kind of models you want are the kind only slaanesh would approve of. :<

Not only that but he seems to make a lot of assumptions...like when he insinuated that we're all granny fetishists for liking the current Sisters line, that all Sisters are between 16-19 (I was under the impression they were all way older and only appeared as young as they did because of rejuvenation drugs...which is why there's white hair all over the place), and that the whole point of Sisters is to be the "hot" army, that the army would sell more if they were all big-breasted anime girls with big hips and form-fitting armor, etc.

If I were a woman I'd find all of it a little insulting, to say the least.

I'm glad to see that most people think Sisters are awesome, though, and for all the right reasons.

Piranha and Skyray say sup, Sid

Well yeah, I guess it happens with FW models all the time now, but have they ever done that when replacing a metal kit?

**BrookM**

Not really, when going from metal to plastic they usually attempt to one-up the old designs. Just look at the plastic Dread, the upcoming Deff Dread and the uhm.. Minotaurs.

**Kanluwen**

FlightMek wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
FlightMek wrote:There is officially NO SoB 10x unit anymore. Not for real, not by mistake, not at all. Hopefully - as some of you have said - it just means they're going plastic. I am so close to getting the wife into them too.

While we're on the topic anyone know good conversion ideas?

Funny, because I was just able to order one straight from GW not even fifteen minutes ago to paint up for a friend.

You ordered the squad box? The one that is $40+? Care to enlighten us? I don't see it anywhere...

I linked it on the first page of this very thread.

**blaktoof**

Considering GW will never phase out assassins, until you see assassin temple operatives as an option in a Space Marine or IG codex you dont need to worry about WH or DH being phased out.

seriously.

That box set is older than dark eldar sculpts and if I recall has few poses, its prolly still available from collectors, or as blisters, and I am guessing they are updating the molds.

**aka_mythos**

Balance wrote:
I see nothing wrong with making the Sisters a 4+ save, but I'd prefer it to be with the current models. The current models do look like ornate but functional amor for the most part. My personal opinion is that it's power armor, but has a lot less features and is a lot less resilient than Space Marine armor. "Power Armor = 3+" is just a weird 'GW-ism' that's never worked for me.

I think part of it is that there is a broad definition to power armor. If we look at a more detailed game "Inquisitor" the difference between power armor space marines wear and power armor everyone else wears is mostly a matter of feature. Space marines have resperators and environmental protection, SOB don't. Space marines have thick ablative plates designed for added kinetic protection, SOB don't. Space Marine armor can be plated with various materials to better absorb the damage, of las, flame, and plasma weapons, SOB don't. Space Marines are out and out biggers and with the strange "heroic" proportions GW uses it makes them look bulkier than they actually be. But 40k is more abstract and generalizing than "Inquisitor" and all the distinctions are lost. So while SM might more appropriately be 2.9+ save and sisters of battle 3.5+ save... they have to be rounded down to the same thing, due to the limitations of being based around a single d6 roll. Thus in 40k the differences are neglegable and moot.

Another way you can think of it is if you stripped down power armor of its features its effective carapace armor with a low level energy field across the surface of the armor (kinda like this: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Polarized_hull_plating ) and servos to assist the wearer to move in it. Thats whats SOB have.

The difference between stripped down power armor and carapce armor is the small nuclear power plant on the back of the solider that allows for the charged field that adds protection and powers the assisting servos.

**BrassScorpion**

Actually, I've heard that GW is going the OTHER way with their offerings - fewer blisters, more boxes.

People are just hearing this or didn't know it at all? Really? GW has been eliminating blisters and reducing the number of items in their product line for years. This trend started at least four or five years ago. It's not new and is not news. Eliminating blisters in favor of plastic box sets has been ongoing for years and will continue in 2010 based on product announcements already made.

As for the comments on the faces of the Battle Sisters being hardened, have you ever seen the face of actual people, male or female, who lives a "hard" lifestyle? GW can't win here, if they sculpt the faces to be a little hard and severe some customers will complain they are not feminine enough, but if they sculpt them to be soft and attractive some customers will dislike the models because they are not "realistic" or "edgy". They can't please everyone with any model, so why should Sisters of Battle be any different?

**Sgt Jelal**

Back on topic...
I believe that stockists can no longer get the Witch Hunters Codex - and it doesn't seem to be on the GW site now. This usually means a new Codex in about 6 months. Of course whether there'll be any SoB in it is another matter...

**BrassScorpion**

One reason the SoB and Grey Knights ranges have been left alone for so long is that they are already beautiful sculpts, well to most customers anyway. There hasn't been much incentive to update them because they already have good aesthetics and are not major product lines. Moving them to plastic would be expensive and risky without significant planning to ensure they become less "fringe" product lines when they get relaunched.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Kanluwen wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not sure what you really expect in that regards. Codex: Craftworld Eldar is gone, and you don't see them constantly complaining about outdated codexes that have been updated do you?

Eldar still have a 40K army do they not? SO most figs that would have comprised a craftworld army can still be played in some form of Eldar force. Eldar=Eldar.

There is no "cult" list of any form that can be used to represent chaos or tyranid cultists, thus the switch is far more jarring and costly then for the craftworld example above, but I would have no objections to any Craftworld Eldar player complaining just as loud.

If I purchased and built/converted a genestealer cult for example I did so for the fluff/them of an "insidious cult". I am now left with the choice of having to switch complete army theme/comp to play a tyranid army (making half my models useless) or an "evil looking IG army" making my genestealers useless, or going out and buying stuff to make two armies (IG and Tyranids) that I didn't want to play in the first place, IF I wanted to play IG I would have played IG, same for tyranids.

Regardless, most people are not bothered by such things until it is there army that is "squatted". Keep your fingers crossed...

Except it wasn't technically an army by itself.

It was a sublist to the Codex proper.

Sort of like how SoBs are a "sublist" to the WH codex proper? Mark my words, if WH and DH get combined into a single codex then SoB will almost certainly cease to exist as a viable army. Codex: Inquistion (AKA Codex: Grey Knights) won't allow you to field a pure sisters army any more than Codex: CSM allows a pure Thousand Sons army.

**aka_mythos**

Brimstone before he passed away assured me that we'd see the Inquisition less prominant when Witch hunters and Daemonhunters got updated in their separate respective codices. Brimstone was one of the few consistently reliable people for rumors and was in the know.

I think we might see some units common to both, but I'm sure they won't be in one book.

As far as the models go, the biggest reason Grey Knights and Sisters have not been updated into plastic is because the models in general have a high amount of depth to the models, as well as some undercuts that will require some reworking of details.

Sisters of battle for example, the most GW could hope for without reworking is a single piece body with a separate head and with forearms and forward connected to guns and attach at the elbows to the rest of the model. This makes for either a very limited number of poses or requires reworking.

Grey Knights, all the script and text embedded into the armor, will have to be better thought out since it has to be set straight on to the direction the model is pulled from the mold.

Both deserve plastics but have detail issues preventing it. GW will rework them and we will see them eventually.

**aka_mythos**

Ugh... double post... *lowers head in shame*