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Wondering if anyone knew anything about this. I know the codex is ancient and they get no love, but earleir I was on the GW website and noticed that the big box of Battlesisters has been removed. I think it came with 9 or 10 models. All that remains is the three-model blister.

Anyone know if this is a sign that Witch Hunters are truly dead? I hope not. Finally got my wife to buy the codex LAST NIGHT!!! DOH!

If this is old news...I apologize for extreme noobness.

Boxed set could merely be phased out, no reason for alarm just yet. All boxed options are now available as blisters instead.

I just checked and the Sisters of Battle Seraphim Squad is still a box set. The main battle sister squad on the other hand, has gone to blisters.

FlightMek wrote:Wondering if anyone knew anything about this. I know the codex is ancient and they get no love, but earleir I was on the GW website and noticed that the big box of Battlesisters has been removed. I think it came with 9 or 10 models. All that remains is the three-model blister.

Anyone know if this is a sign that Witch Hunters are truly dead? I hope not. Finally got my wife to buy the codex LAST NIGHT!!! DOH!

If this is old news...I apologize for extreme noobness.

I have collected and played SOB since their arrival in 2nd, and love the whole "warrior nun"/ecclesiastic vibe. but they have always been the red headed step child of 40K (rivaled by DE).

They are a fringe army with a loyal yet small fan base and despite their cool fluff and concept don't really get the average "Timmy" pumped like the Spez Mahrines111. As such I am surprised they haven't gone the way of other similarly cool armies like LATD, Genestealer cult, etc.

If GW didn't need them as filler for the WH codex they would have surely gotten a stake through the heart before now.

I wish that SOB would get their own codex or that 40K would get an Ecclessiarchy codex with expanded units like redemptionists/fraternis militia, penitent engine variants, special characters like Uriah Jacobson, etc. ,etc. rather then shoehorned into some future WH rewrite, but sadly I think the chances of returning to the glory days of a devoted SOB codex is sadly slim to none at this point.

I have a large force of them, but worry that they might get "squatted" at some point...

The 2010 Mini listing that came out here last week had a lot of stuff for WH/DH

* New GK Terminators 3ups (5 poses, 1 HQ/leader)
* New Daemonhunter/Witchhunter concept art
* New DH/WH vehicles/support

Was all quoted. Maybe good things will happen and we will finally see a plastic sisters unit.

-Eric

trougedoor122 wrote:I just checked and the Sisters of Battle Seraphim Squad is still a box set. The main battle sister squad on the other hand, has gone to blisters.

Just went back there to check out the Seraphim Squad and there was a link to the SoB squad box. Weird...

Must just be something wrong with the website.

...I hope

Who knows we might be getting plastic sister... think of the modeling postions we can make them into..... hehe( mind in the gutter). sorry.

StarGate wrote: Who knows we might be getting plastic sister... think of the modeling postions we can make them into..... hehe( mind in the gutter). sorry.

and this is why they will probably get 'squatted". They just don't get any respect from the average 40K gamer who can't seem to ever stop with the "nuns with guns" jokes and the "booby shaped power armour" references and suggestions that they are "space lesbos" and so on and so forth. The sisters fluctuate between being seen as the "poor man's space marines" and fodder for potty mouthed adolescent humor and titty jokes...

CT GAMER wrote:The sisters fluctuate between being seen as the "poor man's space marines"...

More like rich man's space marines what with costing much more to build an army out of all metal models. I thank the emperor for them because they give us SoB cosplayers, and it doesn't get much more awesome than that.

Culler wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:The sisters fluctuate between being seen as the "poor man's space marines"...

More like rich man's space marines what with costing much more to build an army out of all metal models. I thank the emperor for them because they give us SoB cosplayers, and it doesn't get much more awesome than that.

"poor" as in "lesser" marines: sort of like diet-cola (looks similar in armour and weaponry but not quite up to what the average Joe-gamer is looking for stats/rules-wise)

I just don't imagine that the popularity of SOB will warrant a plastic kit for them.

I hope I am dead wrong, as the only thing that has prevented me from taking my SOB force to Apocalypse point levels is the cost of the metal models and lack of pose variation of the current sculpts.

And yes that SOB cosplay costume was one of the best 40K costumes to date...

The SOB, were/are some of the best miniatures GW produce....it would be very sad if they dropped them.

However, in addition to the general lack of exposure they recieve, I was also mulling over the fact that there have been (as far as I know) only one novel that actually focused on the Sisters!!! 1......even the DE get more love than that.....

...what a waste of a potentially awesome product line!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1080206

It's still on there, just...not listed like it should be.

Most likely, an error of some form.

The owner of FLGS says they are now officially end of line. he can't order any more witch/demon hunters, not even codexes. But this could be a simple case of them going direct only rather than getting squated.

Have they squatted anything since the squats?

holidayhalflife wrote:... this could be a simple case of them going direct only rather than getting squated.

These two realities do not lie that far apart in effect.

privateer4hire wrote:

holidayhalflife wrote:... this could be a simple case of them going direct only rather than getting squated.

These two realities do not lie that far apart in effect.

Nor is it realistically that far apart from the fact that no one was buying them. They just don't collect dust as posters on hooks in this case.

I don't think it is an error - the boxed set of 10 is missing from all of the GW sites - Australia, Britain, US etc.

And considering that these sites often have different options for purchase (Aus gets short changed for most things, and a lot of the special models aren't available) it seems that it is a deliberate update across the board, its just that someone hasn't actually removed the link in the 'recommended purchase' window they have up on every page.

I would break my financial ban on new GW stuff for sisters/plastic GK's. Lets hope, huh? Especially if it got some proper attention (not just plastic basic sisters, but a couple of proper kits for Seraphim etc).

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

ShumaGorath wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

Technically, Lost and the Damned were a campaign army and Kroot Mercs were considered Index Astartes approved.

But it's a technicality, as either way they clearly weren't intended for anything more than fun and friendly games.

lords2001 wrote:I don't think it is an error - the boxed set of 10 is missing from all of the GW sites - Australia, Britain, US etc.

And considering that these sites often have different options for purchase (Aus gets short changed for most things, and a lot of the special models aren't available) it seems that it is a deliberate update across the board, its just that someone hasn't actually removed the link in the 'recommended purchase' window they have up on every page.

I would break my financial ban on new GW stuff for sisters/plastic GK's. Lets hope, huh? Especially if it got some proper attention (not just plastic basic sisters, but a couple of proper kits for Seraphim etc).

Er, anytime they remove an item from sale--they completely purge it, and usually break the site for a few days(most notably the What's New sidebar will vanish, from what I've seen. They had to remove the Imperial Strongpoint deal for awhile because it was incorrectly charging $0.90 rather than $90.00.) afterwards. That's part of what makes me think it's just an error.

Second part is that if it was removing the item from sale, clicking the "Recommended Purchase" link will load a blank page template, with all the standard trimmings--but no product in the center.

CT GAMER wrote:And yes that SOB cosplay costume was one of the best 40K costumes to date...

Does anyone have a picture? I am both intrigued and saddened, the latter because I apparently missed out.

I play SOB and I enjoy the fact that they are so pewter-dependent. It adds to their archaic, esoteric vibe. It takes more effort to model and convert, which is another aspect I like. I do not want it to be easy, I want it to be worth it.

ShumaGorath wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

LATD was in Codex:Armageddon and Genestealer cult was in Codex Tyranids (2nd edition). Neither was a "WD army".

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

LATD was in Codex:Armageddon and Genestealer cult was in Codex Tyranids (2nd edition). Neither was a "WD army".

Codex: Tyranids(2nd edition) was invalidated years ago when they updated it to the next edition.

I'm not sure what you really expect in that regards. Codex: Craftworld Eldar is gone, and you don't see them constantly complaining about outdated codexes that have been updated do you?

Kanluwen wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

LATD was in Codex:Armageddon and Genestealer cult was in Codex Tyranids (2nd edition). Neither was a "WD army".

Codex: Tyranids(2nd edition) was invalidated years ago when they updated it to the next edition.

I'm not sure what you really expect in that regards. Codex: Craftworld Eldar is gone, and you don't see them constantly complaining about outdated codexes that have been updated do you?

Do you understand the term "squatted"?

Loosely: It is taking a valid army legal in the game of 40K (from a codex) and removing it in whole with no warning or consideration for those that may have spent many hours and many hundreds of hours buying/building/painting/converting said army.

When it was "squatted" is irrelevant to the fact that it was "squatted". Gw "squatted" Genestealer cultists int he switch to third. LATD was "squatted" when Codex:Armageddon was nixed. So yes different things have been "squatted" at different times in GW's historical timeline.

So whats your point?


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Mr. Bombadidaloo wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:And yes that SOB cosplay costume was one of the best 40K costumes to date...

Does anyone have a picture? I am both intrigued and saddened, the latter because I apparently missed out.

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Dogs of War for Fantasy.

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not sure what you really expect in that regards. Codex: Craftworld Eldar is gone, and you don't see them constantly complaining about outdated codexes that have been updated do you?

Eldar still have a 40K army do they not? SO most figs that would have comprised a craftworld army can still be played in some form of Eldar force. Eldar=Eldar.

There is no "cult" list of any form that can be used to represent chaos or tyranid cultists, thus the switch is far more jarring and costly then for the craftworld example above, but I would have no objections to any Craftworld Eldar player complaining just as loud.


If I purchased and built/converted a genestealer cult for example I did so for the fluff/them of an "insidious cult". I am now left with the choice of having to switch complete army theme/comp to play a tyranid army (making half my models useless) or an "evil looking IG army" making my genestealers useless, or going out and buying stuff to make two armies (IG and Tyranids) that I didn't want to play in the first place, IF I wanted to play IG I would have played IG, same for tyranids.

Regardless, most people are not bothered by such things until it is there army that is "squatted". Keep your fingers crossed...

CT GAMER wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not sure what you really expect in that regards. Codex: Craftworld Eldar is gone, and you don't see them constantly complaining about outdated codexes that have been updated do you?

Eldar still have a 40K army do they not? SO most figs that would have comprised a craftworld army can still be played in some form of Eldar force. Eldar=Eldar.

There is no "cult" list of any form that can be used to represent chaos or tyranid cultists, thus the switch is far more jarring and costly then for the craftworld example above, but I would have no objections to any Craftworld Eldar player complaining just as loud.


If I purchased and built/converted a genestealer cult for example I did so for the fluff/them of an "insidious cult". I am now left with the choice of having to switch complete army theme/comp to play a tyranid army (making half my models useless) or an "evil looking IG army" making my genestealers useless, or going out and buying stuff to make two armies (IG and Tyranids) that I didn't want to play in the first place, IF I wanted to play IG I would have played IG, same for tyranids.

Regardless, most people are not bothered by such things until it is there army that is "squatted". Keep your fingers crossed...

Except it wasn't technically an army by itself.

It was a sublist to the Codex proper.

I guess the better way to make a comparison:
There've been PLENTY of sublists in Codexes that have been taken out or made into a more 'codex friendly' list that can be built.

I do not understand the obsession with filling the newer books with things like a Genestealer Cult(which, by the way, is NEVER something you would see on a battlefield, except maybe as cannon fodder herded into battle in front of a Tyranid army or rising up and fighting alongside the Hive invasion proper. In which case--it'd be a unit, NOT a full army in itself.) or Lost and the Damned(which, arguably, would work better for an army of its own--although, I would again see it as a unit choice that could be worked into the codex).

Yes, it sucks that you no longer have the option of playing them with all the special rules you had back then. Everyone's lost some character to their army, it's not just your little five page sublist in the codex that got screwed.

Let's keep in mind that the typical 40K game is not representative of "armies" but rather small detachments and battle groups. "Army" is a term that players use but it's meaning is stretched in this context.

A casual scan of Apocalypse or more appropriately Epic reveals this.

At the scale 40k represents forces of cultists, rebels and so forth are more than suited for the scale of the conflict being represented.

Also since you mention it Inquisitional forces should not be depicted on the 40k battlefield either since the main role they play is hunting down and eliminating the cult type forces you think don't belong. THeir main role isnt to go around fighting eldar and Necorn armies, etc., etc.

GW put a little section in each Inquisital codex with "justifications" for why siad forces would be fighting other armies almost as if they had to convince themselves releasing such armies was a good idea as much as convince us. It was weak justification.

Now they could have included proper/fleshed out cult lists in he back of the Inquisition codexes so that people could field decent representations of the traditional and most common enemies that said forces would be dealing with (and they did give it a half-hearted nod with what was included) but they definitely missed the boat on what could have added a ton of flavor and potential for characterful battles and deeper campaign and scenario play by including such lists.

Lets hope they come to their senses when they redo the Inquisition codexes and return to a more flavorful and varied representation of the 40K universe...

Here's hoping WH don't get nixed, my brother just spent a lot on them over the festive period.

Of course, it could just be a problem with the site (although the FLGS I buy from doesn't have the 10-Sister box either...).

WH don't need removing from 40k though, they seem to be a very fun army to play. Unfortunately they're one of the more niche armies, and if sales are poor who knows what will happen.

I love my WH, though if they went plastic I'd have to do more than "glue on the backpack" which would drastically increase build time!