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CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

LATD was in Codex:Armageddon and Genestealer cult was in Codex Tyranids (2nd edition). Neither was a "WD army".

Lost and the Damned were in Codex: Eye of Terror, not Codex: Armageddon. In general, armies from campaign supplements don't stick around-- the Black Templars proved popular enough that they got their own Codex, but they are very much an exception to the rule!

Fetterkey wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Have they squatted anything since the squats?

Let me check with my LATD and GEnestealer cult armies...

Yup, both "squatted".

I'm not sure white dwarf armies count. Otherwise kroot mercs are in there too.

LATD was in Codex:Armageddon and Genestealer cult was in Codex Tyranids (2nd edition). Neither was a "WD army".

Lost and the Damned were in Codex: Eye of Terror, not Codex: Armageddon. In general, armies from campaign supplements don't stick around-- the Black Templars proved popular enough that they got their own Codex, but they are very much an exception to the rule!

Maybe not as Codecii, but Mechanized Guard and Speed Freaks weren't viable until Codex: Armageddon either, but are still around in some form past that.

holidayhalflife wrote:The owner of FLGS says they are now officially end of line. he can't order any more witch/demon hunters, not even codexes. But this could be a simple case of them going direct only rather than getting squated.

He can't order daemonhunters?!?! My FLGS orders daemonhunters just fine. (of course my FLGS is a GW store so...)

RE: what armies have been squatted?

The are the armies that have had specific rules which no longer have specific rules

2nd ed;
squats
exodites
genestealer cults

armageddon;
salamanders
speed freaks
steel legion

eye of terror;
space wolves 13th co
ulthwe webway strike force
lost and the damned
cadians

codex: craftworld eldar

all the individual chaos legions

White Dwarf;
feral orks
kroot mercs
white scars
iron hands
imperial fists
raven guard
cursed founding chapters
relictors




And now for the justifications/ how you can represent use them nowadays

exodites - were only ever a unit anyway and not a full army, in fact I don't know if models even existed

sallies - are presented well, and very powerfully in the new marine codex

speed freakz - a reasonable version can be done with the new ork codex (everyone is in a trukk or on a bike or in a wagon) if not the exact same rules

steel legion - basically mech guard who can be done easily with the new codex

13th co - can be done reasonably well with the new space wolf codex (logan as leader gives wolf guard as troops, lots of fenrisians, lots of MotW and no vehicles)

ulthwe webway strike force - none of the models were invalidated as they can all be used for standard eldar but the rules went totally kaput

cadians - can be done with the new guard codex

craftworld eldar - none of the models were invalidated as they can all be done in the new codex, decent approximations of ulthwe, iyanden and saim hann can all be done. Biel Tan got a bit shafted but deservedly so and you can run DA as troops for the same effect

chaos legions - varying degrees of ability to be redone with the current chaos codex. Some armies can be done just fine with no models invalidated (black legion, night lords, word bearers) some had lots of models die. All had special rules go bye bye and whilst some can recreate their old rules fairly well others are buggered. But lets not open this can of worms again.

white scars, iron hands, imperial fists, raven guard, etc can all be recreated using the curent marine codex although iron hands are a bit shafted as are white scars (who have a lot more potential for a full codex than dark angels do).

cursed founding chapters are pretty damned squatted but considering practically nobody played them and they had some of the worst rules design ever conceived thats a good thing. Does anyone remember the Minotaurs? str5, t5 and fearless but all your non tank models had to move directly towards the nearest army and assault it if possible. Lotd players can use them as lotd in the current marine dex and everyone else gets to be the current marine dex with nice conversions. Pissed off warp dragons players (possibly the only ones outside lotd that anybody used) can just use shrike and his retinue to recreate their old unit.

relictors - radical inquisitor DH with allied marines or marines with allied radical inquisitor, done.



That leaves squats, kroot mercs, feral orks, genestealer cults, squats and lost and the damned.

squats are squatted, obviously.

theoretically feral ork players could be snakebite players with the new dex but there are no real snakebite units, no boar riders, no pigdoks, no squiggoths, no madboyz. I guess they're waiting for the new ork codex in 2016 to finally get to use their army again. squatted.

kroot merc players can use their kroot with tau but none of their conversions, I believe there is an apocalypse data sheet. If you played kroot mercs and tau you couyld wheel out the mercs for apoc but if you just played kroot mercs, squatted.

genestealer cults - you can use the models as renegade IG which is largely what the list was comprised of anyway, IG plus genestealers, plus hybrids plus magus and patriarchs. With present IG hybrids (ogryn or rough riders) magii (primaris psyker) and the IG units can all be done but no place for a patriarch or purestrain stealers. Like other posters have said the concept wasn't really well fleshed out to begin with consisting of bolting two armies together with only 3 new units. And whilst the fluff is cool it doesn't stretch well to a 40k scale. Squatted.

Lost and the damned - after orks, rebel planets, apostate cults, IG that have fallen in with dark forces, etc should be the most common threat the imperium has to deal with. Lost and the damned have a ton of potential modelling, art, concept and unit wise. Like genestealer cults they are basically several armies combined together but unlike genestealer cults they combine chaos marines, IG, daemons and 5 of their own units with lots of potential for adding their own original units (daemon engines, mad chaos preachers and human sorcerors, infiltrating cultist demolition teams, chaos hounds). Because they largely use models from other ranges you can still use most of their models and play your guard as traitors but this requires you to at minimum play 2 armies if not 3. Squatted.

Sisters could go with plastic models, that would really bring joy to the world. Recent plastic kits have proven that plastic tabards and robes aren't that hard too pull off.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:RE: what armies have been squatted?

The are the armies that have had specific rules which no longer have specific rules

Given what we have heard of the new tyranid codex, 'vanguard' armies are gone. I.e. broodlord/lictor/genestealer armies, the first signs of Tyranid invasion. As you can't take anything that would be deemed vanguard as a HQ.

Funny, we saw those SoB datasheets for the FW Apoc book; you'd of thought that if they were being phased out GW would have cut that.

GW has little sway over FW.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:genestealer cults - you can use the models as renegade IG which is largely what the list was comprised of anyway, IG plus genestealers, plus hybrids plus magus and patriarchs. With present IG hybrids (ogryn or rough riders) magii (primaris psyker) and the IG units can all be done but no place for a patriarch or purestrain stealers. Like other posters have said the concept wasn't really well fleshed out to begin with consisting of bolting two armies together with only 3 new units. And whilst the fluff is cool it doesn't stretch well to a 40k scale. Squatted.

As a former Cult player, I have to disagree that the fluff doesn't stretch to 40k scale. Over the years there have been loads of references to entire hives, or even planets, that have had to be destroyed because ground forces (Marine, Inquisition and IG) just couldn't contain a Genestealer cult uprising. The closest unit to hybrids would actually be the Psyker battle squad as they could take powers and were (mostly) not much better in combat or shooting than the cultists. It may not have been a big, or complicated list... but damn it was fun to play. It's just the sort of force that could be resurrected by FW without needing to produce too much in the way of miniatures.

Still that's all a moot point as my beloved cult got Squatted :(


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holidayhalflife wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:RE: what armies have been squatted?

The are the armies that have had specific rules which no longer have specific rules

Given what we have heard of the new tyranid codex, 'vanguard' armies are gone. I.e. broodlord/lictor/genestealer armies, the first signs of Tyranid invasion. As you can't take anything that would be deemed vanguard as a HQ.

That's a real shame as the whole vanguard thing has always been major part of the whole hive fleet strategy. I can only assume they have decided that the hive fleets just pick a direction and mindlessly munch on anything that is in it's path now rather than probing for the next best invasion site?

I was just thinking about this...with battle missions coming out in march it may be possible that the our precious S.O.B's may be getting a plastic kit for then? It would make sense seeing as the only model that has been 'shown' has been the ork dread. They also mention 'other kits' being released. Fingers crossed everyone!

Back on topic...

Rumors abound that SOB and DH will be a combined codex. It may be that GW has limited supply on models that dont sell much and have no interest in issuing more as new models are in the future.

I very much doubt the army is being squatted.

Is another hottie!

There is my Combi-Melta!!!

BrookM wrote:Boxed set could merely be phased out, no reason for alarm just yet. All boxed options are now available as blisters instead.

Actually, I've heard that GW is going the OTHER way with their offerings - fewer blisters, more boxes.

I think Sisters of Battle are an awesome concept, but I have to say, the models need work. I absolutely love Saint Celestine, the Living Saint, but as for the other models, who wants to play an army full of mannish-looking women?

Just saying, they could make these models more feminine.

Solorg wrote:I think Sisters of Battle are an awesome concept, but I have to say, the models need work. I absolutely love Saint Celestine, the Living Saint, but as for the other models, who wants to play an army full of mannish-looking women?

Just saying, they could make these models more feminine.

Dunno how you can make power armor look more feminine and the sisters repentia have no clothes on at all and wear S&M masks...

I wouldn't say the sky is falling just yet. It's probably just a reorganizing of the webstores. As one poster posted, they're still available as a box, just not where they're supposed to be. I won't say this is concrete evidence of them getting plastic models in the near future, but you never know what they'll do for the Battle Missions release in March.

I'd guess they'll just show up on the GW site again in a few days. I thought Witch Hunters were direct-only already anyway. I sincerely doubt they're getting phased out, especially with all the rumors swirling about them.

agnosto,

Don't get me wrong - I love the Sisters concept. And take a look around the net, you will find some very feminine and beautiful Sisters Art out there, that's for sure.



But as for the models, every face is angry and contorted. And look at those square, mannish jawlines. Big, buff shoulder pads (masculine). And, of course, let's not forget a friggin huge (not feminine) boltgun or whatever modeled on right in front of the female form. Three words for you:

YUCK, YUCK, YUCK!

I guess what I'm saying is that the army would be much improved if the models came to be more in line with the fan art.

I approve of:

http://derangedfirebird.deviantart.com/art/Littlest-sister-of-battle-149322164

http://b-at-at.deviantart.com/art/Sister-of-battle-143840970

http://malum-bathory.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-Battle-141999660

trougedoor122 wrote:

holidayhalflife wrote:The owner of FLGS says they are now officially end of line. he can't order any more witch/demon hunters, not even codexes. But this could be a simple case of them going direct only rather than getting squated.

He can't order daemonhunters?!?! My FLGS orders daemonhunters just fine. (of course my FLGS is a GW store so...)

Well, might just be because I'm special and GW loves me, but I had no trouble ordering sisters and seraphim today for my store, from GW Trade Sales.

Yeah, but Mik...you're actually competent!

9/10 times, these "my store can't order XXXX, he says it's the end of the line!" is just hiding the fact that they f'd up somewhere in ordering.

Solorg wrote:agnosto,

I approve of:

http://derangedfirebird.deviantart.com/art/Littlest-sister-of-battle-149322164

http://b-at-at.deviantart.com/art/Sister-of-battle-143840970

http://malum-bathory.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-Battle-141999660

I'm sorry, but that art is awful. Bad proportions, perspective, and an overall feel of generic anime-inspired garbage. I like the current Sisters design just fine, but I agree they could use new models with more feminine features. Their jawlines are a bit "mannish" I'll admit. However, they've aged far better than most models of their age; a lot better than the Dark Eldar, that's for sure.

Solorg wrote:But as for the models, every face is angry and contorted. And look at those square, mannish jawlines. Big, buff shoulder pads (masculine). And, of course, let's not forget a friggin huge (not feminine) boltgun or whatever modeled on right in front of the female form. Three words for you:

YUCK, YUCK, YUCK!

I guess what I'm saying is that the army would be much improved if the models came to be more in line with the fan art.

Yeah, the model really needs a rework; love the lipstick by the way.

That said, they are wearing power armor. I have no problem with them looking feminine, at least then people will stop ripping on Tau about being anime and focus on the hookers of the emprah. You could paint a big sign on the side of their transports saying "the emprah is my pimp" or something.

Brother SRM wrote:
I'm sorry, but that art is awful. Bad proportions, perspective, and an overall feel of generic anime-inspired garbage. I like the current Sisters design just fine, but I agree they could use new models with more feminine features. Their jawlines are a bit "mannish" I'll admit. However, they've aged far better than most models of their age; a lot better than the Dark Eldar, that's for sure.

Agreed.

The last thing the SOB need is to be re-sculpted into boobie-fetish anime crap. I'm sick of anime. Put a fork in it, it's lame, and not every female model needs to have exposed breasts and a porno stance to be feminine.

They are nuns that have taken up arms, they aren't nor do I hope they ever become "girls gone wild 40k style..." Buy some daemonettes if you like giggling and looking at "the boobies111"

And Solorg could you have found a worse painted SOB model to use as your example?


As for art this is tops in my book:

Glad to see so many others are concerned. SoB may be my only chance to get the wife to play!

Also, I think the models look awesome! They're hot..but angry. The only models I truly hate are the Inquisitors and Dialogus. Is it just me or does Dialogus look like Marcy from Charlie Brown?

Follow the link and compare: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat30047&prodId=prod1110153



While we are on the subject...anyone know of any cool "counts as models" for SoB?

Solorg wrote:agnosto,

Don't get me wrong - I love the Sisters concept. And take a look around the net, you will find some very feminine and beautiful Sisters Art out there, that's for sure.



But as for the models, every face is angry and contorted. And look at those square, mannish jawlines. Big, buff shoulder pads (masculine). And, of course, let's not forget a friggin huge (not feminine) boltgun or whatever modeled on right in front of the female form. Three words for you:

YUCK, YUCK, YUCK!

I guess what I'm saying is that the army would be much improved if the models came to be more in line with the fan art.

I approve of:

http://derangedfirebird.deviantart.com/art/Littlest-sister-of-battle-149322164

http://b-at-at.deviantart.com/art/Sister-of-battle-143840970

http://malum-bathory.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-Battle-141999660

I'm sorry but I could not agree with you less.

I not only like but love the current sisters figures. Tey are easily the best basic troop miniature of any army in the game. The pose, proportions and lack of exaggeration pout them as among the more realistic looking figures in GW's range plus they have a well thought through and executed design, plenty of detail and just are generally great. They don't look mannish to me at all (okay, the jawline is a bit square and could use work but otherwise they look like women to me).

The only stinkers in the line are the repentia which have bondage gear, ludicrously big swords, massive breasts and generally are everything wrong that the basic sisters get so right.

Why do they have to be beautiful? Why do they have to be feminine? They're nuns! Femininity and beauty are not considerations of theirs. So long as the figures are recognisably and decently proportioned women in ornate armour I'm happy.

The boltgun looks big because it is the same size as a marines but carried by a smaller figure, the shoulders are big because a) the 80's when women did indeed wear big shoulder pads youngster and b ) power armour and trust me in person compared to a marine those shoulders are practically tiny. Finally why can't they be angry? They HATE you! They HATE you and that is why they fight you. They're not calm and dispassionate they're angry and full of fury. They should look angry.

As for the artwork you posted, uninspired generic pseudo-manga crap the lot of it. The first one is okay basically fixing the jaw and downsizing the pads (both of which would be fine with me) but keeping the existing iconic look but the other two are horrid. Especially the last one. The last one doesn't even look like a nun, she looks like a star wars bounty hunter.

Not everything has to be slinky and sexy.

I like the current line as well. Compared to a lot of other 40k lines, they look surprisingly professional. The models I like least, in fact, were several of the C:WH releases like the canoness with point chest armor and a torch on her back...

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

Solorg wrote:agnosto,

Don't get me wrong - I love the Sisters concept. And take a look around the net, you will find some very feminine and beautiful Sisters Art out there, that's for sure.



But as for the models, every face is angry and contorted. And look at those square, mannish jawlines. Big, buff shoulder pads (masculine). And, of course, let's not forget a friggin huge (not feminine) boltgun or whatever modeled on right in front of the female form. Three words for you:

YUCK, YUCK, YUCK!

I guess what I'm saying is that the army would be much improved if the models came to be more in line with the fan art.

I approve of:

http://derangedfirebird.deviantart.com/art/Littlest-sister-of-battle-149322164

http://b-at-at.deviantart.com/art/Sister-of-battle-143840970

http://malum-bathory.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-Battle-141999660

I'm sorry but I could not agree with you less.

I not only like but love the current sisters figures. Tey are easily the best basic troop miniature of any army in the game. The pose, proportions and lack of exaggeration pout them as among the more realistic looking figures in GW's range plus they have a well thought through and executed design, plenty of detail and just are generally great. They don't look mannish to me at all (okay, the jawline is a bit square and could use work but otherwise they look like women to me).

The only stinkers in the line are the repentia which have bondage gear, ludicrously big swords, massive breasts and generally are everything wrong that the basic sisters get so right.

Why do they have to be beautiful? Why do they have to be feminine? They're nuns! Femininity and beauty are not considerations of theirs. So long as the figures are recognisably and decently proportioned women in ornate armour I'm happy.

The boltgun looks big because it is the same size as a marines but carried by a smaller figure, the shoulders are big because a) the 80's when women did indeed wear big shoulder pads youngster and b ) power armour and trust me in person compared to a marine those shoulders are practically tiny. Finally why can't they be angry? They HATE you! They HATE you and that is why they fight you. They're not calm and dispassionate they're angry and full of fury. They should look angry.

As for the artwork you posted, uninspired generic pseudo-manga crap the lot of it. The first one is okay basically fixing the jaw and downsizing the pads (both of which would be fine with me) but keeping the existing iconic look but the other two are horrid. Especially the last one. The last one doesn't even look like a nun, she looks like a star wars bounty hunter.

Not everything has to be slinky and sexy.

I couldn't agree with you more, well said. For those who want more feminen mini's why? If you want big boobs and skinny girls, just go out and buy Image comic books. (are they even around? I stopped reading comics for 15 years sadly due to them being to expensive.) What I am starting to read, by posters who want sexier mini's remind me of Image comics all over again. OH NO, defeniently don't what that.

Bad Sisters Art

Solorg wrote:agnosto,
I guess what I'm saying is that the army would be much improved if the models came to be more in line with the fan art.

I approve of:

http://derangedfirebird.deviantart.com/art/Littlest-sister-of-battle-149322164

http://b-at-at.deviantart.com/art/Sister-of-battle-143840970

http://malum-bathory.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-Battle-141999660

Good Sisters Art




all the art posted under bad art completely mis reperensts the the theme of the sisters of battle and the idea of Power Armour. Even if its often of higher quality than Marines its still power armour and therfore shoudl at least look the size of bulky carapace.

@SgtRoadkill

Nice pics, man. Very cool!

Well, first off, very nice pics! Second off, should Sisters be beautiful? I agree with you that they need not, since RL nuns are as often ugly fugglies as not - THAT'S if you want more realism! But I don't! Here's how I see it - the Sisters are young because they die young - so the SoB are mostly between ages of 16 and 19 I figure, so chances are they're hot like Joan of Arc. If you want 40yr old+ mannish nuns, that's OK, I respect that, but I think there's room in the hobby for both. Now, I do agree that somehow, there isn't a lot of beauty in 40K to begin with - that's true - but the main draw of Sisters is: "I can have an all-female army, that would be AWESOME."

Orks have the gorilla thing going, Tau have the anime spaceman thing, Nids have the "Alien" thing and Necrons have the "Terminator" thing going on. Sisters have the "I have an all-girl army" thing going on. In other words, any guy's dream army. Hot. Take that away and you may as well play Space Marines.

So with femininity being the whole reason for Sisters, why would I want an army full of ugly women when I can have an army of hot feminine women? One draws more new players than the other, just saying.

Power Armor needs to be bulky? So you say! But in the future, I am sure they have ways to make armour light but strong. Heck, in our century we have Kevlar, so by the year 40K they would have to have some really awesome light-weight armour. If it must be 4+, so be it.

If I want bulky, I'd just pry the heads off my Space Marines and add female heads (or put lipstick on the Space Marine faces and keep the mannish jaws and scowls). What with all the power armor and tanks and such, they look an awful lot like Space Marines already.

Solrog read osm eof the Sisters background the in depth stuff in like Codex Sisters of Battles and the background. Some of the sisters get really old, especially the Celestines and Canoeness, althoguh onc ethey start geting creaky they tend ot end up on organ duty or somthing.
i don't deny that younger sisters woudl be the bulk of the battle sisters basice units, but there would be plenty of lolder sisters about.

Also ANy Girl or woman who proves herself capable as part of the the military arm of sorotias would vbe used so fugly and pretyt woudl all be included. so a good mix of features would be the ideal way. and IMO majory of them should be wearing helmets but that sjust me.