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Ignoring all the price complaining, I would bother trying out Battlefoam if I hadn't already commissioned a custom maple case with Sabol dimensions in it. I don't like how easily ANY bags are to crush, and the thought of something falling on them while stored in some freak event is reason enough to want a hard case.

My dad is a hobby woodworker and has already cut all the pieces for my new case(which will fit 24" of trays).

Now, as for people complaining about price. Did you buy your army all at once? If yes then price is no object really, and if you had to save for months then you can do so again to protect your first investment.

Most people buy their armies a little at a time, and transports are easily the same. You don't need to buy a full rig all at once. Buy a tray or two here and there, use them with your boxes and tupperware, and when you finally have enough trays for your army you can decide whether to move to a full bag or stick with your Mcguyver setup.

I have 3 armies being worked on right now, and I'll be damned if I'm buying trays for all of them at the same time. I buy trays for models that are COMPLETE from head to toe, so I only end up buying them every few months when I can fill them up.

And to answer the above, Battlefoam is much larger than Sabol, so they won't fit.

Actaully 1 BF trays is just a tad larger to 2 Sabol trays (15.5*12 vs. 7.75*13). So if you're willing to cut 1 inch out of the Sabol tray, that's a decent match.

jbunny wrote:I can tell you that those Wal-Mart carts fall apart and tip over if you sneeze in their direction. Your models might be in foam, but that does not stop your box from falling over. pLus the one you linked is not very easy to transport from Home to Store. Now for storing at your home, not a bad system.

BTW I have no emotional nor economical investment in BF. I use a medal tool box, and place magnets on the bases of my models to keep them from sliding. The only two times I had a problem with breakage is once I had to hit the brakes and turn hard to avoid a car, and another a deer T-boned my while I was doing 55. Both times the tool box turned over in the trunk.

I have a couple of the Walmart bins. I don't think they would be could for traveling (I've had them fall apart on moving). I do think they're great for home storage. I use mine for bits and sprues and unopened stuff.

They would be ok for a home storage solution where you put you rtrays in them and use another bag/case to carry what you are using.

Personally one of those walmart jobs will not fit in my car so it's out as a transport solution regardless.

aerethan wrote:
Now, as for people complaining about price. Did you buy your army all at once? If yes then price is no object really, and if you had to save for months then you can do so again to protect your first investment.

Price IS an object when you can get effectively the same thing for a lot cheaper. The foam in a KR case may not be as rigid as a BF one, but it's never been an issue. As long as it protects the models in transit and is customizable in some way (whether it be through custom trays or cutting up regular trays) it's fine for a wargames army. The issue people have with price is that Battlefoam do not have the market to themselves, and competitors are offering almost the exact same thing for a lot cheaper.

The only advantage Battlefoam has that I can see is the extremely large cases (for Apoc armies and so on). I don't think KR do case combos that large, so the BF huge cases would be a little easier to transport around in that respect. I still don't think that is worth the excessive extra costs though. That's just my take on it anyway, I get more than enough army protection for a fraction of BF prices.

http://pokeminiatures.blogspot.com/2010/02/package-from-fedex-man-today.html

I just played against someone with the 432 yesterday. First time seeing it in person... now I want it even MORE... grrrr

generalgrog wrote:
This whole post is so filled with inaccuracies, I don't know where to start.

1: No one would buy that rubbermaid thing, you linked, to transport their minis in, because it is too big and unwieldy.

it is the only thing that compares to the capacity of my 1520 when it comes to volume. So buying smaller cases doesn't equal the same thing. if you get a case for 20$ that holds half the models then guess what? I have to buy 2 of them to make up the volume.

2: The 1510 costs $336 on the BF website not $224. or $162 empty + $144 for a IG load out (as an example) thats $306, still not $224.

You calling me a liar?

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Discount : -74.75
Subtotal : 224.25
TOTAL : 224.25

This is how much it cost me. Because I research how much things actually cost. And the walmart alternative is not much cheaper than this price for the same amount of transport capacity.

3: It would probably take 2 or 3 of those 1520 packs to fill up that rubber maid thing you linked, so multiply your $336 X 3 for over $1000 bucks. for equivalent BF storage.

Wrong... Learn to do basic math,

PACK 1520 internal dimensions: 22" x 15.5" x 13" = 4092 cubic inch
Walmart special: 35" x 14" x 13" = 6370 cubic inch

Now the inside of that walmart case is not optimized for foam, the exterior is optimized for structure reinforcement, so you will lose space on the irregular edges. Also remember, pick and pluck leaves a 1/2" space between models wasting an extreme amount of space for minis. So while it barley is 1.5 times the storage size of the PACK1520, not 2-3 times like you said, I would bet money that I could barley get the same models in it due to the irregular shape and the wasted space from pick and pluck. So my comparison is valid. And, my PACK fits in my car, is easy to cary anywhere and light.

The wall mart thing I linked cost $15.50 and throw in $100 of pluck foam and that adds up to under your $224. You could also use something like this which costs $19.50 from office depot http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/987304/Office-Depot-Brand-Mobile-Folding-File/

Besides needing multiple of these to match the capacity, the holes int he sides do not inspire confidence. I still need to drop at least 100$ of foam by time I spend 120$ by your standards for entry level to a shabby, hard to transport, inadequate thing, why not save up and delay picking up a model or two and get a complete solution?

The walmart solution is not by any means a perfect solution, amazingly inexpensive or quality. I would be more comfortable with mattress foam eggcrate cut for cardboard boxes and that is cheaper and better.

So there you go, now you have seen proof that there are solutions that aren't just as expensive as "professional" solutions, which aren't the equivalent of you carrying around your minis, like a 5 year old.

GG

There is no proof and your examples have made the walmart solutions even even worse and shoddy and more expensive than they should be.

Why would I waste 120$ (your numbers using your materials) when I can just save a few dollars and go without for a month or so and get a Sabol or Battlefoam or even something that UK site has (which looks awesome but is too expensive for me in the US)

nkelsch wrote:

generalgrog wrote:
This whole post is so filled with inaccuracies, I don't know where to start.

1: No one would buy that rubbermaid thing, you linked, to transport their minis in, because it is too big and unwieldy.

it is the only thing that compares to the capacity of my 1520 when it comes to volume. So buying smaller cases doesn't equal the same thing. if you get a case for 20$ that holds half the models then guess what? I have to buy 2 of them to make up the volume.

2: The 1510 costs $336 on the BF website not $224. or $162 empty + $144 for a IG load out (as an example) thats $306, still not $224.

You calling me a liar?

Thank you for ordering from Battle Foam! Your order is being processed and will ship as soon as possible. You will receive another email with tracking information once your package ships. Please contact us if you have any questions!

Date : 27 Nov 2009 - 12:31
Order ID : 625833

Payment by Authorize

Product : Quantity : Price
P.A.C.K. 1520 CUSTOM LOAD OUT #BF-1520CF : 1 : 299.00

Discount : -74.75
Subtotal : 224.25
TOTAL : 224.25

This is how much it cost me. Because I research how much things actually cost. And the walmart alternative is not much cheaper than this price for the same amount of transport capacity.

3: It would probably take 2 or 3 of those 1520 packs to fill up that rubber maid thing you linked, so multiply your $336 X 3 for over $1000 bucks. for equivalent BF storage.

Wrong... Learn to do basic math,

PACK 1520 internal dimensions: 22" x 15.5" x 13" = 4092 cubic inch
Walmart special: 35" x 14" x 13" = 6370 cubic inch

Now the inside of that walmart case is not optimized for foam, the exterior is optimized for structure reinforcement, so you will lose space on the irregular edges. Also remember, pick and pluck leaves a 1/2" space between models wasting an extreme amount of space for minis. So while it barley is 1.5 times the storage size of the PACK1520, not 2-3 times like you said, I would bet money that I could barley get the same models in it due to the irregular shape and the wasted space from pick and pluck. So my comparison is valid. And, my PACK fits in my car, is easy to cary anywhere and light.

The wall mart thing I linked cost $15.50 and throw in $100 of pluck foam and that adds up to under your $224. You could also use something like this which costs $19.50 from office depot http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/987304/Office-Depot-Brand-Mobile-Folding-File/

Besides needing multiple of these to match the capacity, the holes int he sides do not inspire confidence. I still need to drop at least 100$ of foam by time I spend 120$ by your standards for entry level to a shabby, hard to transport, inadequate thing, why not save up and delay picking up a model or two and get a complete solution?

The walmart solution is not by any means a perfect solution, amazingly inexpensive or quality. I would be more comfortable with mattress foam eggcrate cut for cardboard boxes and that is cheaper and better.

So there you go, now you have seen proof that there are solutions that aren't just as expensive as "professional" solutions, which aren't the equivalent of you carrying around your minis, like a 5 year old.

GG

There is no proof and your examples have made the walmart solutions even even worse and shoddy and more expensive than they should be.

Why would I waste 120$ (your numbers using your materials) when I can just save a few dollars and go without for a month or so and get a Sabol or Battlefoam or even something that UK site has (which looks awesome but is too expensive for me in the US)

Does everyone have access to that 25% off discount?

You got me on the size comparison, I was going off of the picture which, after quickly glancing at it, looked like one of those things that go on the back of a pickup truck.
My apologies for that.

The office depot cart costs $20.50 and has as much storage space as the 1520 and has wheels and a handle. You could fill it with $100.00 of foam and it would be $100+ cheaper than your discounted BF bag. Why do the holes cause you concern? Are you leaving your bags out in the rain? Worried about rats?

Another thig I don't like about the non pluck foam is that you have to trust that the precut trays will fit your models correctly. Or you have to trace stuff out, which I wouldn't want to do for a bunch of small models. Also the BF trays are more expensive @ $17.00+,($30.00 for custom).

I will concede that those BF and Sabol transports(I've used sabol in the past) would be great as a carryon option for air travel. Other than that, there certainly are other options, and for regular gaming at the LGS, that are just as good.

Also your "5 year old" comment from earlier is exactly the kind of elitism that my other thread on this subject was aimed at.

GG

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Do the Battle Foam trays fit in the Sabol ArmyTransfer MARK II?

for this and alarmingrick

Yes, Battlefoam DOES make trays that fit standard Sabol bags.. there is a basic trooper tray or 2 at their 1inch thickness that holds 27 or so largish models, or another that holds 40 basic troops. I have both, and LOVE em.

They also can do their thicker trays and also custom foam cutting as well for Sabol.. but it starts at 20 bucks a tray.. I think

-P

generalgrog wrote:
Does everyone have access to that 25% off discount?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/266785.page

Yes they did. And if you visit this forum regularly you can there are constant deals and such. I know many forums will also do 'group' purchases which reduce the price even more. The ork forum I go to did a group buy of battle foam and in the past has done a group buy of sabol cases which really drop the prices down a huge amount. I got a lot of custom cut foam for cheaper than I would have paid for pick and pluck foam, and it is optimal as it doesn't waste 1/2" between models and doesn't degrade over time as the pick and pluck tears.

I know you have been posting across multiple threads how you need to 'educate' us who are wasteful with our money, but people who buy these cases are not ignorant or wasteful with money as you like to imply. Different people have different needs and attach different importance to thier minis and thier value. The walmart solution is by no means cheap, reliable or perfect for everyone as you seem to state whenever you try to 'educate' people.

If you want cheap and reliable, I would recommend this:
http://www.avenuesupply.ca/packaging-shipping/shipping-boxes-stands/d-98682-98682-153198

Better than dragging my minis across the ground on shoddy wheels in a rickety plastic bin that I paid 100$ for... Makes the walmart solution look wasteful.

Hi Guys,

I have been following this thread for a couple of days now and I wanted to wait until multiple questions got posted before replying. I will do my best to help everyone out with the best answers possible. Please remember that you can always reach me to discuss further or to check on orders.

Disclaimer for MIKHAILA - Its no secret you don't like me or Battle Foam. I still don't know why but that is your business. All I can do is help you with items you already have in your store. From the sounds of it you have gotten your items using a distributer of some kind. ACD, ALLIANCE, WARPATH, E-FIGURES, I'm not sure. Anyway, we now have our own distribution available for all of our retailers. We have had this in place for over 6 months. Since then we have offered 20 pre-cut troop trays to include Space Marine, IG, PP, and Flames trays. Along with those we offer 10 Vehicle trays and also take custom orders for retailers. I would suggest calling us if you feel your product is not filled with the correct foam. You say the bags just sit in the corner of your store because of the foam options, so why not take advantage of 30 + options available to you along with new trays being added each month. Also, considering over 200+ stores nation wide that deal direct with us now we hardly have a minutes sleep keeping them restocked. Not trying to get you all riled up, but you just do not have the facts right now and there may be other retailers reading this and they need to know the facts. Communication is golden in the retail world and we welcome you to be more open minded and contact us for help. Lastly, we also offer the option to trade the foam you have for different loadouts if the one in stock for you is not selling. All you do is send it back and you can choose any trays you want to refill the bags. Just some FYI

Moving on to the heart of the issue.

The questions and comments you guys have are all valid. Each person has made their point and each of you are right. Yes, Battle Foam is more expensive, and yes their are other options. Sabol, GW, and FH, but the choice is really up to each one of you. Don't buy Battle Foam products unless it is something that will help you carry your minis and not break the bank for you personally. The last thing I want is someone buying Battle Foam and feeling they waisted their money and regretting their purchase. These hobbies we all take part in are expensive but compared to other vises like paintball, video games, pistol shooting, and others its really worth it.

When I started Battle Foam I started it to protect my personal stuff. I never started BF to make money. I had a full time job and ran a successful business for 8 years prior. I just wanted to have a bag and foam that served me well for the time, effort, and money I spent painting my models.

Now lets look at some facts. (I apologize now for this really long post)

Benefits of Battle Foam vs A, B, C, D,.......

If you compare the same size bags from any of the major bag makers to BF sized items we trump everything out there. The number system on the BF bags was created by a fellow Dakka member and stands for the amount of Space Marine sized models that bag can hold. So the 432 holds 432 Space Marine sized model, the 216, holds 216 Space Marie sized models, and so on.

The 432 is about the exact size as a sablo Army Transport I or II and the GW small hard case. Those cases each range from $50.00 +tax to $60.00+tax for the Sabol. The army transport can hold about 12" of foam and the 1" trays can be plucked out to about 24 Space Marine sized slots. With bottoms that leaves you with about 10 trays at 24 models each totalling 240 or so models. Some people are really good at plucking so you may get a few more but not much.

Now comparing that to the BF 432 that holds 432 models you can see that its double the size in the same space (great for travel) and at only $95.00 fully loaded with pre made trays its a no brainer. Lets not even point out the quality differences in the metal buckles, better materials, hard inner shell, and a warranty against breakage. The simple math is that you save money because you fit more in less space.

Think of it this way. If you got two 25 inch plasma TV's at $100 vs one 50" plasma TV at $150.00 would that still be the same thing. No you would just have two crappy 25" TV instead of a huge 50 incher. Same goes here for the bags. 2 Army Transports at $60.00 with pluck foam vs 1 P.A.C.K. 432 at $95.00 is the better deal. Keep in mind that we also reduced our prices on all of our bags as I promissed last year.

I don't really need to go over the GW cases because we already know what that is all about. At 3 layers of foam holding 36 pre cut spots you get a wapping 108 spots in a hard case that will not travel on a plain and looks like total cow poo. Plus, they don't hold 30% of their models like the Valk, Defiler, and many others. Oh, and you look like a murderer walking around with those things in the mall. "what ya got their son, a gun, some tools, maybe a severed head?

The next point I want to make is the foam cost. (again sorry for the long thread, but its been 2 days of questions and comments)
Lets look at what you get with our BF foam trays. We'll take the 72 troop tray because it is a huge seller for us and works for 70% of the GW line. For $19.00 each you get 72 spots for troops. That quantity changes depending on the models and will very by army at times. Anyway, thats 72 troops for $19.00. If you got the GW tray it would be 36 spots per tray and the foam simply sucks. Next you have the pluck foam from Sabol. This is a better product but again you run into the same problem. With good plucking you get 24 to 27 spots per tray at $8.00 each and you do all the work. To match the same amount of troops as the BF 72 troop tray you would need 3 of the Sabol $8.00 troop trays. $8.00 x 3 comes out to $24.00 in trays and it eats up 3.75 inches in your bag instead of 1.25 inches like the BF tray.

That means that you actually save money when you buy BF but more importantly you save space. That is the whole point of the BF P.A.C.K. system It consolidates space and does it with a cool presentation. Did I also mention that we are the only foam company in the world that warranties their trays. Yes, if your foam falls apart because of bad glue or bad foam you just send it back for a free replacement. Try that with pluck foam or gw foam. Not happening.

Ok, last two points.

The above info is great and all but the heart of the matter is the custom work available. We have the ability to cut any shape for any model in the world. Got a Thunderhawk from Forgeworld, we have 12" tall foam for it. Got a Warhound, Reaver, or Bio Titan, we have foam for it. We can do foam in any size. From 1" to 14" tall. Got a grot with your own custom sculpted squiggoth, no problem. Best of all we are the only company that use a Custom Tray Creator to help you design trays.
( http://www.battlefoam.com/tray.html ) You can even trace your stuff yourself and we'll do all the work to set it all up.

Now for the best part. As you guys now we are new to the industry. Only 18 months old at this point. In that time we have managed to partner with Battlefront (Flames Of War), Privateer Press (Warmachine Hordes), and now Wyrd Miniatures (Malifaux). These great and successful companies decided to trust us with their company image because they know Battle Foam stands for quality and dependability. They know we stand behind each and every bag and foam tray that leaves our warehouse. That needs to be said because so much is lost today in follow up customer service. Any company can sell you a bag of goods and do it with a smile. How many of those same companies can look you in the eye a month later or a year later when you have a problem and still take care of you the same way. That is truly what Battle Foam stand for.

I mean after all as the owner I still go on all the forums to help our customers get answers to their questions. How many people do that these days. Mind you we are no longer a small business. With 9 employees and growing and over 11,000 SF of warehouse space and a new storefront opening in June things are changing fast at Battle Foam. These changes only stand to help you our customers. We have already reduced prices on several bags and the overall foam. Not to mention the 6 new products releasing over the next 4 months. Yes, the 720 is coming in April and the super cool "X-BOARD" travel display.

So guys please make the best choice for your personal needs and budget. I truly want you guys to be 100% happy with BF and all we do. If we are not for you at this time, we totally understand. Just remember that we will continue to offer the best products and best customer service possible. If someday you do choose us then know that not only are you covered by our warranties, but you have my word on it.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

nkelsch wrote:
I know you have been posting across multiple threads how you need to 'educate' us who are wasteful with our money, but people who buy these cases are not ignorant or wasteful with money as you like to imply. Different people have different needs and attach different importance to thier minis and thier value. The walmart solution is by no means cheap, reliable or perfect for everyone as you seem to state whenever you try to 'educate' people.

You mean like the OP's and your "education" of all of us 5 year olds that don't use BF?

Sorry.... but not all of us are ready to sign up for the Cult of BF like you are.

GG


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Sgt Diablo wrote:So guys please make the best choice for your personal needs and budget. I truly want you guys to be 100% happy with BF and all we do. If we are not for you at this time, we totally understand. Just remember that we will continue to offer the best products and best customer service possible. If someday you do choose us then know that not only are you covered by our warranties, but you have my word on it.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

I just wanted to say that I think that BF is a nice product. And under certain circumstances, airtravel, huge models, etc. would be perfect. I just resent the notion that some gamers have, that if you don't use BF than your a second class gamer/5 year old, like some people on this very thread have insinuated. And I know that you have never said any such thing. I also realize that certain personality types tend to become extremely loyal to branding, for example Ford vs GM.

All I'm doing is putting out there, that yes there are other options, and you aren't doomed to pay large amounts of money for a miniature bag.

I have to be honest also that the claim about the 72 model fits in X tray has to be placed in perspective, since not all models are the same size and or position. If all the models were the same standard space marine holding there bolters waist high, then yeah, you can probably be safe in purchasing that standard tray. But what about the people, like me, that have modeled there orks in as many different poses as possible to make things look different. Slugga boys with arms in all kinds of different menacing poses, Nobs with boss poles, nobs with PK's nobs with huge choppas, nobs witjh huge choppas and skorcha. I think for my case the pluck foam option is the best. If I wanted to trace all of my individualistic models out then send them to you, it would take quite a bit of time and also $30.00 a tray.

GG

If you dont like it buy it. If you like it buy it.


Internet griping isn't going to change the game as much - especially with the 200 retailers hitting it up. There is a demand, even without the trolly internet. We represent a small fraction of gamers out there.

;P

Les we not forget.

generalgrog - Your totally right on the fact that not all models are like space marines. I was just using an example to give a size range. We make hundreds of trays for every army. This includes Ork which is the army I play and smash people with. (Orky goodness and the green tide always wins)

Check out this link to see all the options available just for orks. You'll notice we offer larger size troop trays to fit the bigger orky models with banners, klaws, and other bulky items. These are all relevant for the comparison. If you needed a bigger cut out in a BF tray, you would need to pluck out bigger spots in Sabol Pluck Pick foam. The bigger the pluck outs the less space in those trays so the math works itself out in the long run to be the same as the 72 troop tray to the standard pluck out of 2 squares wide by 3 squares high.

Check out this link http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?category=7

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

So, editing my grumpy post because the situation has changed.

Romeo called and we caught up on changes to his company, what I'm doing with my shops, and worked out any problems. My main contention was always that I couldn't sell his products to my customers. That's changed. I'll be putting in an order and starting to carry BF in my shops in the very near future.

generalgrog wrote:

I have to be honest also that the claim about the 72 model fits in X tray has to be placed in perspective, since not all models are the same size and or position. If all the models were the same standard space marine holding there bolters waist high, then yeah, you can probably be safe in purchasing that standard tray. But what about the people, like me, that have modeled there orks in as many different poses as possible to make things look different. Slugga boys with arms in all kinds of different menacing poses, Nobs with boss poles, nobs with PK's nobs with huge choppas, nobs witjh huge choppas and skorcha. I think for my case the pluck foam option is the best. If I wanted to trace all of my individualistic models out then send them to you, it would take quite a bit of time and also $30.00 a tray.

GG

I have 15 years of orks and they seem to fit fine in the battlefoam trays.

I have 5 72 troop trays for my orks and I will itemize the type of models I have and how they fit:

*Any orks built from the 'multiork' 3rd edition plastics fit perfectly because the arms are modly forward or to the side so the model keeps his profile. Unless his arm is extended completely overhead, they all fit fine. Out of my 60-90 plastic 3rd edition orks, I had 2 guys who had a pose that didn't fit and I have all variety of poses and weapons imaginable.
*Shoota boys fit no problem.
*All the metal models, like kommandos, tankbustas fit pretty reasonably with the weapon sitting on the wall edge. This is nothing new for people who have used GW cases for a while. The gun never touches the model next to him and is still kept in place.
*AoBR boys are a little odd as they hold one arm sideways don't always fit in the holes depending on the positioning of the slugga arm. I found this to be minimal with number of times I did an odd pose. I would say I have close to 10 out of 200 models that don't fit comfortably in a 72 troop tray.

And Nobs, that is absurd, but even I found out a universal size that fit. I had them make me a tray with 8x4 slots which each one was about 1.5" wide and 2.25" tall which fit pretty much any nob I had regardless of bosspole, kombiskorcha, big choppa or whatever.

The only models I really needed custom cuts for were my HQs which were conversions, everything else I could request custom trays with the size hole I wanted opposed to rely on pick and pluck wasting space with 1/2" buffers. And if you want slightly larger holes, they do that... and you still save space compared to the pick and pluck alternative, which ends up costing just as much.

My orks in 72 troop trays

My nobs and HQ in custom trays


I wouldn't not listen one bit to this ork person casting doubts that somehow battlefoam can't meet the needs of an ork player when they very clearly can. Orks being irregular models is one of the main reasons I went with battlefoam because these other solutions did not work well for my ork models.

Thats what this hobby needs, the customer service that has been lacking from the large companies for a while..

Thanks for the well written reply Romeo to everyones thoughts.

Nick
CHS

Chapterhouse wrote:Thats what this hobby needs, the customer service that has been lacking from the large companies for a while..

Yeah mainly form the Large company that makes the models.

This Nkelsch guy is either an employee of BF or has seriously OD'd on the BF cool aid. As I never once said that BF "couldn't meet the needs of ork players". I also want to thank him for the pictures because they obviuosly show the wasted area of foam on the custom tray and also many many models are overlapping into other model bays and/or pushing out the bays because they are too irregular for a standard rectangular cut out. This proves my point succesfully,thanks Nkelsch.

Romeo does a much better job of defending his company than you do.

The only absurd thing is that you thought you were helping BF with that post.


GG

Sgt Diablo wrote:generalgrog - Your totally right on the fact that not all models are like space marines. I was just using an example to give a size range. We make hundreds of trays for every army. This includes Ork which is the army I play and smash people with. (Orky goodness and the green tide always wins)

Check out this link to see all the options available just for orks. You'll notice we offer larger size troop trays to fit the bigger orky models with banners, klaws, and other bulky items. These are all relevant for the comparison. If you needed a bigger cut out in a BF tray, you would need to pluck out bigger spots in Sabol Pluck Pick foam. The bigger the pluck outs the less space in those trays so the math works itself out in the long run to be the same as the 72 troop tray to the standard pluck out of 2 squares wide by 3 squares high.

Check out this link http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?category=7

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

As a painter for hire, this ork tray gets the most use for me. I'm always carrying random minis around and it seems to be the right size to hold just about anything infantry-wise. The only thing I haven't been able to get to fit into one of my BF trays was a Bret Pegasus on a custom base, and I'm sure Romeo could have whipped something up if I was going to be keeping the model.

And as part of a minis company I'll be making sure that Romeo has everything necessary to make our customers the right trays for the right job, and to ensure our display models are well protected on the long drive to Gencon. (You like complimentary minis, right?)

Those pictures don't fill me with confidence, lol. You've got arms, poles, and weapons sticking out all over the place, and you claim they "fit fine"?

Also, "I would not not listen"?

Well anyway, I have to say I'm a little interested now in the 720. I was thinking to myself a while ago when I browsed your site (after you mentioned the bags got cheaper) and thought that it would be great if there were something in between the 432 and the 1520, since I don't trust a 432 to hold all of my models and a 1520 is too big/too expensive for me at the moment. Needless to say I'll be keeping an eye out for that bag.



Oh, and I wasn't "flaming" anyone. If a mod contacts me soon and tells me that stupid little comment I made in jest is seriously considered a "flame" then I'll quit Dakka. I'm getting a bit tired of posting on such a sensitive god-damned forum, and I'm already on half of the forum's ignore list as it is.

generalgrog wrote:This Nkelsch guy is either an employee of BF or has seriously OD'd on the BF cool aid. As I never once said that BF "couldn't meet the needs of ork players". I also want to thank him for the pictures because they obviuosly show the wasted area of foam on the custom tray and also many many models are overlapping into other model bays and/or pushing out the bays because they are too irregular for a standard rectangular cut out. This proves my point succesfully,thanks Nkelsch.

Romeo does a much better job of defending his company than you do.

The only absurd thing is that you thought you were helping BF with that post.


GG

And I explicitly mentioned the type of models that overflow or push the walls, which is why you can get bigger trays for those models. But a majority of the models do not overflow in an unreasonable way, and I could easily get a single tray to hold my irregular models. And your pick and pluck is going to waste infinitely more space than what you claim to be wasted on these trays. There is not a single 'pole' sticking out anywhere. All I see is 1 big choppa, some kombis for my MANZ and 2 PKs on my nobs. Those are all irregular models which are there for show and are going to be going into another tray. As for ork boys, you can get bigger holes. A lot of the boys fit fine, and some of the irregular ones and AoBR ones don't and will go into another tray.

It works fine to get a tray with uniform holes and simply put the models who fit there in the holes. If youw ant more room, get bigger holes. It is your call. Lots of us have been using GW cases for years and accept the overlaps, if you don't like it, get bigger holes.

Nice with the personal insults though... You are the one who has been attacking custom foam bags across multiple threads... Maybe I should accuse you of being a stock owner of walmart or maybe an employee in thier tool department and the only reason you push your supposedly cheap solution is to increase your sales? Insults and being a liar are not a good way to make a point.

^^Cool Aid drinkers of the world unite!!^^

Anyway... I'm done with this thread.

GG

I still think hard-sided rifle cases are the way to go...After hunting season, Wal-Mart has 'em for about $15. One case will hold a good-sized army - two will hold pretty much any army out there. The "egg-crate" foam holds stuff tightly without needing to cut custom holes for odd-shaped figures.

Not trying to rain on Battlefoam - but I'd rather spend my $$$ on miniatures, not cases.

Commissar Molotov wrote:I still think hard-sided rifle cases are the way to go...After hunting season, Wal-Mart has 'em for about $15. One case will hold a good-sized army - two will hold pretty much any army out there. The "egg-crate" foam holds stuff tightly without needing to cut custom holes for odd-shaped figures.

Not trying to rain on Battlefoam - but I'd rather spend my $$$ on miniatures, not cases.

I've got an egg-crate rifle case. It's alright, but has damaged the paint on several models in the past, plus knocked loose some pieces on awkwardly-shaped items.

More to the point, I don't want to carry a gun case around in my car, much less walk around carrying it. California is much more paranoid about these things than, say, central Illinois (where I originally bought the case).

You do that a lot, grog...you argue your point very aggressively, insulting others plenty without a care in the world, and then when it comes back to bite you in the ass you just throw your hands up saying "I quit! BTW you're on my ignore list!"

Which is why you won't see this post because you did the same gak to me. You didn't agree with what I was saying, so "You're just a troll, goodbye."

Sidstyler, LOL. We have not agreed on everything over the years but you always make me laugh. Keep up the good work your a great addition to Dakka.

"You're just a troll, goodbye." Classic

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Janthkin wrote:

Commissar Molotov wrote:I still think hard-sided rifle cases are the way to go...After hunting season, Wal-Mart has 'em for about $15. One case will hold a good-sized army - two will hold pretty much any army out there. The "egg-crate" foam holds stuff tightly without needing to cut custom holes for odd-shaped figures.

Not trying to rain on Battlefoam - but I'd rather spend my $$$ on miniatures, not cases.

I've got an egg-crate rifle case. It's alright, but has damaged the paint on several models in the past, plus knocked loose some pieces on awkwardly-shaped items.

More to the point, I don't want to carry a gun case around in my car, much less walk around carrying it. California is much more paranoid about these things than, say, central Illinois (where I originally bought the case).

Ah - yes, I know what you're talking about. You have to be careful not to place "thinner" models next to "thicker" models like vehicles or Dreadnoughts, as the "thick" model will keep the foam from gripping the "thin" model, and they'll slide around in transit.

I know what you mean about rifle cases...I actually took the wrong rifle case to my FLGS one day, opened it up, and there was my thoroughly evil-looking SKS with flash hider, bipod, and 4X sight. You should have seen the look on my opponent's face!

Still, it's a cheap, cheap, cheap way to transport minis safely.

Sidstyler wrote:You do that a lot, grog...you argue your point very aggressively, insulting others plenty without a care in the world, and then when it comes back to bite you in the ass you just throw your hands up saying "I quit! BTW you're on my ignore list!"

Which is why you won't see this post because you did the same gak to me. You didn't agree with what I was saying, so "You're just a troll, goodbye."

That'll teach me to remove you from the list!! Welcome back...

By the way your post, as usual, was highly inaccurate.

GG

Sgt Diablo wrote:Sidstyler, LOL. We have not agreed on everything over the years but you always make me laugh. Keep up the good work your a great addition to Dakka.

"You're just a troll, goodbye." Classic

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Careful, you might lose a customer in Grog.

Molotov@ Did you when the battle with your SKS?