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Haha Im glad Im not the only one useing the older stuff. The only "new" stuff in my army is treekin, wild riders, and halve the dyrads.

It seems a pity the rules are not set to work well with both styles of army. That sort of flexibility appeals to me. Maybe it is just too much to expect or hope for?

I nearly got my daughter some more warhawks. Sounds like they are not a good choice. It was hard to tell with one on his lonesome

Are Eagles worth getting? I quite like the look of the Gamezone raptors!

Eagles work good when there is a noble riding them. Other then that I don't take them by theirselves so I couldnt tell you how well they work, or don't work.

I got 2 eagles to use for 8th edition, but haven't gotten to try them out yet... will update when I do! I imagine they'll be useful for hunting warmachines, although march-blocking can be overcome with a leadership check now.

People on Asrai used to swear by em. For, like you said, march blocking and warmachine/mage hunting but also charge blocking/redirection.

Never used em myself except as mounts a few times.

I haven't tried them out yet, but it strikes me that warhawks got some decent buffs under the new rules. They get stomp and vanguard, so they move faster and hit harder. Plus with hit and run they don't have to worry about being tarpitted by a steadfast enemy.
They are still overpriced compared to other armies, but i think that's something the Wood Elf army as a whole has to deal with until a new book.

Interestingly my regular opponent plays Ogres or Dwarfs, the two arms that i think have benefited the most (on paper) in 8th. I'm very excited to pit my allegedly weakened army against his allegedly buffed one


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So excited that you had to say it half a dozen times leggy!

Please let us know how you get on with the Warhawks.

Building myself 6 treekin and a Treeman!
Then we shall see who is screwed in 8th

Though i don't actually get to play for a month... and i havent played 8th or wood elves Ever, And im most likely up against Teclis w/fire, And more Swordmasters/phoenix guard than spearmen :(

But then again. Toughness 9 Treekin?
I love wizards.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:So excited that you had to say it half a dozen times leggy!

Please let us know how you get on with the Warhawks.

Argh! Was posting off my "smart" phone. Clearly not that frikken smart

Technology hey?
It's like those smart bombs that still cause collateral damage.
If they are the smart ones I'd hate to meet the stoopid buggers!

I am now really hoping that Warhawks are worthwhile:





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You could use that excellent modelf or a noble on eagle, or a warhawk rider... very, very cool!!

Huzzah for the tree-people increasing! I am very happy since I took a lot of flak for having so many treekin in 7th edition (even though they were pretty darn good, imho, and filled a major gap in the wood elf arsenal!) and now it makes sense to take them

I'd love to hear how your trees do, Seon, although your opponents sound like tough nuts to crack for WE! And if you get to try out the warhawks, Leggy, that'd be cool to hear about, too

I actually use a Gamezone eagle with an elf lord on it. Great model, although it dies in the first turn usually.

Death first turn

that is not right. Have your opponents no respect for a thing of beauty?

Doesn't sound promising, though having promised my daughter some more warhawks it would be no bad thing to get the Gamezone ones.

Even if they never get used, well I think we would still like them!

So, just in time for the 9th edition when it all gets nerfed, I may have about got around to adding to the list Ritides

Wow, eledamris! You have some beautiful wood elves in your gallery. And that noble on eagle looks fantastic!

I played a game with my woodies yesterday against a WoC army. I ran;

SpellS. Lvl 4--------Life (duh)
Wand for reroll dispell (duh)

Branch, Lvl 1 w/ TS + Cluster for +1 dispel dice

Glade Guard x 10 w/ musician
Glade Guard x 10 w/ musician
Dryads x 8
Dryads x 8
Glade Riders x 5

Treekin x 6
Treekin x 4

Treeman (woman in my case, Treeperson for the PC crowd)
Great Eagle


My friend and I are still learning the new rules but they performed very well.



My mini-review;

Lvl 4 SS w/ Lore of Life: Pretty much a must in this edition I think. Too bad, as I wanted to run two Tree(Persons!)....but Lvl 4 w/ Wand = Pretty tough dispel phase. Plus access to Lore of Life is a must with Treekin.

Treekin are freaking insane. They are hands down the best looking unit for a WE in 8th right now. They love Life spells and pretty much stomped anything I pointed them at (Chaos Warriors, Knights, etc.) I think either go 3X2 for rank or 4x1 for attacks (Of course, don't forget free reform if you win..).

TreeWoman (Treeperson for the PC crowd) rocks now but to be fair I wasn't playing against a heavy WM army, as he only had one HellCannon and it raged a few times. I would be nervous playing them against a Dwarf/Empire player though considering the non-guess nature of WM now....again Life Lore is a must if you take one.

Glade Guard: They still move, shoot and plink away units. Still a solid choice and two ranks makes them slightly less unwieldy.

Dryads: I put one group in a forest to make them stubborn, tied up a chaos knight unit for a round/two. The other group killed some Maurader Cav but then died later to Chaos Warriors. Unsure on them yet but Skirmish movement rules blow! Easily the worst change in 8th.

Eagles: Can still bait Frenzy units due to TLOS, can still threaten wizards....and no longer takes up a 'slot' in Rares..just 50 pts of your 25%....so I'm thinking 1-2 look pretty good.

Glade Guard: Unsure yet. Vanguard move put me in a good position to harass...but meh, dunno.




So...contrary to belief, I don't think the sky is falling for Wood Elf players . We'll still have some bad rock, paper scissor matchups (Daemons will still be nasty as will Empire/Dwarf gunlines)....but I think that's just 8th edition until they get a proper Armybook redux going.

Good to see more WoC smackdown, they'll think twice before they ignore a don't step on the lawn sign...

Sorry what was the change(s) to skirmisher movement?

But it's another it's all fine provided your running a lot of treekin and/or treemen/women/people story. I'm not crying or selling everything on eBay or throwing my toy soldiers out the pram, I'm not a doom and gloom kind of bloke and am worried I sound like one, but GW will not make me buy treekin!!

Anyhoo, the shop I frequent in Bristol is never short of opponents I just need to dust of my woodies and give em a go I think, the HoDA still work right?

Feel free to comment on any other recent game experiences as I find it very interesting



EDIT: Thoose eagles are pretty freekin sweet, much too big for Warhawks tho (IMHO)

Our unbeatable high elf player at my local store just got tree-stomped to doom. I dont consider an army too nerfed when units of treekin are more viable than ever, and your already butch tree god character gains another d6 insta hit stomps. Archers are going to be gimped, but MSU lists everywhere got killed a little bit.

I have to get more treekin, the four I have are doing very well and with a pair of treemen with them its very disturbing as how efficient they actually are now.

On a different note I played against Ogres with my Empire over the weekend and litteraly got smacked around the table, they charged me by turn two.

Treekin...

Don't buy the GW ones just yet... Wait for Raging Heroes...

Raging heroes? Expand please.

Ive been using 3 units of 5 glade riders and I find there usefull for a few things. What with our units beign super squishy now I dont let them get into combat if I can help it.

Ive been keeping them back letting them fire at the enemy. when he gets close enough I march them along the side of the unit and then just circle them firing shots all the while. Depending on how my opponents set up theydont get charged at all.

Helps keep me in the fight just a little bit longer.

Also big units of glade gaurd are great with the razor standard. They just mow things down at short range.

I used to do this with my scouts, run past their charge arcs and then just shoot into their rear ranks, or magehunted. Opponents would rarely bother to turn a unit around to face them, good times. Now with Skirmishers being able to march and shoot this sort of thing should be good again.

Whats the razor standard? is it armour piercing?

AgeOfEgos wrote:Treekin are freaking insane. They are hands down the best looking unit for a WE in 8th right now. They love Life spells and pretty much stomped anything I pointed them at (Chaos Warriors, Knights, etc.) I think either go 3X2 for rank or 4x1 for attacks (Of course, don't forget free reform if you win..)

Correct me if i'm wrong but treekin (being monster infantry) get full attacks up to 3 ranks deep, though only those in base contact get stomp. so 3x2 or 4x1 your only actually losing one attack.

You get two ranks full attack but the stomp is an auto-hit...which is essentially two more attacks (averaging one hit per 2 swings). So, if you have only have 4 guys..might as well throw him in the front rank.

infamousxiii wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Treekin are freaking insane. They are hands down the best looking unit for a WE in 8th right now. They love Life spells and pretty much stomped anything I pointed them at (Chaos Warriors, Knights, etc.) I think either go 3X2 for rank or 4x1 for attacks (Of course, don't forget free reform if you win..)

Correct me if i'm wrong but treekin (being monster infantry) get full attacks up to 3 ranks deep, though only those in base contact get stomp. so 3x2 or 4x1 your only actually losing one attack.

After a game last monday, our resident Wood Elves player added in allot of Treekin in his army. His list was basicly

Lord
2 Spellsingers

2x20 Glade Guards
40 Eternal Guards
3x6 Treekin
Treeman

This worked allot better for him after his inital game. Many armies just need to rethink their army to suit the 8th edition.

so is the basic consensus that it's not a good idea to play scouts?

All right fellas seeing how we are all wood elf players here should I use the following 1500 pt list next week in a tournament or should I run one of my other two armies? Here's the WE list I have in mind.

Lords
Treeman Ancient: Annoyance of netlings, cluster of radiants 375 pts

Hero:
Noble, BSB, elven steed, asyendi's bane, hail of doom arrow, dragon helm, light armor, 154pts

Core:
10xglade guard
5xglade riders
14xdryads, branchnymph, 180 pts

Special:
4xTreekin, 260 pts

rare:
Treeman

Pretty much I hit like a ton of bricks. My shooting isnt great and I totally lack a magic phase. Ive noticed that magic is so fickled it really doesnt matter majority of the time, plus if anyone is stupid enough to leave their caster outside a unit Ill just use HoD arrow, such as a choas caster on a disk or in a chariot. My empire list is made for close combat and also lacks a caster, but has an arch lector and a warrior priest to add extra dispell dice and say some prayers for the boys. While my DE's have a black guard deathstar, caster, and tons of shooting. So which one should I go with as I am torn?

nieto666 wrote:All right fellas seeing how we are all wood elf players here should I use the following 1500 pt list next week in a tournament or should I run one of my other two armies? Here's the WE list I have in mind.

Lords
Treeman Ancient: Annoyance of netlings, cluster of radiants 375 pts

Hero:
Noble, BSB, elven steed, asyendi's bane, hail of doom arrow, dragon helm, light armor, 154pts

Core:
10xglade guard
5xglade riders
14xdryads, branchnymph, 180 pts

Special:
4xTreekin, 260 pts

rare:
Treeman

Pretty much I hit like a ton of bricks. My shooting isnt great and I totally lack a magic phase. Ive noticed that magic is so fickled it really doesnt matter majority of the time, plus if anyone is stupid enough to leave their caster outside a unit Ill just use HoD arrow, such as a choas caster on a disk or in a chariot. My empire list is made for close combat and also lacks a caster, but has an arch lector and a warrior priest to add extra dispell dice and say some prayers for the boys. While my DE's have a black guard deathstar, caster, and tons of shooting. So which one should I go with as I am torn?

It's really tough to pass on a caster. Lore of Life is very strong and compliments your Treeman/Treekin plus a Lvl 4 w/ Orb pretty is pretty solid defense....

@nieto666
Looks pretty nice, and as you say, hit like a brick. That is how I interpet the wood elves now. You're supposed to support your treemen and tree kin with elves and stomp over the enemy.

AgeOfEgos wrote:It's really tough to pass on a caster. Lore of Life is very strong and compliments your Treeman/Treekin plus a Lvl 4 w/ Orb pretty is pretty solid defense....

Does this mean WE are awful at lower points levels where it's impractical to take a L4 caster? Or should we just spend the points regardless of how it affects the rest of the army?