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Second try:


Baharroth

Jetaurch
=300


10x Wraithguard
10x Wraithguard
10x Wraithguard
=1050

10x Rangers
10x Rangers
15x Storm guardians
=500

Support weapon Vibro cannon

Support weapon Vibro cannon

Support weapon Vibro cannon
=150

2000 pts
(0 Warlocks, Spiritseers or Farseers)

(no anti- tank)

(very slow)

(Very Low VoF)

My take on a Dark Eldar List. Using Terrible Wargear to its fullest.


HQ 6 Heamonculus with Webway portal, Plasma + Haywire Grenade, Gruesome Talisman, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Soul Seeker Amunition, Tormentor Helm 648 Pts.


Elite 2 groups of 5x wyches all with Plasma and Haywire Grenades and Wych Weapons,
Succubus with Webway Portal, Gruesome Talisman, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Soul Seeker Amunition, Tormentor Helm 330 pts.

Troops 6 Sets of 10x Warriors,
Sybarite with Webway Portal, Plasma + Haywire Grenade, Gruesome Talisman, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Soul Seeker Amunition, Tormentor Helm 1014 pts.

Total 1992 pts.


The whole army is LD 8 with small squad sizes for many leadership tests in the shooting phase. Low armor Saves. No power weapons. No guns over S3. The only way to get S4 is for a good roll on the wych drug table and this is the only anti tank ability in the army. T3 except for the Hemis. Only 76 models.

So far I think this is going to be my choice, but I am not sure yet.

Ok so ignoring the DA FAQ:

Libby w/ Plasma pistol, and meltabombs-140

5 man tac-90

tac squad w/ plasma pistol, meltabombs, 22 sets of additional space marines (115 tacs total including only 1 sarge in 1 squad)-1760pts

and thats 1990 pts

@another try at wraithguard eldar: 30 T6 3+ save scoring units is hard. They also supply anti-tank/MC weapons. You also have 3 more scoring units, all of which are actually decent. It not a good list, but it's far from the worst list. Wraithguard are too good to be included in a worst of list.

svendrex wrote: My take on a Dark Eldar List. Using Terrible Wargear to its fullest.


HQ 6 Heamonculus with Webway portal, Plasma + Haywire Grenade, Gruesome Talisman, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Soul Seeker Amunition, Tormentor Helm 648 Pts.


Elite 2 groups of 5x wyches all with Plasma and Haywire Grenades and Wych Weapons,
Succubus with Webway Portal, Gruesome Talisman, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Soul Seeker Amunition, Tormentor Helm 330 pts.

Troops 6 Sets of 10x Warriors,
Sybarite with Webway Portal, Plasma + Haywire Grenade, Gruesome Talisman, Trophy Rack, Hell Mask, Soul Seeker Amunition, Tormentor Helm 1014 pts.

Total 1992 pts.


The whole army is LD 8 with small squad sizes for many leadership tests in the shooting phase. Low armor Saves. No power weapons. No guns over S3. The only way to get S4 is for a good roll on the wych drug table and this is the only anti tank ability in the army. T3 except for the Hemis. Only 76 models.

So far I think this is going to be my choice, but I am not sure yet.

Now we're starting to talk. You still have too many troops though. Is it possible to buy scourges without heavy weapons?

All I know well enough to even begin to fathom this game of sucking is Eldar, but I'll give it a shot:

HQ: Autarch, no weapon upgrade, just his dumb shuriken pistol. Oh yeah he does give you a reserve roll bonus I guess.

TR: 10 guardians, shuricannon
TR: 10 guardians, shuricannon

These guys just suck, especially in the minimal 10 squad size. No range, no save worth a damn, bad Ld, no toughness. Ooooh they have fleet though! and a high Initiative for their 1 attack at S3 WS3... And way overpriced compared to other armys basic troop choices. Each squad costs 90 points and dies to a single turn of fire from, well, anything.

FA: 3 squads of 3 Vypers, shuricannon and bright lance, holofield, etc every upgrade you can get... these things can be swatted like flies, carry two overpriced weapons when they can only fire one, open topped AV10 means holo-fields ain't gonna make much difference. Each one has vector engines, star engines, spirit stones, holo fields... all close to useless in combination with the 5th ed. vehicle move-n-shoot rules that totally nerfed them... each one costs 165 points so x9 thats 1485 wasted points on 9 models that can be shot down with a bolter but just move around fast and fire 1 gun a turn (maybe) .

EL: Harlequins(10) no upgrades, no kisses, no veil-of-tears, just a walking wad of points with lots of ineffective furious charging S3 attacks. and a 5+ invul. Yeah that'll keep them safe...

I have 75 points left... what to do with 75 points... ah yes...

another useless shuriken pistol wielding autarch! 70 points. that makes 1995... has jack gak for troops, 9 easily gunned down vehicles, and 2 redundant HQ... Not bad for my first time 'this army sucks' attempt...

Hmm, I played someone who once took a 2000 point Ork list that was absolute crap. His "super-powerful" unit of Flash Gitz cost more than my Baneblade. He had given them every upgrade under the sun and they still sucked.

2000 Pts - Daemonhunters Army

HQ

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor Lord 238 - Teleport Homer Purity Seals Grimoire of True Names Sacred Incense Emperor's Tarot Psychic Hood Holy Relic #Word of the Emperor #Sanctuary #Holocaust Sage x3 Familiar x3

Elites

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor 149 - Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics Consecrated Scrolls Psychic Hood #Banishment #Destroy Daemon #Sanctuary #Word of the Emperor Familiar x3

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor 149 - Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics Consecrated Scrolls Psychic Hood #Banishment #Destroy Daemon #Sanctuary #Word of the Emperor Familiar x3

Ordo Malleus Inquisitor 149 - Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics Consecrated Scrolls Psychic Hood #Banishment #Destroy Daemon #Sanctuary #Word of the Emperor Familiar x3

Troops
Inquisitorial Storm Troopers 10 man 135 - Veteran Stormtrooper Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers 10 man 135 - Veteran Stormtrooper Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers 10 man 135 - Veteran Stormtrooper Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers 10 man 135 - Veteran Stormtrooper Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers 10 man 135 - Veteran Stormtrooper Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics

Inquisitorial Storm Troopers 10 man 135 - Veteran Stormtrooper Teleport Homer Frag Grenades Targeter Auspex Krak Grenades Bionics

Heavy Support

Grey Knights Purgation Squad 10 man 335 - Grey Knights; Incinerator (x4) Grey Knight Justicar

Grey Knights Purgation Squad 4 man 170 - Incinerator (x3) Grey Knight Justicar

All psychic power only affect Daemons and every squad has teleport homers but no one can deep strike. None of the inquisitors have any weapons

Lets give this a shot.

Tyranids 2000 pts

HQ

Hive Tyrant
TL Deathspitter, Heavy venom cannon, Hive Commander, Indescribable Horror, Old Adversary, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Acid Blood, Implant Attack, Toxic Miasma, Regeneration, Wings.
430 pts


Hive Tyrant
TL Deathspitter, Heavy venom cannon, Hive Commander, Indescribable Horror, Old Adversary, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Acid Blood, Implant Attack, Toxic Miasma, Regeneration, Wings.
430 pts



Thats a total of 860 points spent on HQ. I was tempted to throw in some tyrant guards and bring the total up to 1310, but I didn't want to make it too tough.


Troops

Ripper Swarms x 9
Spinefists, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
225 pts

Ripper Swarms x 9
Spinefists, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
225 pts

Ripper Swarms x 9
Spinefists, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
225 pts

Ripper Swarms x 9
Spinefists, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Tunnel Swarm
225 pts


Yay ripper swarms. Even when they aren't sitting around eating themselves, these guys can't capture objectives.


Fast Attack

Spore Mines x 6
60 pts

Spore Mines x 6
60 pts

Spore Mines x 5
50 pts


These things tend to either all blow up in a chain reaction before they even get to move, or they drift uselessly around an empty section of table because your opponent saw them, and deployed somewhere else.


Elites

Lictor x 1
65 pts

I think lictors are the nids worst elite choice, at least a pyrovore might be able to fry a few guys before getting shot off the table.


Total: 1995 points

Funny that, because the Lictor used to be the most feared of all the 'nids when they first came out in 2nd... (sigh) codex updates...

I like how half your stuff can kill itself. Pretty good angle. Hadn't thought of that.

Oh, I like that tyranid list, it certainly has potential to be one of the worst. I think a walking pyro would be much worse than the lictor though.

Illumini wrote:@another try at wraithguard eldar: 30 T6 3+ save scoring units is hard. They also supply anti-tank/MC weapons. You also have 3 more scoring units, all of which are actually decent. It not a good list, but it's far from the worst list. Wraithguard are too good to be included in a worst of list.

I disagree for the following reasons:

1)The 10 x Wraithguard are not scoring. Book staes tha they have to be acompanied by a spiritseer to scoring.

2)This list was built to lose againt the gretchin list. Other than the tissue paper ranger units, It has no long range weapons, no speed, and a VoF so low that it would take all game to force one gretchin unit to break.

3) There are no real assaut squads so that when it gets time to take objectives the gretchen swarms will be able to take on or at least bog down any of the Eldar units.

4)The most effective units in my Eldar list are Baharroth, a naked JetAurch, and rangers.

Ha. That blood angels list is so bad I had ti take a couple more looks at it. Emperor's throne death company are expensive! Glad I don't play blood angels...

focusedfire wrote:

Illumini wrote:@another try at wraithguard eldar: 30 T6 3+ save scoring units is hard. They also supply anti-tank/MC weapons. You also have 3 more scoring units, all of which are actually decent. It not a good list, but it's far from the worst list. Wraithguard are too good to be included in a worst of list.

I disagree for the following reasons:

1)The 10 x Wraithguard are not scoring. Book staes tha they have to be acompanied by a spiritseer to scoring.

2)This list was built to lose againt the gretchin list. Other than the tissue paper ranger units, It has no long range weapons, no speed, and a VoF so low that it would take all game to force one gretchin unit to break.

3) There are no real assaut squads so that when it gets time to take objectives the gretchen swarms will be able to take on or at least bog down any of the Eldar units.

4)The most effective units in my Eldar list are Baharroth, a naked JetAurch, and rangers.

Ok, didn't know you needed the spiritseer. Still, you can't build the worst eldar list without spending 1500pts on vypers. Also, rangers have stealth, right?

@ Illumini

You can take scourges with only splinter rifles. The only issue is that they are still fast. There is still the Blood Angel List I posted that can be beaten by anything fast as you can lure the Death Company away. The choice is between slow and scoring units or faster and non-scoring. Depending on the list I am facing one of those choices would be worse, but I am not sure which one...

Three of the squads of 10x warriors could be traded for a 5x squad of scourges. They are exactly te same point cost. the list would lose 15 bodies and 3 scouring units, but gain 3 units that can move quickly.

Ouze wrote:I didn't even know what space pope was until last week.

Space pope?

Some fun looking stuff in here. One thing I noticed though - the "Spam 100 of the worst unit in the codex army - hur hur" armies are kind of...dumb. The premise of making your opponent's army has the potential for being an absolute riot of a game, but really who wants to play with a giant mob of the same unit?

In a 2k game, I would propose you need to take 2 units from each possible force slot. That way you actually have to THINK about what you're giving your opponent rather then looking for stuff that wasn't playtested very well. It'd be really interesting figuring out what heavy support to give your opponent considering how much trouble the crap units will probably have taking out even AV12. Just thinking about a CSM list, what would you not want to see in the heavy slot? Everything has the potential for some pretty serious pain, even if they're not the most points efficient.

Illumini wrote:Ok, didn't know you needed the spiritseer. Still, you can't build the worst eldar list without spending 1500pts on vypers. Also, rangers have stealth, right?

Those 1,500 point vypers are going to have a HARD time going down though.

I STILL can't believe you can actually get holo-fields on them.

Rangers indeed have stealth... and a 5+ save, and WS 3...

Vypers in a squadron die on 3+, or a 5+ on a glancing hit.

Against most of these armies, they also won't hurt anything. I think those 9 vypers are the biggest pointsink in any army

Heh, at least they're holo-fielded, unlike my usual vypers.

Master of the Forge w/Conversion Beamer

Scout Squad w/5 Shotguns
Scout Squad w/5 Shotguns

Vanguard Veteran Squad w/Jump Packs
-- 3 TH/SS VanVets
-- 7 2xTH VanVets
Vanguard Veteran Squad w/Jump Packs
-- 3 TH/SS VanVets
-- 7 2xTH VanVets

Conversion Beamer gives them a chance.

i played someone who took as many leman russes as possible and they were soo badly done and he profesed they were awsome and he also made up rules and the list wasnt even leagal.

muppet slayer wrote:i played someone who took as many leman russes as possible and they were soo badly done and he profesed they were awsome and he also made up rules and the list wasnt even leagal.

I knew someone like that as well.

Hrm, for Chaos i offer you this...

Ahriman
2x20 Rubric Marines with boon of mutation ( the one which turns a hostile model into a spawn )
1x12 Rubric Marines with boon of mutation
3x3 Chaos Spawn
->1987 points and utterly useless

I still think 1500 points of 9 overupgraded easy to kill Vypers is FTW. Add on naked autarchs and naked harlies and minimal guardians and you have an army that couldn't win even against that self-destructive nid list.

I tried one with SM and this is what I came up with: NOTHING! You can't really make a worse SM army than the double storm-shield thing already posted. Maybe Rhino spam full of 5 man naked tac squads, but way overupgrading the rhinos?

Still Vypers FTW and I've been over the SM codex, ork codex, SW codex, and I can't think of a better points sink.

I knew someone who would run a terrible Ork list consisting of overpowered units which were focused on ranged attacks rather than CC. . I also once played their Daemon army, and he was gak-scared of 3 GK Terminators, completly ignoring the rest of the army.

Hey guys... I found one... might even beat the Vypers as a point sink...
3 preds with no upgrades, just stoopid autocans. 180
, 6x 5 man tac squads with overblown rhinos (90 per squad, 75 per rhino) x6 = 990 points
, and the biggest stupidest honor guard possible (bikes, meltabombss and storm shields , standard, champy) = 920
tack on a naked captain and you get 2010 points of uselessness.

1-UP wrote:Some fun looking stuff in here. One thing I noticed though - the "Spam 100 of the worst unit in the codex army - hur hur" armies are kind of...dumb. The premise of making your opponent's army has the potential for being an absolute riot of a game, but really who wants to play with a giant mob of the same unit?

In a 2k game, I would propose you need to take 2 units from each possible force slot. That way you actually have to THINK about what you're giving your opponent rather then looking for stuff that wasn't playtested very well. It'd be really interesting figuring out what heavy support to give your opponent considering how much trouble the crap units will probably have taking out even AV12. Just thinking about a CSM list, what would you not want to see in the heavy slot? Everything has the potential for some pretty serious pain, even if they're not the most points efficient.

I think one of the worst Heavy Support type units for CSM would be a 5-man squad of Havocs, with 4 plasma guns with the Icon of Slaanesh or Khorne, with a plasma pistol, combi-plasma & Power Fist armed Aspiring Champion. Wastes a lot of points (220-230 Slaanesh-Khorne) and you can just pick them off from across the table, if they don't explode trying to fire. If you want to waste more points, give them weapons that won't explode. It's unlilkely they'll hit much before you pick them off. And if you're probably going to end up fielding a lot-of-models type bad list, maybe try a Lascannon and make the Strength and AP of it kinda wasted on all your weak little guys.

I say this because my Havocs keep dying from all the way across the table every single time (*sigh*), and rarely take out anything of any significance, even with the traditional weapons (lascannon, missile launcher, autocannon, heavy bolter) and Icon of Tzeentch.

Ok here's my shot at losing to the gretchin, courtesy of codex with hunters.

2x IQ Lord w/3 familiars, 3 penitents, 3 chirurgens, 1 sage, 3 psychic powers (hammer of the witches, his will be done, word of the emperor), master crafted power stake, auspex, bionics, digital weapons, liber hersius, psi traker, psyocculum, purity seals = 295 pts of no shooting but still not great in hth fail, (so nice, why not take it twice?)= 590 total pts

3 x Inquistors w/3 familiars, 3 acolytes all with mancatcher in place of laspistol, add power armor, he has auspex, bionics, digital weapons, liber hersius, power armor, power stake,psy tracker, psyocculum, power armor, psychic hood, purity seals and the psychic powers his will be done and word of the emperor = 247 pts no shooting and still only str 3 in hth = 741 pts of total fail

2x10 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers with priest, substitute shotguns for hellguns to make them arbites(no range 24 or ap here!), upgrade 1 to veteran, and give him auspex, bionics, power armor, master craft his shotgun, purity seals, give the priest the same thing but add a rosarius = 260 pts of range 12 str 3, ap - = 520 points

1x 7 Inquisitorial stormtroopers w/o the priest (as above) = 122 pts

1 psyk-out warhead (causes no damage, but can make you lose a power) = 30 pts

total = 2003 pts that couldn't hurt anything beyond 12, doesn't exceed str 3 and only totals 72 models

This has given me an idea for an unusual but possibly fun tournament. What would you think about a tournament where you made a list, brought your army (must be wysiwig and legal) and first two games, you switched armies with your opponent so you had to play and win with what he gave you and vice versa, but third and final round, you had to play your own for the win? If you made one too lousy, you would lose third game and be done, but make it too good and 2 other players will knock you out before round 3! Any thoughts or feedback?

sounds like fun daytona