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I guess I'm an agnostic. I think that the truth of whats "behind the curtain" is something that is and will forever be beyond man's grasp. Religion is too easily shaped by the trends of the time and by the individual storyteller's own ambitions and outlook...and I think the clock will run out before science can find any real answers.
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of cold hard reason: your irrationality, your human disease has no place in the necrontyr. Flesh is weak.
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I simply believe in justice and living a just life. Therefore the idea of Karma, a naturally occuring system of justice, (and to some extent the apsects of Reincarnation) appeal to me. I would be lying if I said I had a solid rock of any kind to stand on though.
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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
Fateweaver wrote:My only belief is that the Saints played a dirty game and paid the refs to look the other way......
Oh, religious belief? Lutheran. I believe God exists and I believe I don't have to prove he exists. Non-believers can no more prove God doesn't exist than I can prove he exists.
I also believe that right around page 5 or 6 this thread will go down in flames, just like jesse james (cookie for anyone who can tell me what song the last line eludes to).
Well played sir! Reminds me of a program I saw about Neo Cons and their views on Russia in the 80's. All the intelligence agencies were saying that the Ruskies were getting rid of their missiles and sites... but the Neo Cons attitude was to say that just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't have them.
Live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about his religion. Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life. Beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and of service to your people. When your time comes to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home.
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Nah, not really. I'm an atheist. Pretty much this:
dogma wrote:I believe that the question of one's belief in God is irrelevant. God either exists, or does not exist, whether or not we believe he exists is irrelevant to the actual nature of reality.
Functionally I'm atheist because I really don't think the question of god's existence matters. To me it would be like worshiping Timothy Dalton - he doesn't affect my life in any shape or form so why bother worshipping him, even if he IS real?
I was baptised into the anglican faith (but I was not aware of the implications and responsibilities of this at the time) at the behest of my maternal grandmother. My father, a lapsed Catholic didn't particularly care if I was baptised or not.
I never attended church meetings of any kind (Dad raised us in the belief that if we wanted any of that stuff, when we were old enough we could choose it for ourselves). I never chose it.
I'm a non-practicing non-believer (I got the non-believer part down, so I don't need to practice it anymore). Religion plays no part in my life.
The question of whether or not a god exists is irrelevant to me.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't believe God exists, but he might be very important nonetheless.
Also, for the sake of trolling, how can someone justify being a Christian after all that Hitler did?!
Same could be said of Stalin, Mao and a host of other genocidal donkey-caves throughout history. Doesn't really pertain to the modern dictators since they were Godless.
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Oh and OT i am officially C of E but have no interest in it at all, i have no isses with your average person of faith, but i think that devoutly religious people that stick dogmatically to their ancient books should crow bar their minds out of the stoneage. (Orthodox Jews, Creationists etc)
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Atheistic since before I could remember. My parents families were pretty religious, but when they met each other, church fell out of their lives and they became Atheist. I have never been to Church, have never believed, and honestly, I don't think I ever will.
N' Yeah, even though I walks froo' da Shader of da Valley of Death
I ain't fraid a' no umies': Cuz youze is wif me;
Yer Dakka and yer Chop, they's pretty good
Youze gots a Kan in front o' me when da' umies' iz mucking about;
Youze paint me ead' wif oil;
Me gubbinz overfloweth with Dakka, and me wotzits runneth over with Chop.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:That’s it. I’m sick of all this “S3 AP- Assault 2” bs that’s going on in the Imperial Guard codex right now. Shotguns deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine shotgun in Japan for 5,000 Thrones (that’s about $200) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even blow up squads of genestealers with my shotgun.
IG smiths spend years working on a single shotgun and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest weapons known to the Imperium of Mankind.
Shotguns are thrice as deadly as guns that shoot armor-piercing missiles and thrice as deadly as laser guns for that matter too. Anything a pulse rifle can shoot through, a shotgun can shoot through better. I’m pretty sure a shotgun could easily instakill a nob wearing mega armor with a simple solid slug.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering northern Minnesota? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Fateweavers and their shotguns of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the shotguns first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Shotguns are simply the best gun that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Warhammer 40k system. Here is the stat block I propose for IG Shotguns:
(Buckshot) Range: 18" S 6 AP 4 Assault 2, Blast, Ignores Cover, Pinning
(Slug) Range: 24" S 9 AP 1 Assault 2, Rending, Gets Hot
Now that seems a lot more representative of the killing power of shotguns in real life, don’t you think?
tl;dr = Shotguns need to do more damage in 40k, see my new stat block.
You know who loved shotguns like that? Hitler.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I find it rather difficult to accept as truth the traditional theistic notion of God, especially the Christian view of God.
*note: I am not disparaging Christians at all, simply pointing out why I am no longer Christian.
As I started to really think about it, some things just didn't make sense:
If God is omniscient, how can we have free will? If he knows everything, than he knows before he creates someone exactly how they are going to turn out, every decision they will ever make, before he creates them. And also, if he is truly omniscient, he knows every decision he is going to BEFORE he makes it. He knows whether or not he will decide to create someone/something before he actually does. This would seem that God himself has no free will.
If God is omniscient how can he be a loving god, as the Bible says? For example, Hitler. If God knows everything, than he knew the crimes that Hitler would commit before he even created him, yet he created Hitler anyway. Is God so sadistic as to create a monster like Hitler? That doesn't sound very loving.
If God is all powerful as many religious texts say, than he most certainly can not be loving. If he truly loved his creations than he would have made them so that no living thing would cause any other living thing pain or suffering. No animal would have to kill another for food, there would be no disease, no unhappiness.
rubiksnoob wrote:I find it rather difficult to accept as truth the traditional theistic notion of God, especially the Christian view of God.
*note: I am not disparaging Christians at all, simply pointing out why I am no longer Christian.
As I started to really think about it, some things just didn't make sense:
If God is omniscient, how can we have free will? If he knows everything, than he knows before he creates someone exactly how they are going to turn out, every decision they will ever make, before he creates them. And also, if he is truly omniscient, he knows every decision he is going to BEFORE he makes it. He knows whether or not he will decide to create someone/something before he actually does. This would seem that God himself has no free will.
If God is omniscient how can he be a loving god, as the Bible says? For example, Hitler. If God knows everything, than he knew the crimes that Hitler would commit before he even created him, yet he created Hitler anyway. Is God so sadistic as to create a monster like Hitler? That doesn't sound very loving.
If God is all powerful as many religious texts say, than he most certainly can not be loving. If he truly loved his creations than he would have made them so that no living thing would cause any other living thing pain or suffering. No animal would have to kill another for food, there would be no disease, no unhappiness.
Just my opinion on it.
One of arguments I loved, (Which came from a struggling Christian who then reaffirmed his faith, oddly) was,
"God is three things.
All knowing, all loving, and all powerful. But with the state of the things today, they do not fit together in one being.
If God were All loving and All Powerful, his lack of knowledge could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All Knowing and All Loving, his lack of power could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All knowing and All Powerful, his lack of love could excuse the state of today's world.
But he is all of these things, and I simply don't understand how they fit together."
Now, I'm not attacking anyones faith here, so lets PLEASE not start arguing on the existance/state of god now.
N' Yeah, even though I walks froo' da Shader of da Valley of Death
I ain't fraid a' no umies': Cuz youze is wif me;
Yer Dakka and yer Chop, they's pretty good
Youze gots a Kan in front o' me when da' umies' iz mucking about;
Youze paint me ead' wif oil;
Me gubbinz overfloweth with Dakka, and me wotzits runneth over with Chop.
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Is that supposed to ne clever? How is it that the Chuck Norris meme is disparaged but the FSM still has carte blanche to still be brought up like it's still relevant?
Is there a law similar to Godwin's on the subject?
Not trying to flame, but bringing up that line of argument is blatantly trollish IMO.
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Haters gon' hate.
Is that supposed to ne clever? How is it that the Chuck Norris meme is disparaged but the FSM still has carte blanche to still be brought up like it's still relevant?
Is there a law similar to Godwin's on the subject?
Not trying to flame, but bringing up that line of argument is blatantly trollish IMO.
All right, I guess a more "relevant" line of argument is,
If you can believe in God with no proof other than your book, then I could just as easily believe in Grimnir as I can in god with nothing more than my Codex.
N' Yeah, even though I walks froo' da Shader of da Valley of Death
I ain't fraid a' no umies': Cuz youze is wif me;
Yer Dakka and yer Chop, they's pretty good
Youze gots a Kan in front o' me when da' umies' iz mucking about;
Youze paint me ead' wif oil;
Me gubbinz overfloweth with Dakka, and me wotzits runneth over with Chop.
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Is that supposed to ne clever? How is it that the Chuck Norris meme is disparaged but the FSM still has carte blanche to still be brought up like it's still relevant?
Is there a law similar to Godwin's on the subject?
Not trying to flame, but bringing up that line of argument is blatantly trollish IMO.
i personally think the FSM is a funny satire of Creationists, but it really doesn't have much of a purpose in a thread like this, other than to provoke people. It would be best if people just left it out of the discussion.
I'm actually an antitheist for logical, probabilistic, philosophical, and (ironically) moral reasons. I'll always bite on a religious debate but I never make a point to argue with people because it is not only rude but futile.
There are some people who can handle the idea of religion within it's proper context and I can respect that. But the people who take the stories and metaphors written several thousand years ago (translated recursively at that) as the literal word of god are honestly a danger to peace, happiness, and progress of our species as a whole.
Is that supposed to ne clever? How is it that the Chuck Norris meme is disparaged but the FSM still has carte blanche to still be brought up like it's still relevant?
Is there a law similar to Godwin's on the subject?
Not trying to flame, but bringing up that line of argument is blatantly trollish IMO.
All right, I guess a more "relevant" line of argument is,
If you can believe in God with no proof other than your book, then I could just as easily believe in Grimnir as I can in god with nothing more than my Codex.
Careful with the "you", as I've already outlined my feelings on the subject.
I'm not bringing this up for my benefit, but for those that are trying to have a conversation without Straw Men being made of their beliefs.
Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
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Haters gon' hate.
Is that supposed to ne clever? How is it that the Chuck Norris meme is disparaged but the FSM still has carte blanche to still be brought up like it's still relevant?
Is there a law similar to Godwin's on the subject?
Not trying to flame, but bringing up that line of argument is blatantly trollish IMO.
All right, I guess a more "relevant" line of argument is,
If you can believe in God with no proof other than your book, then I could just as easily believe in Grimnir as I can in god with nothing more than my Codex.
Careful with the "you", as I've already outlined my feelings on the subject.
I'm not bringing this up for my benefit, but for those that are trying to have a conversation without Straw Men being made of their beliefs.
Oh, I don't want to argue on beliefs. I'm a set-in-stone Atheist, as I said before, but I don't challenge anyone's beliefs.
Except Otherkin, Flat-Earth Society, and ManBearPig sightings.
N' Yeah, even though I walks froo' da Shader of da Valley of Death
I ain't fraid a' no umies': Cuz youze is wif me;
Yer Dakka and yer Chop, they's pretty good
Youze gots a Kan in front o' me when da' umies' iz mucking about;
Youze paint me ead' wif oil;
Me gubbinz overfloweth with Dakka, and me wotzits runneth over with Chop.
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I hope no one hates me for saying this but i think religion is , well not a good thing , it has causded the world LOTS of probleams , but i still think munks are preety EPIC and Gandhi are cool , but most big religons have divided and well done and causded bad things such as hatred of Gays and the dislike of womans rights , but there is nothing wrong in beliving in your religon.
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The biggest indicator someone is a loser is them complaining about 3d printers or piracy.
Is that supposed to ne clever? How is it that the Chuck Norris meme is disparaged but the FSM still has carte blanche to still be brought up like it's still relevant?
Is there a law similar to Godwin's on the subject?
Not trying to flame, but bringing up that line of argument is blatantly trollish IMO.
All right, I guess a more "relevant" line of argument is,
If you can believe in God with no proof other than your book, then I could just as easily believe in Grimnir as I can in god with nothing more than my Codex.
Careful with the "you", as I've already outlined my feelings on the subject.
I'm not bringing this up for my benefit, but for those that are trying to have a conversation without Straw Men being made of their beliefs.
Oh, I don't want to argue on beliefs. I'm a set-in-stone Atheist, as I said before, but I don't challenge anyone's beliefs.
Except Otherkin, Flat-Earth Society, and ManBearPig sightings.
Fair enough!
Manbearpig is something we can all agree on.
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rubiksnoob wrote:I find it rather difficult to accept as truth the traditional theistic notion of God, especially the Christian view of God.
*note: I am not disparaging Christians at all, simply pointing out why I am no longer Christian.
As I started to really think about it, some things just didn't make sense:
If God is omniscient, how can we have free will? If he knows everything, than he knows before he creates someone exactly how they are going to turn out, every decision they will ever make, before he creates them. And also, if he is truly omniscient, he knows every decision he is going to BEFORE he makes it. He knows whether or not he will decide to create someone/something before he actually does. This would seem that God himself has no free will.
If God is omniscient how can he be a loving god, as the Bible says? For example, Hitler. If God knows everything, than he knew the crimes that Hitler would commit before he even created him, yet he created Hitler anyway. Is God so sadistic as to create a monster like Hitler? That doesn't sound very loving.
If God is all powerful as many religious texts say, than he most certainly can not be loving. If he truly loved his creations than he would have made them so that no living thing would cause any other living thing pain or suffering. No animal would have to kill another for food, there would be no disease, no unhappiness.
Just my opinion on it.
One of arguments I loved, (Which came from a struggling Christian who then reaffirmed his faith, oddly) was,
"God is three things.
All knowing, all loving, and all powerful. But with the state of the things today, they do not fit together in one being.
If God were All loving and All Powerful, his lack of knowledge could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All Knowing and All Loving, his lack of power could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All knowing and All Powerful, his lack of love could excuse the state of today's world.
But he is all of these things, and I simply don't understand how they fit together."
Now, I'm not attacking anyones faith here
You kinda just did.
EDIT:
Good to see we went from a "what religion are you?" to another "lets bash religion" thread. I was getting worried for a minute.
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rubiksnoob wrote:I find it rather difficult to accept as truth the traditional theistic notion of God, especially the Christian view of God.
*note: I am not disparaging Christians at all, simply pointing out why I am no longer Christian.
As I started to really think about it, some things just didn't make sense:
If God is omniscient, how can we have free will? If he knows everything, than he knows before he creates someone exactly how they are going to turn out, every decision they will ever make, before he creates them. And also, if he is truly omniscient, he knows every decision he is going to BEFORE he makes it. He knows whether or not he will decide to create someone/something before he actually does. This would seem that God himself has no free will.
If God is omniscient how can he be a loving god, as the Bible says? For example, Hitler. If God knows everything, than he knew the crimes that Hitler would commit before he even created him, yet he created Hitler anyway. Is God so sadistic as to create a monster like Hitler? That doesn't sound very loving.
If God is all powerful as many religious texts say, than he most certainly can not be loving. If he truly loved his creations than he would have made them so that no living thing would cause any other living thing pain or suffering. No animal would have to kill another for food, there would be no disease, no unhappiness.
Just my opinion on it.
One of arguments I loved, (Which came from a struggling Christian who then reaffirmed his faith, oddly) was,
"God is three things.
All knowing, all loving, and all powerful. But with the state of the things today, they do not fit together in one being.
If God were All loving and All Powerful, his lack of knowledge could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All Knowing and All Loving, his lack of power could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All knowing and All Powerful, his lack of love could excuse the state of today's world.
But he is all of these things, and I simply don't understand how they fit together."
Now, I'm not attacking anyones faith here
You kinda just did.
EDIT:
Good to see we went from a "what religion are you?" to another "lets bash religion" thread. I was getting worried for a minute.
Arctik_Firangi wrote:He isn't, he just presented an argument. Frazz is bored, and we all love that exploding head animation.
Yea it is choice isn't it.
Since we're completely not on the subject:
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
"You are welcome to post once in this thread.
Denote your religion, do not respond to other posts in this thread, do not create new threads with 'religion' in the title, and GTFO."
Haddi wrote:
One of arguments I loved, (Which came from a struggling Christian who then reaffirmed his faith, oddly) was,
"God is three things.
All knowing, all loving, and all powerful. But with the state of the things today, they do not fit together in one being.
If God were All loving and All Powerful, his lack of knowledge could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All Knowing and All Loving, his lack of power could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All knowing and All Powerful, his lack of love could excuse the state of today's world.
But he is all of these things, and I simply don't understand how they fit together."
Now, I'm not attacking anyones faith here, so lets PLEASE not start arguing on the existance/state of god now.
To my mind, All Loving implies an acceptance of the world as is; ie. God loves everything in the world, even those things we consider to be bad.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Haddi wrote:
One of arguments I loved, (Which came from a struggling Christian who then reaffirmed his faith, oddly) was,
"God is three things.
All knowing, all loving, and all powerful. But with the state of the things today, they do not fit together in one being.
If God were All loving and All Powerful, his lack of knowledge could excuse the state of today's world
If God were All Knowing and All Loving, his lack of power could excuse the state of today's world.
If God were All knowing and All Powerful, his lack of love could excuse the state of today's world.
But he is all of these things, and I simply don't understand how they fit together."
Now, I'm not attacking anyones faith here, so lets PLEASE not start arguing on the existance/state of god now.
To my mind, All Loving implies an acceptance of the world as is; ie. God loves everything in the world, even those things we consider to be bad.
You can love someone while disapproving of their behavior.
Case in point, I have a brother in jail. I love him, but I think he's a fething useless reprobate.
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