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Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't believe God exists, but he might be very important nonetheless.

Also, for the sake of trolling, how can someone justify being a Christian after all that Hitler did?!

OMG SOMEONE BROUGHT UP NAZIS! > Godwin's Law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

In other news technically Hitler was Jewish as the Mother's Faith at Birth is what dictates the child's religion in Judaism.


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PS: I lol'd

So you're saying the holocaust never happened? That's it, I'm calling the German police!

This thread is officially reductio ad hitlerumized.

God help us all.

Oh god.. I has been overcome with lawlz!

Orkeosaurus wrote:I don't believe God exists, but he might be very important nonetheless.

Also, for the sake of trolling, how can someone justify being a Christian after all that Hitler did?!

Hitler wasn't really all that Christian. Christians were actually on his chopping block whenever he finished with the people he wanted dead first, especially Catholics; not necessarily killing them but he wanted to remove religion as a factor in Germany. National Socialism didn't like sharing people's loyalty with god . He used Christianity, German Protestantism in particular, to reach his ends when it was to his advantage but that was par for the course from him. If something could be used to get more power Hitler used it, but he most certainly didn't plan on letting stay around if he thought it would get in his way down the road.

This thread never had a chance.

Goodjob dakka.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=184

Shadowbrand wrote:This thread never had a chance.

Goodjob dakka.

It's the internet. Religions threads never ever have a chance

I feel about Christ the same way I feel about Elvis. I like the guy, love his work, but can't stand most of his fans.


Now, Seriously. I believe in an ordering force to the universe, because there are too many things in the universe that work off of mathematics and too much symmetry for me to believe otherwise. As to giving such a force a name, I feel it is a bit arrogant on the part of humanity to think that we can give such a specific name. Instead, you call it what you feel is right for you and I'll call it what I feel is right for me.

As to labeling my belief structure? Hmm, I believe in valuing wisdom regardless of the source sooo...I guess the best description is that I am a Messianic, Buddhist, Jew that recognizes the value of various differing philosophies.

Now, as to the concept of organised religion. I view it sort of as a necessary evil. This is because every organization no matter how well conceived will become corrupt as it expands. Thisis because of the basic nature of how humans interact and group together to gain influence(a societal survival trait). Yet, even though the organization may become corrupt on the grand scale, the various Synagogues, Churches, Buddhist Temples, Ashrams and other such communal places generally provide, at smaller the community level, a very beneficial and maybe necessary function.

Do I expect anyone else to believe as I do? What does it matter? I've found what works for me and you will find what works for you. No worries.

Me. im christian. I believe in god. I believe that those who beleive in god and jesus and that he died for our sins regaardless of the type of religion. I also dont hate atheists aslong as they arent the jerk kind. the kind that go "there schools based of fairy tales(religious school) i cant beleive you believe that in that." Not the "oh your christian i didnt know that and never mention it again."
i also beleive in forgiving and forgetting not matter the crime.

Atheist here *waves*.

Don't really get religion and how you could believe some of the... more interesting shall we say? aspects of it. But hey, who am I to judge. Takes all sorts to make a world and so long as what you are doing isn't hurting anyone and you are not trying to bash your beliefs (or lack of them) down people's throats, knock yourself out.

My wife could best be described as a nontheist - doesn't think about, care, or believe anything to do with religion/god/no god/etc. It is not important to her in any way, which is pretty cool.

SilverMK2 wrote:Atheist here *waves*.

Don't really get religion and how you could believe some of the... more interesting shall we say? aspects of it. But hey, who am I to judge.

You realize you kinda just did judge right?

thegrav wrote:You realize you kinda just did judge right?

Everything everyone does involves pronouncing judgment in some respect - the trick is to look past it. As I said, who am I to judge what others believe? I try not to let my judgments get in the way of people, who are what is important here.

you could have said.. "DAMN RIGHT, YOU HAS BEEN JUDGEDED!"

I was being sarcastic and silly

LordofHats wrote:Hitler wasn't really all that Christian. Christians were actually on his chopping block whenever he finished with the people he wanted dead first, especially Catholics; not necessarily killing them but he wanted to remove religion as a factor in Germany. National Socialism didn't like sharing people's loyalty with god . He used Christianity, German Protestantism in particular, to reach his ends when it was to his advantage but that was par for the course from him. If something could be used to get more power Hitler used it, but he most certainly didn't plan on letting stay around if he thought it would get in his way down the road.

Yeah, this. More than anything else the Nazis loved power, and agreed with anything that would give them more power, when that meant sidling up to a church they'd happily do it, when it meant denouncing that church they'd do that too. That said, Hitler did have a mad love for German Protestantism, because it being a protestant was all part of being a good German aryran. Actual spiritual beliefs weren't part of it.

I believe that the question of one's belief in God is irrelevant. God either exists, or does not exist, whether or not we believe he exists is irrelevant to the actual nature of reality.

Mixture of atheism and satanism. And no, satanism is not devil worship. It's something else entirely.

And before anyone asks, no, I'm not an emo or a twilight kiddy.

thegrav wrote: I was being sarcastic and silly

However, I am the law.

And you have been found wanting.

dogma wrote:I believe that the question of one's belief in God is irrelevant. God either exists, or does not exist, whether or not we believe he exists is irrelevant to the actual nature of reality.

WIN!


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SilverMK2 wrote:

thegrav wrote: I was being sarcastic and silly

However, I am the law.

And you have been found wanting.

All I heard was Sly Stallone yelling...

Dear DakkaDakka,
My search for religion and god was long and painful. I imagine it has been for some of you as well. In the end I choose to embrace god according to my perception of him/her, and not place myself under the bondage of 'organized religion'. I reckon at this point the Emperor is as good a model for the divine in my life as Christ or Buddha. But I don't hate those who follow mainstream religions. For some, that is the face truth will wear for them in this lifetime. For others like me, well we're a bit different.

Wishing you all the blessings of your deities, however you imagine him/her.

--- Frankie

..I understand it's hard to do, but could perhaps go a whole thread without Hitler rearing his feeble moustached deadhead, especially in a thread that was pretty much just an enquiry rather than a call for SORTING OUT ALL THE IMPORTANT ISSUES ... on the OT board of a wargaming forum.

Well, as someone said, it's just the law of the internet.

It's what the OT forum does. Compare things to Hitler.

Just like the 40K rules proposals forum just lists new rules for shotguns and sniper rifles, over and over and over again.

sebster wrote:It's what the OT forum does. Compare things to Hitler.

Just like the 40K rules proposals forum just lists new rules for shotguns and sniper rifles, over and over and over again.

Correction all internet conversations will eventually lead to Hitler... Godwin's Law once again


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Just give the Sniper/Shotgun threads enough time and someone will say that someone else is a Nazi-this or Nazi-that...

I agree with the Poster who wrote:

I am what you could call a Vanilla Christian. I really don't go to church, but I do believe in the message of Christ and his teachings. I also view the Bible as not just gospel, but as a book of lessons about life. A lot of the passages to me are metaphors for situations that occur in your life. I also think that God does many small miracles instead of having epic miracles. I have no problem with athiests or agnostics. They help strengthen my resolve in the word of God. "

That’s it. I’m sick of all this “S3 AP- Assault 2” bs that’s going on in the Imperial Guard codex right now. Shotguns deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I’m talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine shotgun in Japan for 5,000 Thrones (that’s about $200) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even blow up squads of genestealers with my shotgun.
IG smiths spend years working on a single shotgun and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest weapons known to the Imperium of Mankind.
Shotguns are thrice as deadly as guns that shoot armor-piercing missiles and thrice as deadly as laser guns for that matter too. Anything a pulse rifle can shoot through, a shotgun can shoot through better. I’m pretty sure a shotgun could easily instakill a nob wearing mega armor with a simple solid slug.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering northern Minnesota? That’s right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Fateweavers and their shotguns of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the shotguns first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Shotguns are simply the best gun that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Warhammer 40k system. Here is the stat block I propose for IG Shotguns:
(Buckshot) Range: 18" S 6 AP 4 Assault 2, Blast, Ignores Cover, Pinning
(Slug) Range: 24" S 9 AP 1 Assault 2, Rending, Gets Hot
Now that seems a lot more representative of the killing power of shotguns in real life, don’t you think?
tl;dr = Shotguns need to do more damage in 40k, see my new stat block.

I see what you did there.

I have been an atheist ny whole life. I see things logically and scientifically so believing there is a god is kind of impossible for me to understand.

However I can appreciate that some people need religion, and while I would prefer it not to exist, many others disagree and I don't like forcing my opinions onto them (a friendly discussions is always fun though). I can understand why people need religion and look for god and sometimes I do wish I could genuinely believe there was more than just us.

Time to open the can of worms... Anyway up to a week ago I considered myself somewhere between Athiest and Agnostic. Then through a long and tempestuous series of events (read: Google Search) I came upon a website. The ideas that this website presented to me were revelatory, and since that fateful day I now officially identify as Aquarian. (Another name for this is Spiritual Satanism! Ohnoes!)

Now just to get this out of the way, it's nothing like 'devil worship' as another poster said before. There are endless descriptions I could give here but I think a simplified list will do:
There's a lot of evidence that this was the original religion, as practiced by all those ancient, mystical civilizations like the Egyptians.
The basic concept is similar to Buddhism in that the ultimate goal of any human is to ascend to 'godhood'.
'Gods' aren't supreme mystical beings, but rather, beings who have ascended to a higher state of existence.
At some point, one such entity (or possibly a group of them) decided that they wanted to stop humanity from reaching its potential. The primary way they did this was to attempt to cut off human spirituality. Their tool for achieving this? Judeo-Christian religion. (that website and several others provide endless examples of exactly how Judeo-Christian religion has accomplished this goal, endless evidence of how the vast majority of the bible was plagiarized, etc)
A further method in accomplishing this goal was to cut humanity off from the Gods by demonizing them. (the twisting of Satan's identity into, rather than one of the most prominent gods, a 'fallen' lesser form, twisting other gods' identities into being 'demons', etc. A look back through history will show that most of the horrifying things done over the centuries were done in the name of 'God', rather than in the name of Satan. This includes mass murder, blood/human sacrifice, you name it!)
There is a scientific basis for everything in this religion (the energy that our spirits/souls/minds are composed of is called bioelectricity; the Gods are simply more evolved forms, but they too are composed of bioelectricity. This is the energy used in any kind of meditation, it's what's called our 'lifeforce', it's what powers our bodies. Any sort of 'magic', such as psychic powers or healing, are achieved through the ability to manipulate this energy, etc.)

There's so much more to all of this, I recommend that even if you think it's complete bunk you at least check it out. I won't link the websites I visited, but if you google search JoS and enkiea you'll find them. Be warned that there's a lot of anti-jew sentiment and militant-type stuff on JoS, but if you ignore those parts there's a whole lot of mind-blowing information there. Another site that JoS links to is called exposingchristianity. I wouldn't go there if you have extremely thin skin, but there's a lot of (I would say) damning evidence there. I'm sorry if I missed anything, it's like 5 am right now. And if you think I'm trolling, I don't blame you; if I was reading this thread a week ago I would have posted something like "I think all religion is stupid, but I don't presume to know all the secrets of the universe either so I guess I'm agnostic." But I really do believe what I've learned in the last week, and it's given me a concrete purpose for living, other than "I've got nothing better to do"...