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The Ultramarines are bland it seems like theyhave no flavor.

they have great history. Its just if they are the poster child for GW people will dislike them.....
If they had gold and black armor i would be so happy

templeorks wrote:The Ultramarines are bland it seems like theyhave no flavor.

Then allow me to help you there! The Ultramarines are themed after Ancient Rome prevalently, with some elements of Ancient Greece in there too. This is why they have such an organised, military flavour. You can see this in the names of places like the Fortress of Hera and of people like Captain Sicarius.
The problem is that this tends to get underplayed or forgotten entirely. Pity, really, I like the idea of Space Romans.

templeorks wrote:The Ultramarines are bland it seems like theyhave no flavor.

have you ever read the Space Marine Codex? Yeah that is bland right there! Yeah 250,000 space marines thats not a lot at all!
If you don't notice that you were completely wrong in your statement please expand on that single sentence!

No he's pretty much got it spot on. With Ultramarines there's no Blood-fang McWulfenblood Von Bloodwulf idiocy to laugh at. If you don't make a space marine army so ridiculously over the top that all you can do is laugh at how slowed they are, all you have left is 'vanilla marines'.

Ultramarines lack that charismatic underdog/on the edge, thing that everyone else has (yes I know about that pun).

All the other First/Second Founding have something like that, be it the thirst, Ryn's world, outright defying the codex, or adhering to it stricter then the Smurfs just to spite Robute, or hiding that old shame of hedging your bets on the HH.

What do the UMs have? THE ALMIGHTY POWER! THE STRONGEST POWER IN THE GALAXY!!! THE POWER OF MARY-SUE!!!

I mean come on, they have like a near utopianist empire thingy thats like the Imperium but without the suicidal levels of bureaucracy screwing?1

Yes I know they have that classic Greco-Romanic tinge that makes them somewhat interesting, then it gets trounced by all the spank out there about them.
Its only worth mentioning if its actually of use. Like making them fight in Gladitorial arenas and embracing other cliches of the classical civilizations, and them bringing it to the codex.

Considering they're also the stereotypical codex chapter, it means they're a stereotype, and tell me does anyone like a stereotype?

Also I think Marneus Calgar is retardedly over-hyped, the multiple Honour Guards rule would be good if Honour Guard had 2 wounds/Inv save/scoring/Riding dinosaurs with frickking laser beams! and his God Of War thingy improves something that traditionally SM never really had problems with, heck he feels like a generic Chaptermaster compared to the characters who come from other chapters like Shrike, Kahn, Lysander & "Vote For Pedro".

Also they do have more special characters then necessary: Calgar, Tigarus, Cassius, Sicarus, the Tank-humper and the Noob Sergeant.

Oh and 2 of the 5 most annoying/irritating people I have ever had the misfortune of meeting (outside and inside of the hobby) used Ultramarines.

SumYungGui wrote:No he's pretty much got it spot on. With Ultramarines there's no Blood-fang McWulfenblood Von Bloodwulf idiocy to laugh at. If you don't make a space marine army so ridiculously over the top that all you can do is laugh at how slowed they are, all you have left is 'vanilla marines'.

This is pretty much summing up what I was going to add to my statment. They don't leave much in Imagination Its to strict and theres no nipple armour.

hurricane117 wrote:...why do you hate Ultramarines??

Because they're the Smurfy Donald Trump-esque Posterboys of the Astartes. End of discussion.

Pre-emptive Edit before I get smacked by Ultramarine Fanboys: That was harsh. I don't hate them, but I'll tell you, you'd never catch me playing them. Like Gorskar.da.Lost, I dig the Space Romans thing. It's just not done very well, in that the Ultramarines are considered the 'Generic Marines' because they're plain. Blood Angels have Chalices here, there, and up their wazoo, the Dark Angels wear Dresses, and the Black Templars have Templar Crosses on their right butt-cheeks, but Ultramarines have... what?

SumYungGui wrote:No he's pretty much got it spot on. With Ultramarines there's no Blood-fang McWulfenblood Von Bloodwulf idiocy to laugh at. If you don't make a space marine army so ridiculously over the top that all you can do is laugh at how slowed they are, all you have left is 'vanilla marines'.

Sounds like someone has a sore spot for the non-codex chapters. In my humble opinion, only the new Blood Angels fluff reach that level of idiocy. The SW aren't nearly as badly written in their fluff. But then, it would be hard to be as bad as Marine Nipple Armour (Mk. VI)...

They're actually working on Mk VII now, with firmer and more erect nipples.

Popsicle wrote:

hurricane117 wrote:...why do you hate Ultramarines??

Because they're the Smurfy Donald Trump-esque Posterboys of the Astartes. End of discussion.

Pre-emptive Edit before I get smacked by Ultramarine Fanboys: That was harsh. I don't hate them, but I'll tell you, you'd never catch me playing them. Like Gorskar.da.Lost, I dig the Space Romans thing. It's just not done very well, in that the Ultramarines are considered the 'Generic Marines' because they're plain. Blood Angels have Chalices here, there, and up their wazoo, the Dark Angels wear Dresses, and the Black Templars have Templar Crosses on their right butt-cheeks, but Ultramarines have... what?

Perhaps they need that Roman feel amped just a bit. Not to the point of BA lunacy, but enough so people notice it.

Maybe they all need to speak with British accents, like Romans do on TV.

"Welease Wodewick!"

They've gotta have a sergeant named Biggus Dickus.

Or I will start a riot.

I don't hate them, they just don't really interest me. Plus I don't really like the colour scheme much; or more accurately I don't have any interest in painting it. The fluff isn't terrifically inspiring to me either, they're supposed to be perfection in a marine shaped package and there were bloomin loads of them, they appeared almost like the 40k equivalents of teachers pets.

Them being the ubiquitous poster boys for the inherently ubiquitous space marines doesn't really help either. It's all about perspective though, I wouldn't dream of complaining if the Imp Fists were given such lavish attention.

"Is there something funny about the name Biggus... Dickus?"

But seriously now, I do feel that quite a lot of Ultramarine hate comes from a mixture of overexposure, bad recent fluff and "it's tradition to do it!"
Perhaps if we had a greater representation of chapters on the box art, this may be less of a factor

SaintHazard wrote:They're actually working on Mk VII now, with firmer and more erect nipples.

Don't forget the 16 pack abs for more ab power to go with those firmer nipples.

templeorks wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:They're actually working on Mk VII now, with firmer and more erect nipples.

Don't forget the 16 pack abs for more ab power to go with those firmer nipples.

Because nothing says "MAN!" like perfectly sculpted ceramite abs.

I'm waiting for a Forgeworld conversion pack for the Space Wolves.

Hairy nips on power armour anyone?

I would also like to add it was the first army I had to face and it adds to the dislike I have for them.

Bullfrog wrote:I'm waiting for a Forgeworld conversion pack for the Space Wolves.

Hairy nips on power armour anyone?

NO NO NO NO NO.
NEVER.
NOT TODAY, ZURG.
Unlike the BA, SW have a modicum of cool still left to them. This shall not be lost!

Bullfrog wrote:I'm waiting for a Forgeworld conversion pack for the Space Wolves.

Hairy nips on power armour anyone?

With excesive back and butt crack hair as well, and helmets with top knots and more top knots woth teeth in them. also teeth through the nipples.

Only when your top knots have top knots do you know that you're wulfy enough.

Or, possibly, Abaddon.

SaintHazard wrote:Only when your top knots have top knots do you know that you're wulfy enough.

Or, possibly, Abaddon.

It appears the Warmaster of Chaos really hates being thought of as bald. It must be a manliness thing.

I'm personally a big fan of the Dornian Heresy where Abaddon is the first High Lord of Terra.

He's a savvy gentleman thereabouts.

Hmmmm.... well, I'll not comment on the Dornian Heresy, but we know Abaddon's a canny chap.

Just with way too much hair at much too high an altitude above his head.

I will say I like the Ultramarines in the Dornian heresay. Also the armour they have is fantastic looking.

What about Failddon?

He makes a horrible black templar. He also makes a bad ass bad guy.