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I have heard almost everywhere that people hate Ultramarines, whether it is on 40K sites or in stores. What I never heard is why. So why do you hate Ultramarines??

I actually enjoy seeing ultra marines. Brings me back to earlier years when I first started playin 40k. Nowadays it seems everyone does some ridiculous or over the top color scheme. Some look good, a good lot of them are crap.

I think that it may be that people see them as too common or too plain, but I could also be completely wrong!
Maybe no one likes the color? (I don't!)
Or maybe it's the attitude of most Ultramarines in the fluff--they seem to think that they (and their Primarch) are the only thing right. 'Course, that doesn't really seem to be unique to them.

This thread comes up pretty often.

People don't like the Ultramarines because GW uses them as their promotional paintscheme - all Marine box art has Ultras on it. They also don't like Ultramarines because the fluff portrays them as the best of the best, and that every other chapter wants to be just like them.

Most of the people who "hate" Ultramarines and say "Only little kids and babbies and n00bs play them and ugh they're everywhere" are just 13 year olds trying to sound Internet tough. Really, I've only ever seen about three Ultramarines armies in person in my entire time in this hobby, and one was mine. It's just cool to hate them because they're supposedly popular, and raging against the machine is cool.

I like that band.
And I think they're in a lot of promotional stuff from GW because they have "Marine" in their name. Then, before that: "Ultra". It helps get the points across that they're awesome SM.
Oh, and GW may push it because it's (seemingly to me, at least) a pretty easy paint scheme for beginners/anyone.

I have a small UM force.
I don't hate them but prefer my own scheme which the UM i own will get turned to.

They dont look Grim Dark
Armor too polished and clean ( most people seem to like weathered stuff )

Because everyone hates the things I like.

My favorite SM chapter is Ultramarines. The only thing I don't like about them is that they are pretty much the GW poster Child. Other than that, I like thier fluff and the Ultramarine books.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/128879-.html
Weathering!
I absolutely looooooooove that model.
I want it inside me sometimes.

LunaHound wrote:They dont look Grim Dark
Armor too polished and clean ( most people seem to like weathered stuff )

Their armor can be nice and dirty - a painter as good as you should know that

Lord_Inquisitor wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/128879-.html
Weathering!
I absolutely looooooooove that model.
I want it inside me sometimes.

I really, really hope your a girl.

Lord_Inquisitor wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/128879-.html
Weathering!
I absolutely looooooooove that model.
I want it inside me sometimes.

Thank god i'm not the only one!

hurricane117 wrote:What I never heard is why.

There is no legitimate reason 'why'.

The only reason people 'hate' Ultramarines is because of Tall Poppy Syndrome. They're popular, and are the consistent brand image GW has chosen to put on their packaging and promotional material, therefore they're 'hated' in a cynical attempt by people to appear non-main stream. Believe me when I say that if, 20-something years ago, GW had chosen the Blood Angels to be their core Chapter you, hurricane117, would be posting this exact same thread except the subject would be "Why does everyone hate Blood Angles?".


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Brother SRM wrote:They also don't like Ultramarines because the fluff portrays them as the best of the best, and that every other chapter wants to be just like them.

That last part is only recent, and is Matt Ward's (aka C.S. Goto v2.0) doing. Pour all your scorn on him for that (and for the atrocious Blood Angel Codex), not on the Ultramarines.

What H.B.M.C. just said is absolutely true.

I personally love the Ultramarines. They've got some of the most fleshed-out fluff among Space Marines, and they've got some of the coolest named characters in the codex (though Shrike will always remain my favorite). I also thoroughly enjoy their color scheme.

I do get sick of seeing them on every damn thing I look at. Every time I buy a box of Space Marines, there are more Ultramarines staring me in the face. That does get annoying.

But that's really all there is to it.

People hate the Ultramarines because the Ultramarines are the Space Marines GW uses to represent the hobby as a whole.

Tall Poppy Syndrome, and nothing more.

Oh, and Matt Ward's gakky writing. That didn't help. He screwed up the v5 Marine codex, as well as the v5 Blood Angels codex. Hopefully not irrepairably.

they are the most boring army to collect in the whole of 40k you only collect ultramarines when you are learning to paint and get the starter pack better to have some imagination and make your own army its much more fun

nickmund wrote:they are the most boring army to collect in the whole of 40k you only collect ultramarines when you are learning to paint and get the starter pack better to have some imagination and make your own army its much more fun

Is Warseer down?

Brother SRM wrote:This thread comes up pretty often.

People don't like the Ultramarines because GW uses them as their promotional paintscheme - all Marine box art has Ultras on it. They also don't like Ultramarines because the fluff portrays them as the best of the best, and that every other chapter wants to be just like them.

Most of the people who "hate" Ultramarines and say "Only little kids and babbies and n00bs play them and ugh they're everywhere" are just 13 year olds trying to sound Internet tough. Really, I've only ever seen about three Ultramarines armies in person in my entire time in this hobby, and one was mine. It's just cool to hate them because they're supposedly popular, and raging against the machine is cool.

you dont no wat the feth you're talking about lawl every1 noes that ultrmarines are lame in fact they are so bad that hold on my mom is calling me brb

Dashofpepper wrote:u dont no wat the feth you're talking about lawl every1 noes that ultrmarines are lame. In fact, they are so bad that....hold on, my mom is calling me brb

I call shenanigans. I see two commas and at least one properly capitalized letter.

Imposter.

nickmund wrote:they are the most boring army to collect in the whole of 40k you only collect ultramarines when you are learning to paint and get the starter pack better to have some imagination and make your own army its much more fun

Did you bother to read what BrotherSRM said

I like my UM's because of the Greco/Roman Aesthetic, and blue's my favourite colour helps.
And you can use imagination while painting UM's you know

Oh my god, I just realized something.

Could it be so trendy to hate the Ultramarines that it's now trendy to not hate the Ultramarines?

WHERE DOES IT END?!

Oh, right, it ends with people disliking things for reasons other than "everyone likes them."

SaintHazard wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:u dont no wat the feth you're talking about lawl every1 noes that ultrmarines are lame. In fact, they are so bad that....hold on, my mom is calling me brb

I call shenanigans. I see two commas and at least one properly capitalized letter.

Imposter.

Fixed!

paint them dirty by all means theyll still look crap

I've noticed that a lot of people start with them. Iunno why the hate. I went:

Ultramarines, Orkz, Nids to finally SW.

nickmund wrote:paint them dirty by all means theyll still look crap

There is an art to your contributions. I'm not sure what it is, but I'll find it eventually.

How to paint ultramarines:

1. Assemble model.
2. Dip in mordian blue
3. Yell as the paint is dying "MY ULTRAMARINES ARE THE MOST AWESOME MARINES EVAH!"
4. Repeat.

Theyre Romans. I like Romans.

But I've stopped painting Ultramarines, as I'm starting High Elves tomorrow with the Island of Blood.

Um.

Yes.

Then they'll look like gak.

Or you could paint them properly by priming black, basecoating Mordian Blue, washing with Badab Black, coating Ultramarines Blue, highlighting with Enchanted Blue, one coat of Skull White on the aquila (you want some of the blue to show through), three coats of Skull White on the shoulder trim, one coat Red Gore on the eyes followed by one coat Blood Red, drybrush Boltgun Metal on the vents, respirator, and boltgun. And if you wanna be old school, one coat of Red Gore on the boltgun casing followed by one coat of Blood Red. Wash and weather to taste.

Bam. First Company Ultramarines.

They can look quite nice if done correctly.

Um.

Yes.

Then they'll look like gak.

Or you could paint them properly by priming black, basecoating Mordian Blue, washing with Badab Black, coating Ultramarines Blue, highlighting with Enchanted Blue, one coat of Skull White on the aquila (you want some of the blue to show through), three coats of Skull White on the shoulder trim, one coat Red Gore on the eyes followed by one coat Blood Red, drybrush Boltgun Metal on the vents, respirator, and boltgun. And if you wanna be old school, one coat of Red Gore on the boltgun casing followed by one coat of Blood Red. Wash and weather to taste.

Bam. First Company Ultramarines.

They can look quite nice if done correctly.

QFT.

I think one of the major reasons for Ultras hate is that they are portrayed as major Mary Sue's.

I've not been on dakka for too long but I have seen this question come up a bunch of times. I have never once heard a rational argument for the UM hate. I agree with the above posters on it being Tall Poppy Syndrome. Also, Brother SRM is dead on about UM armies not being as prevalent as people say. To be fair though, UM army density probably varies depending on your local conditions so some people will see them more often than others.