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Frazzled wrote:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/uk-teenager-banned-from-america-for-life-over-obscene-obama-email-091310

We all know the real reason. He wanted to start up a haggis processor here.

eh. free speech is one thing, emailing your free speech directly to the president..... errr..... no.
stay in the uk kid. we dont need ya.
AF

Guitardian wrote:Actually I wasn't allowed OUT of the U.S. because of a drug charge over a bowl o weed that never got cleared up. Despite having a British passport, heading to Canada (a commonwealth member) they actually wouldn't let me OUT until I go back to Arizona over a minor drug infraction 12 years old. Some states take a bowl of weed pretty seriously. Now I'm a brit trapped in the U.S. with a British passport and not allowed to go to Britain or any of the commonwealth. Not allowed out. . Yeah that was a fun scenario to deal with. stupid stupid stupid

Wait, was that "Wah wah, I was involved in something I knew was illegal and then I suffered reprecussions from it, laws are stupid, wah wah" I just read?

Gwar! wrote:Well, it is officially a real thing, because the BBC say so:

It's also officially a real thing, because the Beds on Sunday said so, three days before any other article.

Da Boss wrote:

Guitardian wrote:Actually I wasn't allowed OUT of the U.S. because of a drug charge over a bowl o weed that never got cleared up. Despite having a British passport, heading to Canada (a commonwealth member) they actually wouldn't let me OUT until I go back to Arizona over a minor drug infraction 12 years old. Some states take a bowl of weed pretty seriously. Now I'm a brit trapped in the U.S. with a British passport and not allowed to go to Britain or any of the commonwealth. Not allowed out. . Yeah that was a fun scenario to deal with. stupid stupid stupid

Wait, was that "Wah wah, I was involved in something I knew was illegal and then I suffered reprecussions from it, laws are stupid, wah wah" I just read?

No that was... sometimes countries dont let you out. yeah one day I'll pay my little fine or serve my 5 days... but restricting me from access to my home country over a bowl of weed years and years ago? yeah I was obviously trying to flee the country over that, right?


oh wait what was that? I was a stuffshirt who never commited any minor infraction as a kid? Damn that makes you pretty

and yeah the "since 9/11" excuse has made any law regarding crossing national borders pretty difficult and complicated nowadays. It's fun to be a non-citizen in a country that wont let you leave, vote, or work except under the table. So take your judgemental ass to PM next time.

Why don't you pay the fine, or take Frazzled's freedom train to Guadalajara?

court is on the 21st. I done gone and turned myself in just to get such silliness over and done with. Guadalajara does sound pretty cool though.

If you're gonna go somewhere and break the law, I think you lose all moral high ground when it comes to the consequences. Glad you're going to go sort it out instead of complaining about it as if you were powerless.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:eh. free speech is one thing, emailing your free speech directly to the president..... errr..... no.

Oh. Is that how it works?

In the words of the great sage, Ice T...

"Free speech? That's some ************** ********!
"You say the wrong thing they want an answer quick."

Not surprising from the guy who also said: "Islam's my [see forum posting rules]"

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Silly little tw*t, they should have put him in an orange jumpsuit and taken him to a secluded holiday camp near the sea...

So you don't believe in free speech either?





I would take this seriously because it sets a bad precedent. The US can refuse entry to whoever they like, but critiquing the President is a bad excuse, it party politicises the immigration system for a start and looks bad for America. Believing in the current leader should not be a category defining entry into the USA, especially entry on any Visa. A ban on entry is different from refusal of residency. Now if the teenager had made threats against the President, or against the office then that would count as terrorism or wanting to overthrow the government respectively. Both are good grounds for refusal, and also constitutional. However a personal dislike of the person of the leader is not a good excuse, there must be plenty of visitors to America who have not liked the president in charge at the time. Many of whome would be more than happy to express their opinions. This shouldn't of itself be an issue for immigration.

The UK has a party politicised immigration policy, or at least it had until recently. immigration access was targeted to those cultural groups that were expected to vote Labour, however bad this was it still didn't account for individuals. If someone wanted to stay and disliked the Prime Minister or even the Queen they could stay. Often they do and say what they will before and after entry.

However a personal ban for distain for the President smacks of pride. I have a multiple indefinate entry visa on my passport, and I think Obama is a p***k, does that mean I should have that visa revoked? Admittedly I wouldn't email this to him, but then the teenager who did so went no further. If he had mailed a bag of faeces with the note or wrote a threat or something else then maybe, but an opinion is an opinion. If he thinks Obama is a poor president and is vocal about it good for him. At this point it is fair to ask if you have better chances of getting the Visa you want if you support the Democrat party, because it appears critics of Obama are not wanted.

I would complain if I were you, not for the teenager, stuff him, but for what this means. You need clear sourcing of the story, not the Sun, a double sourcing beyond the local paper that orginated the story. It doesn't really matter where the person was from, she could have been French for all we care, but this is an excellent beatstick to hit Obama with. And a needed one too. The White House gets a lot of mail, not all of it is going to be friendly. However it need not be, someone in that position should be able to take critique, its ominously bad if they cant.

We haven't seen what was actually sent. All we have is the word of the teenager which to me is less than nothing.

The U.S. doesn't ban people for that Orlanth. We don't actually know what was said, and I'm still not entirely convinced this happened at all concerning the source material and lack of openness about the entire issue. The Teen would know what he wrote if it wasn't threatening, he has a sentbox where he can review the email.

Oh DG I'm agreeing with Shuma. Its the Seventh Sign!!!

Frazzled wrote:Oh DG I'm agreeing with Shuma. Its the Seventh Sign!!!

Even a broken clock (you) is right twice a day.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Oh DG I'm agreeing with Shuma. Its the Seventh Sign!!!

Even a broken clock (you) is right twice a day.

Agreeing with you Shuma is a strange use of the word 'right'.

Orlanth wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Oh DG I'm agreeing with Shuma. Its the Seventh Sign!!!

Even a broken clock (you) is right twice a day.

Agreeing with you Shuma is a strange use of the word 'right'.

Would you prefer 'left'? Whassa matta orly, not conspiratorial enough for ya?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Oh DG I'm agreeing with Shuma. Its the Seventh Sign!!!

Even a broken clock (you) is right twice a day.

Agreeing with you Shuma is a strange use of the word 'right'.

Would you prefer 'left'? Whassa matta orly, not conspiratorial enough for ya?

I got the conspiracy fix of the day when I read that the police came around photo'ed the kid and then said 'we aren't pressing charges'. Which is a way of saying, 'we cant, and wouldnt need to press charges anyway, your marked which is a lot worse'.

Plenty to look at there. That mark will go a lot further than no entry visa, it will have to go on police file somewhere. I think it was an extreme response frankly almost irregardless of what he wrote in an email. This can (depending on what future the kid wants for himself)l haunt the kid for a very long time, close a lot of doors and it wont be easy to overturn.

Orlanth wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Oh DG I'm agreeing with Shuma. Its the Seventh Sign!!!

Even a broken clock (you) is right twice a day.

Agreeing with you Shuma is a strange use of the word 'right'.

Would you prefer 'left'? Whassa matta orly, not conspiratorial enough for ya?

I got the conspiracy fix of the day when I read that the police came around photo'ed the kid and then said 'we arent prssing charges'. Which is a way of saying, 'we wont need to press charges, your marked which is a lot worse'.
Plenty to look at there.

Yeah, if I were living in your country I would complain.

If I were living in his country I'd actually drink beer instead of rum. Ales=Awesome sauce.

Frazzled wrote:We haven't seen what was actually sent. All we have is the word of the teenager which to me is less than nothing.

Indeed. The follow up reports announced his message was rude and threatening, the message being sent whilst the teenager was drunk and having watched a documentary on 9/11. Rumour doing the round in the Uk media circles is that is was a long rant detailing Obamas/the USA Govts as a whole involvement in covering the "real" events on said day. I don't know if that's true but it is somewhat odd that if the boy had only called the President a prick he has been remarkably unable to produce a copy of said email to validate his claims.

I've been more amused by the number of idiots who seem to be under the impression that it was Obama personally who did this, as he sits answering and checking emails all day. I'd be surprised if Obama had heard anything about this case at all prior to it being announced as "news".

I gather there are, apparently 60 odd reasons one can be denied entry to the USA and yet they have accepted Piers Morgan with open arms. Extraordinary.

So your a fan of real beers rather than American widdle, and rum too.

Culture, in Texas. Golly!

Who's Piers Morgan? Maybe the thought it was Pier 51?

reds8n wrote:
I've been more amused by the number of idiots who seem to be under the impression that it was Obama personally who did this, as he sits answering and checking emails all day. I'd be surprised if Obama had heard anything about this case at all prior to it being announced as "news".

I dont think anyone is thinking that, but what is done in the leaders name is in the leaders name unless he states otherwise. The White House hasn't said someone went too far with a life ban.

I think we're glossing over this ale thing way to easily...

Orlanth wrote:

reds8n wrote:
I've been more amused by the number of idiots who seem to be under the impression that it was Obama personally who did this, as he sits answering and checking emails all day. I'd be surprised if Obama had heard anything about this case at all prior to it being announced as "news".

I dont think anyone is thinking that, but what is done in the leaders name is in the leaders name unless he states otherwise. The White House hasn't said someone went too far with a life ban.

And the UK government hasn't said that someone went too far with the collusion. It's as if the kid is lying.


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Frazzled wrote:I think we're glossing over this ale thing way to easily...

You want to talk about beer start a thread about it. Stop trolling this fething forum.

Orlanth wrote:
I dont think anyone is thinking that,

I see you haven't had the misfortune to happen upon some of the more....... interesting..... comments and discussions in the various "have your say" and comments sections in some of the media outlets and forums.

Very wise. Insanity and rabid stupidity is still here for the longterm it appears.

@ Mr. Frazzled : the fifth horseman.

You want to talk about beer start a thread about it. Stop trolling this fething forum.

Thats a negative.


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reds8n wrote:

Orlanth wrote:
I dont think anyone is thinking that,

I see you haven't had the misfortune to happen upon some of the more....... interesting..... comments and discussions in the various "have your say" and comments sections in some of the media outlets and forums.

Very wise. Insanity and rabid stupidity is still here for the longterm it appears.

@ Mr. Frazzled : the fifth horseman.

And Fifth Chaos God. Don't forget Chaos God.

No one here is saying that, anyway.

It's not like the UK hasn't disallowed entry to people who say stuff we don't like... Our country, our rules. Same goes for the USA, and good luck to them.

Serves the little spanker right, if you ask me.

It is possible that in an effort to close our borders in general, a move such as this may just be an excuse to set a precedent. We need excuses for our government's proclaimations, whether it is WMD or Sh!t-Talking. Whatever it is, you can always use the "since 9/11" clause to excuse any kind of national security risk, even if it's a dumb drunk kid.