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As much as it pains me to say this, but anything Disturbed has on the radio is 10x better live. Im not a fan of them, but I went and seen a show them and Mudvayne were doing. I was actually going to see Mudvayne and decided to stay when they were done. They were ok, but Disturbed was amazing live, they saved the concert.
NIN live shows are an experience. So ANYTHING they have wrote will be better live thats no joke.

Also I think Whipping post by The Allman Brothers Band is superior live to anything heard on vinyl, although they too are really good live.

Anything by Daft Punk

FITZZ wrote: Their straight ahead style of playing was emulated time and again by many bands during the 80's and 90's.

I think you'll find that the 'straight ahead' way of playing really stems from the punk rock movement and that Kiss picked up on that, rather than caused it. The Ramones are far more influential in that regard than KISS.

Redbeard wrote:

FITZZ wrote: Their straight ahead style of playing was emulated time and again by many bands during the 80's and 90's.

I think you'll find that the 'straight ahead' way of playing really stems from the punk rock movement and that Kiss picked up on that, rather than caused it. The Ramones are far more influential in that regard than KISS.

That's also true,and in truth I am a much bigger "fan" of the Ramones than I am of Kiss.
Kiss did emulate the straight ahead playing styles of bands such as the Ramones and cite the New York Dolls as a major influence on their choice to use make up and theatrics on stage,however...Kiss did manage to bring those particular styles to a much broader audience,hence my belief that they were indeed musically influential.

Now,Kiss are obviously "Showmen" first and "Musicians" second,but face paint and fire pots don't keep a band around for over 30 years,I think their music (such as it is) stands on it own.

Albatross wrote:If you had any come-back you would have typed it out. But you didn't, so now you're just deflecting.

Yes, I suffer from a rare and debilitating condition called "couldn't be arsed".

Moving right along...

Hair bands... that brings back memories. I'm not entirely sure they're good memories though. Any you guys recommend I listen to?

FITZZ wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Sorry that was what I was eluding too FITZZ, that song represents everything they've been through. The love, to hate, and bitterness that blighted them for so long.

My fave vid on youtube for them is (I think London 2009) where Lindsey actually squeezes her shoulder near the end of the song.

Clearly time has healed some of the wounds between the two.

From reccent interviews I'd think they are much better than they where, as a longtime fan of the band and the songs they have created, I hope so. Both are getting on in years, I'd like to think they'd be at peace before the end.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Sorry that was what I was eluding too FITZZ, that song represents everything they've been through. The love, to hate, and bitterness that blighted them for so long.

My fave vid on youtube for them is (I think London 2009) where Lindsey actually squeezes her shoulder near the end of the song.

Clearly time has healed some of the wounds between the two.

From reccent interviews I'd think they are much better than they where, as a longtime fan of the band and the songs they have created, I hope so. Both are getting on in years, I'd like to think they'd be at peace before the end.

Definitely agreed.


@ Melissa.

There are a plethora of " Hair" bands from the 80's to choose from...I suppose it depends on your particular taste.

Hair bands are fething awesome!

I'm a child of the 80s and I love the stupid over the top vibe of hair metal. I also like most of your 70s classic rock too. Ad I'd argue that Bowie (especially Ziggy Stardust) was a bigger influence on musical theatrics than Kiss.

That might just be because I'm a huge Bowie fan though.

*whistles Boys Keep Swinging*

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Hair bands are fething awesome!

I'm a child of the 80s and I love the stupid over the top vibe of hair metal. I also like most of your 70s classic rock too. Ad I'd argue that Bowie (especially Ziggy Stardust) was a bigger influence on musical theatrics than Kiss.

That might just be because I'm a huge Bowie fan though.

*whistles Boys Keep Swinging*

I'd say they were both big influnces concerning musical theatrics along with Alice Cooper,you can clearly see evidence of all threes influnce in the likes of Marlyn Manson.

And as for 80's hair bands,yes I too am a child of the 80's,though punk was/is more my style, I still enjoy some hair bands.




BTW..This is a live performance,so it's still OT.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:I'd argue that Bowie (especially Ziggy Stardust) was a bigger influence on musical theatrics than Kiss.

What about influences on musical style? Not interested in theatrics.

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Actually, the whole Live aus berlin concert is made of win.

Pretty much all the Electric Six stuff I've seen live has been better than their recorded stuff. Shame their fanbase is populated by a bunch of massive tools though. (I mean massive in both senses of the word- I was nearly flattened by a gargantuan sweaty troll man at the last gig)

Who doesn't like a burning vocalist?

Soladrin wrote:Who doesn't like a burning vocalist?

Nothing beats Feuer Frei! live. I was right up front, and you could feel the heat from the flames.
That and Pussy (lulz giant penis squirting foam on the crowd).

Wolfun wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Who doesn't like a burning vocalist?

Nothing beats Feuer Frei! live. I was right up front, and you could feel the heat from the flames.
That and Pussy (lulz giant penis squirting foam on the crowd).

Meh last album was bad, and pussy is worst Rammstein song out there.

Saw them Live in 2005.. or was it 2006 at fields of rock, just after reisse reisse came out, Mein Teil live.. "drools"

Melissia wrote:What about influences on musical style?

You're just about S.O.L., hon. Sorry. Its just that good ol' I-IV-V progression again and again and again. David Bowie is the only exception to the rule that really stands out in my mind when it comes to variations on the 'hair/glam' trend, style-wise.

Soladrin wrote:

Wolfun wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Who doesn't like a burning vocalist?

Nothing beats Feuer Frei! live. I was right up front, and you could feel the heat from the flames.
That and Pussy (lulz giant penis squirting foam on the crowd).

Meh last album was bad, and pussy is worst Rammstein song out there.

Saw them Live in 2005.. or was it 2006 at fields of rock, just after reisse reisse came out, Mein Teil live.. "drools"

I've not even bothered with getting Liebe ist für alle da.
However, Pussy live is great (the topic is 'Live versions better than the original. So it can only get better =P ).

I was never a fan of recorded live music for much of the same reasons as Melissa: I hated the noise of the crowds and the generally lower quality of the recording.

Dissection's entire Live Legacy album (recorded at Wacken 1997) is one of the few stand-out exceptions, with great sound and energy and not TOO much cheering. I'm glad someone convinced me to buy it (one of the members of Bowels Out, in a used CD store in El Paso).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCLdpP_9lg

I really enjoy concerts, even though I haven't been to one in years :/

Melissia wrote:And yet, if I'm at a concert, I have to listen to everything else along with the band.

I just want to listen to the goddamned music, not the cheering, not the cracking of heads against cement, not some douchey little couple's sloppy makeouts five feet from me. Just... the music.

Concerts suck. I'll just buy the CD or buy and download the music instead...

I half agree with you, there are some kinds of music I wouldn't want to listen to live because the atmosphere at a concert wouldn't allow me to fully appreciate it.

Interpol, for example.
I enjoy listening to Interpol alone, or with one or two other people at most, in a dim, quiet room. It allows you to better appreciate the complexity (or at least what I percieve to be complexity- I am no expert on music) and meaning of their songs.
I usually listen to the song once with my eyes closed, without focusing too much on the individual lyrics, to allow the flow and the 'sound' of the song to paint a picture in my mind without any other influences; to get a feel for the emotions and 'ups and downs' so to say, of the song. Then I read the lyrics without the music, allowing me to look at it as a standalone piece of poetry, since that is what a song generally is; poetry put to music. Finally, I listen to it again with the lyrics printed out in front of me, so I can appreciate both the poetry of the lyrics and the sound of the music together as a whole. I love doing this for Interpol because their songs are very intricate and the sound they create is meticulously crafted and paints a very crisp picture in my mind. Their lyrics are often very metaphorical and analyzing them in the way you would a piece of poetry is very enjoyable and makes you think about the meaning of the song. Each song is like a puzzle.

So, to summarize all that, the way I approach listening to certain kinds of music, like Interpol, isn't possible to do at a concert, thus limiting your ability to fully appreciate it. This is where I agree with you, Melissia.

However, I must also disagree with you, partially at least.
Some kinds of music are best experienced live, at a concert or some other kind of event. This is because the energy that live music creates is a totally different animal from listening to a cd or mp3. The experience of being at a concert with hundreds, or even thousands, of other people is as much a part of the music as the lyrics, or the musicicians playing the instuments. The sounds, the sights, the smells; are all part of the experience. As an example I could cite Freebird by Lynyrd Skynyrd. (I'll use this example not only because it's one of the best songs I've heard live --covered by another band at a sporting event, but still awesome-- but also because I'm on a bit of a Lynyrd Skynyrd kick at the moment) Freebird is an amazing song, and although it's worth sitting down and having a good close listen to, it is best appreciated live, with friends and thousands of other people jumping and yelling and singing along, just enjoying the music. It's a fantastic experience, to say the least, and after it's all done you'd be hard pressed to find someone without a huge grin on their face. And on the topic of Lynyrd Skynyrd and live music, as cheesy as it is, Sweet Home Alabama puts twice the energy in a crowd that Freebird does. People go NUTS when they hear the opening chords, and EVERYONE knows the words and sings along. It really is awesome!

I'd say that there are certain types of music that are more geared toward being experienced live, and that they are usually the less complicated and more rhythmic (possibly not the right term, musical terms have always confused me, and again, I am no expert on anything musical) kinds of music, or music that is genrerally simpler in its structure. That is not to say that it is in any way inferior to more complex music. Simply different.

I would also say that some genres are better live than others. Punk, rock, country, some metal (there are too many different types of metal that are so different than each other, it's kinda hard to group all metal together), blues maybe, and some alternative; these are all,generally speaking of course, better live. Just my opinion of course, YMMV. Some genres that would be better listened to not-live would be hip-hop, rap (not sure about this, don't listen to much rap myself), electronic music, classical music, etc. And again, this is just my opinion, I'm not an expert on any of this-- feel free to disregard anything and/or everything I've said.

But so in summary, whether or not music is best appreciated live really depends on the music in question. For a song that is inticate and complex, perhaps a quiet room, rather than a crowded arena, is more conducive to a full appreciation of the music. But for some music, the live experience is as much a part of the music as the song being played.

And it looks like I've written a legitimate essay. I guess this is what happens when I post on dakka during english class.