Can the IMPERIUM OF MAN survive another Millennia?

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**Asherian Command**

Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway the tyranids would get owned by the Necrons. They literally Fear the Necrons above everything else.

I dont think its fear, just difficult to digest..

They went completely around a Necron system thats called fear.

**Matt070**

Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway the tyranids would get owned by the Necrons. They literally Fear the Necrons above everything else.

I dont think its fear, just difficult to digest..

They went completely around a Necron system thats called fear.

Or the sat nav broke?

**Asherian Command**

Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway the tyranids would get owned by the Necrons. They literally Fear the Necrons above everything else.

I dont think its fear, just difficult to digest..

They went completely around a Necron system thats called fear.

Or the sat nav broke?

*sighs*
Yes instead of going straight they made a left turn. then another left turn. Then made a left turn after going through 12 systems. Yes the giant gaping hole in the middle of tyranid invasion is nothing but a wrong turn.

**Matt070**

So glad you see sense now

**xXSir MontyXx**

Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway the tyranids would get owned by the Necrons. They literally Fear the Necrons above everything else.

I dont think its fear, just difficult to digest..

They went completely around a Necron system thats called fear.

Or the sat nav broke?

*sighs*
Yes instead of going straight they made a left turn. then another left turn. Then made a left turn after going through 12 systems. Yes the giant gaping hole in the middle of tyranid invasion is nothing but a wrong turn.

The Tyranid dont understand fear as we know it while in control of the hivemind. They do not fight necrons because it is a waste of rescources. Although corny space robots are pretty scary

.

**AlexTheTitan**

Lord Graveline wrote:The Emperor will eventually succumb to his wounds. It's inevitable -- it's fairly common knowledge (amongst players -- not Imperial citizens) that the Golden Throne is failing due to a lack of proper maintenance (and not that they dont care, they just dont know how!). When he dies, the astronomican will collapse causing the failure of psychic communication and stable warp travel. Humanity will likely fracture and the Imperium will collapse into a massive and very destructive civil war. There will become a new dark age throughout the Imperium and it's likely that billions, if not trillions of lives will be lost.

From there, there are 3 possible outcomes.

1. There species of Homo Erectus will be destroyed and Humanity will be extinct. Haha, not bloody likely! Just like 'Emperors Faithful' I put my trust in cold steel, human resolve and good old perseverance (with a bayonet in hand, of course!)

2. We become a broken species on the brink of extinction like those pansy Eldar. The difference between them and us though is that as Humans, we dont have the patience (or the lifespan) to train our warriors for centuries and we're much more headstrong and impatient. This can be a good thing when you need to make up lost ground! See, we rarely have this "I'll just do a little bit at a time to help my species" mindset. Humans are much more "OMG, I need to be remembered forever so I need to do ALL OF THIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSS in, what!? 50 years!? I'd better get started RIGHT NOW!" So we'll do what Humans do best! Breed like bunnies, put our faith in the Emperor returning to save us and charge in against anything that stood in our way! . . . Unfortunately as Humans, this also means that we may attack each other, but fingers crossed we could use our common hate of everyone else to help unite us lol.

3. Definitely the most likely. In these darkest of days, and maybe even after number 2 comes to some form of fruition, the Emperor will be reborn. Just like in the days of old, before the official founding of the Imperium when the Emperor was born from the souls of the Shamans, the Emperors soul will one day find its way through the warp and be born in the material realm to once again lead Humanity to a new Golden Age.

The Emperor Protects. Now. Forever. Always.

Humanity shall never be defeated.

I may just not understand you correctly but don't you mean homo sapiens? Homo erectus is extinct IRL. We are Homo sapiens.

**hehe FAIL!**

Im in the 'Man will ally' boat. Im pretty sure Tau and Eldar will unite and IoM will try 2 fite back but will eventually die or surennder and beg to be part of this 2-way ownage.

**xXSir MontyXx**

hehe FAIL! wrote:Im in the 'Man will ally' boat. Im pretty sure Tau and Eldar will unite and IoM will try 2 fite back but will eventually die or surennder and beg to be part of this 2-way ownage.

Doubtfull, they may ally but it wont be because they lost to the alliance it will be because they want to erase the other xenos first and save them for later.

**Brother Coa**

hehe FAIL! wrote:Im in the 'Man will ally' boat. Im pretty sure Tau and Eldar will unite and IoM will try 2 fite back but will eventually die or surennder and beg to be part of this 2-way ownage.

Are you insane? Eldar are nearly died out and Tau only have 20 planets under their control. Imperium could defeat them using only numbers on their side. Their best chance for survival is uniting with Mankind, with will happened in the end giving where the plot is going...

**ZacktheChaosChild**

Asherian Command wrote:You forget all races will also fight the Tyranid swarm as well, it will not just be the imperium.
Plus Wikia's aren't always reliable.

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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Chaos will destroy the Imperium and what's left of its pathetic corpse god.

They're dying. They can't hold forever.

Neither can Chaos dude. All things come to an end. Even Chaos has an ending. Like to see what happens when a black hole comes out of nowhere and devours the chaos gods. Sorry but all matter is sucked in. everything has matter in it, even chaos has matter. So say goodbye to Tzeench, Khorne, Slaanesh and Nurgle.
Of course the imperium of man ignores black holes somehow!
Anyway it is also said by Tzeench that all things change even he will die.
And humanity will survive. All life can endure. Except Chaos, Eldar, and Necrons.

I am asking you why. Why and how will it end if it exists as long as there is life with emotions?

Why not Chaos, Eldar, and Necrons? Are they not also "life"? I think Eldar would survive and Necrons would just go back to sleep. Chaos will never "die" because they are not life in the corporeal sense. As long as there are humans (or other human-like people) there will be Chaos, as it is just a representation and embodiment of human emotion. A black hole will not simply suck that away.

Actually chaos is representation of all life. Not just humans.But chaos will end. Not by humans, not by other life, but by something else.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Brother Coa wrote:
hehe FAIL! wrote:Im in the 'Man will ally' boat. Im pretty sure Tau and Eldar will unite and IoM will try 2 fite back but will eventually die or surennder and beg to be part of this 2-way ownage.

Are you insane? Eldar are nearly died out and Tau only have 20 planets under their control. Imperium could defeat them using only numbers on their side. Their best chance for survival is uniting with Mankind, with will happened in the end giving where the plot is going...

tau have 26 worlds under their control

**1hadhq**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
hehe FAIL! wrote:Im in the 'Man will ally' boat. Im pretty sure Tau and Eldar will unite and IoM will try 2 fite back but will eventually die or surennder and beg to be part of this 2-way ownage.

Are you insane? Eldar are nearly died out and Tau only have 20 planets under their control. Imperium could defeat them using only numbers on their side. Their best chance for survival is uniting with Mankind, with will happened in the end giving where the plot is going...

tau have 26 worlds under their control

And? the "man will ally boat" is still sinking....

You know, IoM got millions of worlds.
The offer of a "team effort" of 11+x craftworlds plus some Tau septs isn't convincing in that light.
Maybe a local alliance, but even then Tau aren't mobile enough.

**Owain**

Emperors Faithful wrote:GW seems to have built up the 'End Times' into a sort of Make or Break for the Imperium of Man. I'll put my trust in cold steel and human resolve.

This. At some point the Emperor will have to abandon his corporeal form and when that happens he'll be a powerful Warp entity. If the Chaos Gods are sustained by their worshippers, one can onlyimagine how much more powerful the Emperor will be as a similar entity.

**Cobourn**

The biggest threat to the IoM is Man himself, not your Chaos, Orcs, Eldar, tyranids, or even your TAU.

Should the Emperor 'abandon' his savaged human body and become a powerful Warp entity- this would radically change the grand scheme of things i.e. it would suprise most of us i.e. the fate of the Imperium may suffer a twisted outcome.

Should the Emperor become a Warp Entity - this is a dangerous thought - we are talking about a human summoning such unimaginable power of epic proportions...
A man with too much power can turn insane, if not suffer severe tests of corruption. Their very existance and purpose could be changed just to suit their own cravings.

Such total power could challenge and oust even the Chaos Gods out of their own thrones of power. Protect the galaxy - huh - he could end up destroying it and the IoM along with it.

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

The Emperor was already ridiculously powerful while he was walking around. He apparently simultaneously powered the Astronomicon while being capable of amazing feats such as humbling an entire Legion of Space Marines at once, or, indeed, destroying Horus mind and soul. I doubt the sort of power he'd be imbued with would radically change his goal of protecting humanity, especially considering he's already endured millenia of agony for mankind.

**mattyrm**

Humans breed like rats, we will always conquer!

Just put a hive world on the dole and within twenty years we would have enough people to wipe the tyranids out with sticks.

**Harriticus**

xXSir MontyXx wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway the tyranids would get owned by the Necrons. They literally Fear the Necrons above everything else.

I dont think its fear, just difficult to digest..

They went completely around a Necron system thats called fear.

Or the sat nav broke?

*sighs*
Yes instead of going straight they made a left turn. then another left turn. Then made a left turn after going through 12 systems. Yes the giant gaping hole in the middle of tyranid invasion is nothing but a wrong turn.

The Tyranid dont understand fear as we know it while in control of the hivemind. They do not fight necrons because it is a waste of rescources. Although corny space robots are pretty scary .

This.

The Tyranids aren't afraid of them, the Hivemind thinks logically. There would be no point in confronting the Necrons then as it didn't serve their purpose of consuming biomatter. If the Necrons were to force a confrontation or prove too much of an obstacle then the Tyranids would engage.

If the Necrons wipe out the majority of life in the galaxy before the Tyranid main fleet arrives however I can see the Hivemind just skipping the Milky Way and moving onto the next.

Anyway, the military power of the Imperium can not be understated. They're fighting something like a 10,000 front war right now, but if a serious threat emerged to the core worlds they would like undergo a strategic retreat. To break the Imperium you must break Terra, and good luck to any force in the Galaxy in managing to do that.

**PrometheusZero**

Even if the Imperium of Man is broken, there will still be pockets of Humanity left struggling for survival in a cold dark Universe.

War....

War never changes....

**xXSir MontyXx**

PrometheusZero wrote:Even if the Imperium of Man is broken, there will still be pockets of Humanity left struggling for survival in a cold dark Universe.

War....

War never changes....

Stop! Your fallout reference has violated the law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence peacefully.

Anyways this is very true, the Imperium is just a government. Bring the fall of the Imperium and you are just going to have a lot of pissed off humans.

**Cobourn**

OF ALL THE HIVE FLEETS IN OUR GALAXY THAT THE IMPERIUM KNOWS ABOUT.....
THERE IS ALWAYS ONE... THAT THEY DONT...

I think the Imperium will need all the friends it has got in the late 40th millenium. No fewer than 13 Hive Fleets were spotted on the Eastern fringes of the galaxy.

**xXSir MontyXx**

Cobourn wrote:OF ALL THE HIVE FLEETS IN OUR GALAXY THAT THE IMPERIUM KNOWS ABOUT.....
THERE IS ALWAYS ONE... THAT THEY DONT...

I think the Imperium will need all the friends it has got in the late 40th millenium. No fewer than 13 Hive Fleets were spotted on the Eastern fringes of the galaxy.

Leave your caps lock on???

HIve fleets that have been spotted other than leviathan are not on the same scale as the 3 main the imperium have dealt with (leviathan, kraken, behemoth)
These that you speak of are splinter fleets left over from battles where the tyranid were scattered. However these fleets do become quite a handful if left unchecked.

**An0maly1**

Cobourn wrote:[[Image:AOI]]

History has a habit of repeating itself; The Age of Old Earth is known as the time from the dawn of mankind to the founding of the Imperium. Cities such as Atlantys and Nova Yourk are cited as being the most legendary and ancient cities of Old Earth. Nations known as Jermani, Merica, Britania, and Bania are said to have prospered and wilted during this time.
Throughout history, all famous civilisations are destroyed.

The Imperium was founded ten thousand years ago and it is currently ruled by the heavy hand, of the High Lords of Terra and though the voice of the ‘immortal’ god-emperor. Can this Empire/civilisation stand for even another Millennia? - Especially when our world’s ancient nuclear powers, glorious warrior Primarchs all succumbed to their deadly fate amongst the galactic battlefield?

Yes but taking it from history, out of the ashes of destruction, something better arrived. And if you read the fluff, there is the implication of that being destined to happen again. Theres even a secret society that has plans for how to resurrect the emperor when he dies in all his glory.

**Cobourn**

msg for xXSir MontyXx
Caps lock was left on, for effect like the movie dante's peak - but dont worry about it -it obviously didnt work.

As for unchecked Hive fleets - I am saying they 'are a handful' period. And thats the problem here. Hive fleets have the capacity to grow to immense sizes and maybe create the 'big one' that the everyone is expecting. For that reason alone, 'Splinter groups' can not be ignored; to do so would be folly.

Msg for An0maly1 - You say out of the ashes of destruction something better arrives - how can you be so sure? Such an event has yet to be written.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I would like you to consider that the re-birth of the Emperor (if it is possible) does not necessarily mean the continuality of the Imperium. One all powerful man may survive, but 'his' Empire surviving another millennia is another thing. For that reason, I do not believe that the God emperor being re-born will necessarily decide the fate of the Imperium.

My original post, however, leaves the debate open. So I can not discount what either you (Sir Monty) and An0maly1 said - both are worthy arguments.

**An0maly1**

Asherian Command wrote:
Matt070 wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:Anyway the tyranids would get owned by the Necrons. They literally Fear the Necrons above everything else.

I dont think its fear, just difficult to digest..

They went completely around a Necron system thats called fear.

The tyranids don't speak english, something tells me they didn't give a damn what it was called, they probably don't even know the names of the planets they take.

The tyranids have no interest in the necrons. And why would they? They only conquer to eat, to them the necrons have no food, so why waste time and energy on a prizeless venture.

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xXSir MontyXx wrote:
hehe FAIL! wrote:Im in the 'Man will ally' boat. Im pretty sure Tau and Eldar will unite and IoM will try 2 fite back but will eventually die or surennder and beg to be part of this 2-way ownage.

Doubtfull, they may ally but it wont be because they lost to the alliance it will be because they want to erase the other xenos first and save them for later.

When you think about it, the tau and eldar allying would make sense. The eldar would never allow themselves to be assimilated. And they have zero reason whatsoever to reallly despise each other.

**mwnciboo**

Yeah, easily. Humans love fighting, thats why Humankind has never know peace. Its part of our psyche and we are quite good at it, good at fighting leads to winning, winning leads to dominance, dominance leads to survival.

Orks are over grown fungus, Necrons are metal skeletons but don't have any emotion, Tyranids are insects, the Tau are just plain weak, DE are into S&M. The Eldar are just a bit whimsical. Chaos is quite a foe and a threat.
The Imperium kicks ass, it literally is a Xenophobic Gun toting Bully that doesn't take gak from anyone.

**An0maly1**

mwnciboo wrote:Yeah, easily. Humans love fighting, thats why Humankind has never know peace. Its part of our psyche and we are quite good at it, good at fighting leads to winning, winning leads to dominance, dominance leads to survival.

Orks are over grown fungus, Necrons are metal skeletons but don't have any emotion, Tyranids are insects, the Tau are just plain weak, DE are into S&M. The Eldar are just a bit whimsical. Chaos is quite a foe and a threat.
The Imperium kicks ass, it literally is a Xenophobic Gun toting Bully that doesn't take gak from anyone.

Yah really, because for the same price as a land raider you can get a full squad of three broadsides. I'd take the broadsides any day.

**Cobourn**

Ignoring for a second, strength in numbers, vehicles and Titans etc, is it the Eldar whom possess the most powerful weapons & technology against their common foe, the Imperium and the Orks?

The Eldar also seem to possess a mastery in the art of close melee combat which often surpasses what the enemy often put in the field. Deadly examples such as the close combat melee weapon - the 'Harlequin's Kiss' and also 'Mandiblasters' used by Striking Scorpions are equally unqiue and fearful weapons. Even Eldar armour is tough.

**xXSir MontyXx**

Cobourn wrote:msg for xXSir MontyXx
Caps lock was left on, for effect like the movie dante's peak - but dont worry about it -it obviously didnt work.

As for unchecked Hive fleets - I am saying they 'are a handful' period. And thats the problem here. Hive fleets have the capacity to grow to immense sizes and maybe create the 'big one' that the everyone is expecting. For that reason alone, 'Splinter groups' can not be ignored; to do so would be folly.

Msg for An0maly1 - You say out of the ashes of destruction something better arrives - how can you be so sure? Such an event has yet to be written.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I would like you to consider that the re-birth of the Emperor (if it is possible) does not necessarily mean the continuality of the Imperium. One all powerful man may survive, but 'his' Empire surviving another millennia is another thing. For that reason, I do not believe that the God emperor being re-born will necessarily decide the fate of the Imperium.

My original post, however, leaves the debate open. So I can not discount what either you (Sir Monty) and An0maly1 said - both are worthy arguments.

Luckily Tyranid's leave no ashes

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The Imperium knows better than to leave these fleets unchecked. As for them going into other territory that's up to that race. The Tau were definitely trying but were going to get erased from the milky way until the Necrons saved their sorry hides (yet another reason for me to dislike the space robots).

**Owain**

I think the Imperium's a pretty cool guy. Eh kills xenos and doesn't afraid of anything.

**bloodjunkey**

Seriously the Imperium has a 99% chance of being

by the nids, 50% with Chaos, and about 20% with everyone else