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All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.

Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

But some how they get away with it because it is cool.
C.S.Gotos scribblings does not!

Steelmage99 wrote:All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.

Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).

No, he doesn't.

He's had two different instances of Dreadnoughts in the novels, and in NO CASE have they 'wounded it' with lasgun fire.

The first instance has Mkoll overloading his lasgun and all his power cells to crack open the casing of the Dreadnought. That exposed the corpse inside to meter long barbs being fired at supersonic velocities by a plant native to the planet.
The second instance has Gaunt blowing a hole in the thing while it's emerging from water, then the flamer troops exploiting that hole and boiling the operator alive inside.

P.S. "Tube-charges" are demolition charges. Of course they can "conveniently be used as both frag and krak grenades".

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

And yes, they do shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel.
It does nothing except piss the thing off and let the Kasrkin and Captain close from behind the thing with Krak grenades.

But some how they get away with it because it is cool.
C.S.Gotos scribblings does not!

No, they "get away with it" because they don't write that kind of purile crap.

edited my post because Kanluwen beat me to it and said exactly what I was gonna say

Kanluwen wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.

Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).

No, he doesn't.

He's had two different instances of Dreadnoughts in the novels, and in NO CASE have they 'wounded it' with lasgun fire.

The first instance has Mkoll overloading his lasgun and all his power cells to crack open the casing of the Dreadnought. That exposed the corpse inside to meter long barbs being fired at supersonic velocities by a plant native to the planet.
The second instance has Gaunt blowing a hole in the thing while it's emerging from water, then the flamer troops exploiting that hole and boiling the operator alive inside.

Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.

P.S. "Tube-charges" are demolition charges. Of course they can "conveniently be used as both frag and krak grenades".

No, they are not. But they do tend to tape several tube-charges together to make "Demolition charges".

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.

If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.

And yes, they do shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel.
It does nothing except piss the thing off and let the Kasrkin and Captain close from behind the thing with Krak grenades.

Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.

But some how they get away with it because it is cool.
C.S.Gotos scribblings does not!

No, they "get away with it" because they don't write that kind of purile crap.

DarknessEternal wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote: How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?

There's no age cutoff on turning someone into a Marine, it's just more stable to do it on younger folks. Done to adults plenty of times in various background materials.

The SM codex disagrees with you...

Codex SM, pg 10, 4th sentence:

Aspirants must always be chosen when they are young, before they become too mature to accept the gene-seed that will turn them into Space Marines.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:this just reminds me of that Chaplain that did a psychic scream in Ultramarines.

That was explained within 20 seconds of its occurrence.

They started going for the Thunderhawk 20 seconds after the occurrence and one of the marines asked if the Chaplain was ok. Not much of an explantion.

Spoiler:

Would have made a little sense if he was possessed, but no. Turns out he isnt possessed either.

Still an asspull.

Just saying, what part of IS THE CROZIUS READY? NO, IT NEEDS MORE TIME!! is unclear?

Caught that after you pointed it out. Still though, where else does it actually depict a Crozius as a ranged weapon (or rather anything but a power mace used to whack people with)?

Steelmage99 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:All authors takes a few liberties in the name of story-telling.

Abnett has Ghosts wounding a Dreadnought using Lasguns (impossible, even when firing in the rear arch).
I believe they finish it of using Tube-charges (that can conveniently be used as both Frag and Krak Grenades, depending on need).

No, he doesn't.

He's had two different instances of Dreadnoughts in the novels, and in NO CASE have they 'wounded it' with lasgun fire.

The first instance has Mkoll overloading his lasgun and all his power cells to crack open the casing of the Dreadnought. That exposed the corpse inside to meter long barbs being fired at supersonic velocities by a plant native to the planet.
The second instance has Gaunt blowing a hole in the thing while it's emerging from water, then the flamer troops exploiting that hole and boiling the operator alive inside.

Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.

P.S. "Tube-charges" are demolition charges. Of course they can "conveniently be used as both frag and krak grenades".

No, they are not. But they do tend to tape several tube-charges together to make "Demolition charges".

Actually, that's exactly what they are. The "tape several tube-charges together" part is usually done whenever Abnett has them encountering some kind of heavily reinforced material that has to be blown.

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.

If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.

Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.

Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.

It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.

Cut him some slack, Hotshot lasguns have almost all but replaced hellguns in the game and the two literally uses the same models now.

"In the game" maybe, but not in the fluff. Books as recent as the "Sabbat Worlds" anthology, "Blood Pact", and even the upcoming "Imperial Glory" still use the moniker "Hellgun" and specifically differentiate them from the 'hot-shot' equipped longlas.

And it's funny, because they COMPLETELY screwed the pooch on the Hot-shot Lasgun entry for Stormtroopers.

"The hot-shot lasgun uses a more powerful, external energy cell. This allows the hellgun to project a much more powerful, and more penetrating, shot."

Kanluwen wrote:

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.

If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.

Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.

Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.

It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.

So it WAS just a case of me using the "wrong" word and you using it as a deflection.

You, sir, are awesome.

You win, Kan, as I don't take the fluff that seriously.

Steelmage99 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.

If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.

Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.

Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.

It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.

So it WAS just a case of me using the "wrong" word and you using it as a deflection.
You, sir, are awesome.
You win, Kan, as I don't take the fluff that seriously.

Well no, he doesn't have people being set on fire by the shots from the Hellgun. That was the point I was making.

You may have been confused though, because there is a bit in there about "the stench of burnt flesh" being overpowering...but that's what laser weaponry would do. Burn a hole through flesh, cauterizing the wound as they go.

Steelmage99 wrote:...

You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.

Maybe people would take you more seriously Kan if you actually argued with sensible facts than try to poison the well by pointing out small misconceptions. A civil way would have been to say "For the record, it's called a Hellgun, but it's a common mistake".

Also, yes, I still call Hot-shot lasguns "Hellguns". Sounds cooler.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Maybe people would take you more seriously Kan if you actually argued with sensible facts than try to poison the well by pointing out small misconceptions. A civil way would have been to say "For the record, it's called a Hellgun, but it's a common mistake".

Also, yes, I still call Hot-shot lasguns "Hellguns". Sounds cooler.

Actually, that was the point I was making. It's a perfectly sensible fact and not "poisoning the well by pointing out small misconceptions".

He was wrong because never once is the word "hot-shot" used in the entirety of the book 'Cadian Blood'. Every time the Kasrkin are mentioned, they're mentioned as very distinctly having "hellguns".

The only book I can think of that has had "hot-shot" weaponry as being something other than just a variant power cell was "Redemption Corps".

Kanluwen wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Maybe people would take you more seriously Kan if you actually argued with sensible facts than try to poison the well by pointing out small misconceptions. A civil way would have been to say "For the record, it's called a Hellgun, but it's a common mistake".

Also, yes, I still call Hot-shot lasguns "Hellguns". Sounds cooler.

Actually, that was the point I was making. It's a perfectly sensible fact and not "poisoning the well by pointing out small misconceptions".

He was wrong because never once is the word "hot-shot" used in the entirety of the book 'Cadian Blood'. Every time the Kasrkin are mentioned, they're mentioned as very distinctly having "hellguns".

The only book I can think of that has had "hot-shot" weaponry as being something other than just a variant power cell was "Redemption Corps".

So instead of helpfully correcting him, you verbally pound him into the ground?

What "verbally pounded him into the ground"?

He posted wrong information. I corrected him. Maybe you thought the italics were too much or rude, but they were for emphasis.

Again: "hot-shot" never appears in 'Cadian Blood'. I pointed that out when I said

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

This may just be a case where you're inferring a tone/attitude from my post that isn't there.

Kanluwen wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Aaron Dempski-Bowden (sp) has his Hot-shot Lasguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you). I also believe they shoot a Dread with Lasguns in that novel (Cadian Blood).

Where does he have Hellguns setting people on fire? He never once calls the Kasrkin's weapons "hot-shot Lasguns", he calls them their proper name of "Hellguns".

When the Storm Troopers enter through the skylights.

If this is just about me using the wrong word, then you win one (1) InterWebz.

Quite frankly:
"hot-shot lasguns" and "hellguns" are two entirely different beasts. Hellguns are a backpack powered, higher discharge assault 'lasgun'.

Hot-shot lasguns are lasguns with a reinforced barrel using a higher capacity cell. And even then, they really should just be called 'lasguns', because the 'hot-shot' part comes from what the power cell is called.

It's an irksome thing that Cruddace brought back hot-shot lasguns for Stormtroopers, because it's a stupid moniker that should have been left in 2nd edition.

So it WAS just a case of me using the "wrong" word and you using it as a deflection.
You, sir, are awesome.
You win, Kan, as I don't take the fluff that seriously.

Well no, he doesn't have people being set on fire by the shots from the Hellgun. That was the point I was making.

You may have been confused though, because there is a bit in there about "the stench of burnt flesh" being overpowering...but that's what laser weaponry would do. Burn a hole through flesh, cauterizing the wound as they go.

So, had I said that "Dempski-Bowden has Hot-shot Lasgun setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you)" you wouldn't have felt the need to complain?

Given that I'm not the only one who gets these "infered tone/attitudes" from your posts, I'd say it's more than just people misunderstanding you. You aggressively defending yourself whenever someone points this out with long-winded posts filled with emphasis and the fact that you could have just said "it's a common misconception" didnt help either.

So, had I said that "Dempski-Bowden has Hot-shot Lasgun setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you)" you wouldn't have felt the need to complain?

What "complaining"? I'm correcting you.

He never once had anyone being "set on fire" by either Hellguns or Lasguns.

And had you still said "Dembski-Bowden has Hellguns setting people on fire (not full immolation, mind you)" I still would have corrected you.

Lasguns don't "set people on fire". They set clothes on fire if someone's hit with the shots enough times, but they don't set people on fire.

Kanluwen has a point. Two completely different weapon systems. And calling a hot shot las a hellgun because it's "cooler"? A grot is still a grot and not an ork because you call him an ork.

Dark Scipio wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:...

You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.

What are you talking about?

These were my answers;

Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.

Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.

OK.

Do these somehow tell you that I am taking this very seriously?

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Given that I'm not the only one who gets these "infered tone/attitudes" from your posts, I'd say it's more than just people misunderstanding you. You aggressively defending yourself whenever someone points this out with long-winded posts filled with emphasis and the fact that you could have just said "it's a common misconception" didnt help either.

Then maybe people need to step back and realize that I'm not posting aggressively.

And actually, you're pretty much the only person I know of who gets these "inferred tone/attitudes" from my posts.

I don't post "aggressively" or at least I try not to. The problem is that emphasis makes it come across as aggressive or sometimes smarmy.

Maybe I just need to use more fething smileys to keep you off my back.

Kan....you win!

You get your "Internet-high-of-the-day" off of me. Enjoy!

Your pedantic and aggressive manner of posting has me disinclined to continue talking to you.

My Hot-Shot Lasguns are "Hellgun" pattern lasguns with hot-shot parts. =P

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:My Hot-Shot Lasguns are "Hellgun" pattern lasguns with hot-shot parts. =P

I just use Kasrkin models if I feel the need to use Stormtroopers.

I despise the old Stormtrooper models.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:My Hot-Shot Lasguns are "Hellgun" pattern lasguns with hot-shot parts. =P

wait so does that mean they have all the sweet suppression systems that the hot shot lasguns have with hellgun awesomeness? if so i'll take 2 please

I use my own converted ones because 1.) Kasrkins is too expensive to buy en mass for an Inquisitor army and 2.) More excuse for me to call them whatever the hell I want.

EDIT: Mine does ;D

*cue nerdrage*

*Hands case013 two "Hellgun" pattern Hotshot Lasguns*

Steelmage99 wrote:

Dark Scipio wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:...

You dont remember it, but complain. When your someone points out your failure you get rude blame other to be a nerd becaue you cool as your ,, don't take the fluff that seriously." despite showing the exact opposite shortly before.

What are you talking about?

These were my answers;

Yeah, I remember those two situations distinctly. I will not rule out that I have gotten things mixed up.

Yeah, it seems I was wrong about that one, too. Oh well.

OK.

Do these somehow tell you that I am taking this very seriously?

If you dont take the fluff ,,that seriously", why do you complain about something contradicting it?

Kasrkins aren't that expensive, provided you get them secondhand

I got some 30+ Kasrkin, new and in box, for $35 USD off a local player when the new IG book hit.

That's 3 boxes...for around the price of a box! AND what's more, I got enough melta/plasmaguns to field them as hardened veterans in carapace armor!

Of course, after I opened the boxes...they were all missing the flamers. GW was nice enough to send me replacements...but since they changed up their mail order and don't readily have spare bits like that...they sent me THREE MORE PLASMA/MELTAGUN BLISTERS!

You are lucky enough to find those deals. People here love their Kasrkin models, so each box comes to about 45 CAD (which is more or less on par with 45USD now) even when bought on a discount.