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Hi guys and girls, I was thinking about how there has been a lot of discussion about how bad C.S Goto is such a bad writer and makes ridiculous adjustments to the 40k world when he writes his novels, i've only read one but apart from it being quite boring and rushed I couldn't focus on what was wrong in it, so...can anyone post up the things he's taken liberty with in the novels he's writen over the years? i'd just like to know!


thanks everyone!

The list is trivially small, actually.

The internet just needs targets to irrationally hate.

This sort of thing

Everything.

Multilasors...Multilasors!!! multi lzorgs :(

It's not even the multilasers alone.

It's the suggestion that Eldar are all "secretly Slaanesh worshipers", that the Eldar would fall in love with a Space Marine, and the list goes on...

And on.

And on.

Basically: the guy's a self-admitted moron. He tries to play it off now like "LULZ GUYZ JUS' TROLLIN'!" but in reality: he didn't know feth all about what he was doing, and he only got the job because he 'knew a guy'.

I really want to read his works, but approach them as a source of comedy and not seriously trying to read it like I do with other BL books.

Don't forget that apparently throwing rocks at eldar skimmers would cause them to crash to the ground.

And Terminators riding ON TOP of Rhinos

YYYEEEEEE HHHHAAAAWWWWW

According to C.S Goto, Terminators ride on top of Rhinos into battle, firing wildly as they go. Eldar like to surf on rhinos. Marines wield multilazors, not bolters.

And Terminator sergeants (iirc) have the ability to get Cyclone Missile Launchers. And only use them as a back up plan.

Terminators backflip into combat.

Also, everything brays. Although that's just bad writing.

Dashofpepper wrote:According to C.S Goto, Terminators ride on top of Rhinos into battle,

So do regular marines, according to Ben Counter.

According to Goto, the majority of Eldar and Dark Eldar in his novels worship Slaanesh!!! Even Eldrad and the chair of the Ulthwé farseer council cooperate with Slaanesh worshippers! And a fat (!) drooling (!) child molesting (!!!) Eldar farseer from Goto's pet craftworld.

Another example: Eldar Guardians try to block (!) Warp Spiders ... and they succeed!
Another example: Elite Harlequin fighters are mostly characterized as "piles of mutilated bodies" after 10 seconds of fight with a Space Marine.

Oh ... and Tyranids and Necrons bray

Of course Necrons bray!

Have you seen them?!

What books are you guys refering to? I've read the Deathwatch books, but what else?

Hoodwink10 wrote:What books are you guys refering to? I've read the Deathwatch books, but what else?

The DoW books...
I found them entertaining which is what they are supposed to do...
However people hate it because of the massive fluff errors...
Some Fan-fiction is better than Goto which is saying a lot.

Now I want to read them just to find all this stuff.

I'll be honest i missed it the first time so i went over it again...

Ribon Fox wrote:This sort of thing

I'm not a big fan of C.S Goto either, but what is wrong with that sentinel? Apart from being completely illegal in game, it looks pretty cool/like something that could possibly be seen on a battlefield.

This guy's sounding like the Uwe Boll of 40k.

Uwe Boll is pretty good though, he is like the Ed Wood of our generation but his stuff is watchable. I do have a stack of unwatched Uwe next to me, I could well change my mind after I get through it. In the name of the King was good, for instance.

On the multilasers, what is wrong with marines using them? There is no way that a marine could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy? I haven't read any Goto so I'm not trying to defend him or say he is a good writer, but slagging him off because of unorthodox weaponry is a bit of a reach.

Trickstick wrote:Uwe Boll is pretty good though, he is like the Ed Wood of our generation but his stuff is watchable. I do have a stack of unwatched Uwe next to me, I could well change my mind after I get through it. In the name of the King was good, for instance.

No, see...Ed Wood's stuff is good because it's that bad. Add to it that he did everything off his own original ideas and that's what made it work.

Uwe Boll does terrible things and actually has source material to work from.

On the multilasers, what is wrong with marines using them? There is no way that a marine could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy? I haven't read any Goto so I'm not trying to defend him or say he is a good writer, but slagging him off because of unorthodox weaponry is a bit of a reach.

Yes, there's no way that a marine "could pick one up, ever, anywhere in the entire galaxy".

Do you know why?

Multilasers are weapons that are generally mounted on vehicles such as Chimeras and Sentinels. They're also not mounted in such a way that they can be removed without damaging the weapon itself.

And of course, there's the fact that bolters are better than multilasers. And that carrying around a multilaser, the battery, etc would be idiotic when you could be carrying a heavy bolter, lascannon, plasma cannon, multimelta or anything of that nature.

The bit I like from C.S. Goto's work is the Kasrkin who became BFF's with a Terminator, and then the Kasrikin got made into a Marine! How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?

It all came down to Goto not really knowing anything about 40K. The bright side to it all is that since Goto the Black Library has a lot more checks and balances over what its writers can and cannot do. I wish they'd put Matt Ward under the same checks and balances...

Bolter better than multilasers? So all my chimera should rip their turret weapons out and put a single bolter there I suppose. It would be easy for a marine to carry a multilaser, as you said they can carry the other heavy weapons fine. I bet a multilaser is easier to carry than a lascannon.

Also, apparently terminators are forgetful, as they forgot they had cyclone missile launchers until they were being torn to shreds by a carnifex.

Trickstick wrote:Bolter better than multilasers? So all my chimera should rip their turret weapons out and put a single bolter there I suppose. It would be easy for a marine to carry a multilaser, as you said they can carry the other heavy weapons fine. I bet a multilaser is easier to carry than a lascannon.

No, it wouldn't be.

You know how Sentinels have that big battery mounted on the side of their cockpit?

That's the 'auxiliary' battery for their multilaser. As in: that's what keeps the multilaser from completely overloading the power generating capacity of the Sentinel and forcing it to shut down in the middle of combat.

Kanluwen wrote:

Trickstick wrote:Bolter better than multilasers? So all my chimera should rip their turret weapons out and put a single bolter there I suppose. It would be easy for a marine to carry a multilaser, as you said they can carry the other heavy weapons fine. I bet a multilaser is easier to carry than a lascannon.

No, it wouldn't be.

You know how Sentinels have that big battery mounted on the side of their cockpit?

That's the 'auxiliary' battery for their multilaser. As in: that's what keeps the multilaser from completely overloading the power generating capacity of the Sentinel and forcing it to shut down in the middle of combat.

Yes, and the lascannon has a similar battery, yet marines seem perfectly able to carry those.

Did someone doubt the Ed Woodness of the Raging Boll? Cuz I'll cut you! =p

I can only agree with H.B.M.C. though, Goto made BL stricter in their fluff control. And the only way Matt Ward can be edited is with a boxcutter...

Cut you! O_O

H.B.M.C. wrote:The bit I like from C.S. Goto's work is the Kasrkin who became BFF's with a Terminator, and then the Kasrikin got made into a Marine! How can someone who's trained long enough to become a Kasrkin (the type of soldier that gave Eisenhorn the jitters) still be young enough to become a Marine?

It all came down to Goto not really knowing anything about 40K. The bright side to it all is that since Goto the Black Library has a lot more checks and balances over what its writers can and cannot do. I wish they'd put Matt Ward under the same checks and balances...

Actually the Kasrkin i can explain.
He starts off as a normal trooper and gets promoted as the people above him die. He ends up the captain of the stormtrooper company and pretty much the last survivor of the regiment. And, he wasn't young enough, the Blood Ravens were desperate for recruits and he was pushing it he even came out with mutated hands but they kept him.