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You should check out Regnaks DKOK in the p & m section, they are crazy cool.

Here is the link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/290752.page

If you have the skills to deal with resin, they CAN be.
If you don't have those skills, you will probably be horribly disappointed.

They do have some cool stuff that CAN look quite good IF they were assembled and painted by people who know what they were doing.

Elitist or not, this does leave out the majority of gamers who lust after it.

The skills CAN be learned by anyone with patience, though.
It's not especially difficult, but you DO have to LEARN them yourself. I can show you no end of tutorials, but nothing beats REAL hands-on experience.

That said, until they improve their QC, I'll not be touching their stuff with a bargepole (Free replacements of a badly warped and broken kit don't matter if the replacement is JUST as badly cast.).

chromedog wrote:If you have the skills to deal with resin, they CAN be.
If you don't have those skills, you will probably be horribly disappointed.

They do have some cool stuff that CAN look quite good IF they were assembled and painted by people who know what they were doing.

Elitist or not, this does leave out the majority of gamers who lust after it.

The skills CAN be learned by anyone with patience, though.
It's not especially difficult, but you DO have to LEARN them yourself. I can show you no end of tutorials, but nothing beats REAL hands-on experience.

That said, until they improve their QC, I'll not be touching their stuff with a bargepole (Free replacements of a badly warped and broken kit don't matter if the replacement is JUST as badly cast.).

Could you please link some of those tutorials, because I have a few resin bits here and there with which I can practice... Thanks for the link Dantay_xv, and I must say I love you avatar, it makes me laugh every time I see it...

Lol, no worries. Regnak would maybe be able to give good advice on DKOK too.

As a side not, I love to look at FW kits, but so far only bought 1, A FW Space Wolves dread. It is a beautiful model, but I had to do a fair bit of work on the back to get the engine to fit properly, then GS around the lower parts of the exhaust.

It was a bit of work, but I considered it worth the time because of the potential that the model holds.... and while my painting isnt brilliant I think it is one of the best models I have.

For me FW is a luxury item and not something which is a "must have", it enhances my army.

For you, unless you can source second hand DKOK or make your own, then yes it is worth it to you to have the FW models, as you may not be able to get them anywhere else.
Remember this is your army and your vision and as your army it should reflect something about you in it. Thats what will make it worth it in the end, whether it is FW or not.

Yes the avatar pic makes me giggle too, its my son Ben wearing my wifes glasses.... he is a cutie but far too edstructive to get near my models.

if you happen to get FW items that are made in china they are of superb quality with zero to minimal flash and things that need to be fixed, its sad but its the truth.

Deathklaat wrote:if you happen to get FW items that are made in china they are of superb quality with zero to minimal flash and things that need to be fixed, its sad but its the truth.

I wouldn't call it sad, I'm finding it a good change.

dantay_xv wrote:
For you, unless you can source second hand DKOK or make your own, then yes it is worth it to you to have the FW models, as you may not be able to get them anywhere else.
Remember this is your army and your vision and as your army it should reflect something about you in it. Thats what will make it worth it in the end, whether it is FW or not.

QFT. Hehehhehe, its true, he is quite cute... Lets just hope he doesn't get near any of your models!
Anyways, are there any other people who also have had good models from FW made in China, like Deathklaat said?

I've had a few FW items that were cast in China, haven't had anything too special, they still had mould lines and some flash as usual.

No big defects like major warpage or air bubbles (which I have experienced with UK casted items). You really won't notice any difference except for the "Made in China" logo on the front of the bag.

Oh ok, so did they replace the minies with major defects? I've heard a bit that FW have pretty bad customer service....

Completely untrue, most times a quick call to forgeworld and they will replace the part or sometimes even the full kit. My punisher cannons for my vulture snapped on transit, and a quick call to forgeworld had them fully replaced.

The worst they'll do is ask for an email to prove that it's miscast or broken, but they're pretty decent in their customer service.

Ooooh, thanks for clearing that up Snarky.

tehbarry wrote:

micahaphone wrote:SIG IT!

As a side note, the DKOK models are some of the best made by forgeworld. If you can afford them, and you have a legitimate desire to see the project to the finish, that's great. Make sure you do their bases justice. Here, lemme find a good tutorial here on dakka....

EDIT: here it is, someone else's DKOK's basing scheme, of muddy battlefields with some of the best barbed wire I've ever seen.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/314348.page

Thanks for the tutorial, but I was thinking more of a nuclear winter, since I read a bit of imperial armour 5. It just made me think of trench fighting on snow covered no mans land...

Cool! I don't know the best brand for snow flock-stuff, but one little tip I picked up is to sprinkle a little baking powder into the mix, as it lends the "pure white" feel to it that strikes the eyes as "real snow with some sunlight". Or, if you want to have ice crystals in the snow, you can sprinkle just a tiny bit of table salt in.

Interesting, I will definitely try that out on a test mini at some point tommorow... Thanks for the advice Micaphone

Not to go too OT, but the snow flock from citadel isn't as bad as people say.

These minis were based using the good ol' flock/superglue method.

ITT: Haters Gonna Hate, Trolls Gonna Troll.

Forgeworld is fine. Learn to model.

Currently own 2 of the Greater Demons, 1 Plaguehulk, 50 Plague Marines, 50 World Eaters, 20 FW Chaos Terminators. Approximately a Dozen Rhinos with doors/armor. ! Chaos Landraider with doors. Necrosius, Zhufor and a bunch of terrain peices. Total kits needing replacement: 2 (one Rhino door set that was left out and 1 armor kit that was missing a piece.)

Forgeworld is fine to anyone that isn't taking a vested interest in being a goon fighting with goons on the internet.

FW stuff can be worth it.

Admittedly you can make your won stuff whch coudl look better. But this is provided you have the time/money/skill/perseverance to do so.

I love my FW models (Shadowsword, Iron Warrior Dread and Hell Talon fighter). But i also hated the Brass Scorpion enough to make my own which i think looks nicer (and costs a lot less)

I would not rely on FW for your everyday run-of-the-mill models. i personally woudl go to FW for centerpieces and outstanding unit only.

Bear in mind that som Tourneys nay not allow FW models so you coudl be spending your money for nowt.

I have purchased a handful of forgeworld stuff. The flashing is annoying, but I've been happy with the results for me.

Each item that I have bought has been worth it. However, the titans and super heavies aren't worth the price TO ME. But that's the subjective question that you have to ask yourself.

I tend to look for the titans/supers on ebay these days.

Mainly because I wouldnt have the patience to build/clean them and sometimes they are cheaper


I did just order some Mk 3 and Mk 5 armour from forgeworld, first thing Ive bought direct from them!

Alright this whole complaining about warped peices from FW has to stop... it is a simple fix!

boil some water..

put warped peices into boiling water...

remove after 10 seconds...

reshape...

like honestly, i have bought over 3000$ from forge world, and yes alot of it like tank barrels and wings have been warped, but big deal this is a hobby, if you cant make a simple fix your in the wrong hobby!

The only complaint i have ever had from forge world was they forgot to ship a DKOK vanquisher i bought, but they appoligised and sent me a masterclass book for free with it! Their customer service is amazing and without them 40k would be alot less intresting!

So suck it up Forge World haters or go cast your own titans!


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jae4x4 wrote:Alright this whole complaining about warped peices from FW has to stop... it is a simple fix!

boil some water..

put warped peices into boiling water...

remove after 10 seconds...

reshape...

like honestly, i have bought over 3000$ from forge world, and yes alot of it like tank barrels and wings have been warped, but big deal this is a hobby, if you cant make a simple fix your in the wrong hobby!

The only complaint i have ever had from forge world was they forgot to ship a DKOK vanquisher i bought, but they appoligised and sent me a masterclass book for free with it! Their customer service is amazing and without them 40k would be alot less intresting!

So suck it up Forge World haters or go cast your own titans!


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Wow your lucky, congrats on getting a free imperial armour masterclass! Oh yeah, and what mini is that? The camouflage is very well paitned.

forge world models are definately worth the money if you are not woried about taking a long time washing, cleaning and asembeling a lot of quite fragile components. (in other words only for verry experienced modelers). However the models are very nice and the rules are generaly good in the game.

tehbarry wrote:

jae4x4 wrote:Alright this whole complaining about warped peices from FW has to stop... it is a simple fix!

boil some water..

put warped peices into boiling water...

remove after 10 seconds...

reshape...

like honestly, i have bought over 3000$ from forge world, and yes alot of it like tank barrels and wings have been warped, but big deal this is a hobby, if you cant make a simple fix your in the wrong hobby!

The only complaint i have ever had from forge world was they forgot to ship a DKOK vanquisher i bought, but they appoligised and sent me a masterclass book for free with it! Their customer service is amazing and without them 40k would be alot less intresting!

So suck it up Forge World haters or go cast your own titans!


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Wow your lucky, congrats on getting a free imperial armour masterclass! Oh yeah, and what mini is that? The camouflage is very well paitned.

It is a Marauder Bomber.

huntho21 wrote:forge world models are definately worth the money if you are not woried about taking a long time washing, cleaning and asembeling a lot of quite fragile components. (in other words only for verry experienced modelers). However the models are very nice and the rules are generaly good in the game.

Most of the people I have known who complained about the extra effort needed with FW stuff are the same ones who don't bother to clip spruce spots, clean mold lines and/or don't bother to paint their stuff. People with gray, unkempt armies complaining about my cleaned and (table top quality) painted army. "Why do you bother?" was one persons comment (a badly assembled unpainted SM/SW/BA/flavor of the month player)
I love how people often think FW ruler are under/over powered. I agree that they are generally good. Yes, some are unbalanced, but then so are some GW rules. It's one reason I love my Elysians (and I love the models and fluff)

Snarky wrote:

tehbarry wrote:Wow, a lot of good views being shared here... Interesting... Anyways, some of you asked what I was looking at specifically over at FW, and that would be Death Korps of Krieg. Also, what is so dangerous about resin dust? Isn't it the same as normal dust?

Resin dust is a carcinogen. If you breath it in, it increases the chances you'll get lung cancer.

This is actually sort of a misnomer. Resin dust is only carcinogenic if it's fine enough to enter the lung capilliaries, and the only way of getting it that fine is to machine the parts (like with a belt sander). ANY dust has this property - dirt, chalk, custard powder, walking through a city breathing in exhaust. If you're concerned, wear a dust mask, but otherwise you will be fine.

I've bought many of the smaller forgeworld pieces like shoulder pads, rhino/lr door etc and a couple of the big ones (warhound titan, thunderhawk gunship). The Thunderhawk was alot more trouble in terms of casting and molding or whatever than any of the others but now that it's together I love it. I don't think there's any question that to me from a model/painting standpoint they are well worth it. Also from a collection standpoint they are great centerpieces which is mostly what prompted my purchases. I remember seeing the all metal thunderhawk in a magazine when I was first into the hobby and I remember wanting it very badly but at that age I didn't have any hope of putting together the cash to spend on that kind of indulgence.

From a gaming side however it is rare at least for me to play apocalypse enough to justify the purchases on those grounds alone. at 900 and 750 points for the gunship and warhound you need a pretty big game to include them. Coupled with the fact I work most weekends means I don't get a ton of chances to field them. I don't care so much though. It's a treat to use them when I can and I consider them worth the investment.

In regard to OP's question it's going to be a personal choice based on how much disposable income you have to invest in the product against how badly you really want one. If the value to you is more than the cost go for it. From a gaming side how big an army do you have? How often do you play apocalypse?

The_Stormrider wrote:From a gaming side how big an army do you have? How often do you play apocalypse?

Actually, I'm planning on starting a DKoK siege regiment army. I've never played apocalypse before though.

I love DKoK. I think those are some of the best models forgeworld has ever done. I would gladly let someone use them or their rules in any game just to see the models on the table. It will be alot of work with all that resin but I think very rewarding if you're into the modeling and painting. Not to tell you how to spend your money but I think you'll enjoy it, and in my limited experience with FW infantry (hector rex and retinue) it shouldn't be too terrible a workload to prep the models for painting. Good luck with it if you decide to take the plunge.

Thanks stormrider! Actually, it will still be a bit before I order it, as I dont have that much money right now... Why must it be so hard to get money when your a minor?! WHY!!!!!
Did you find that the models broke easily, because quite a lot of people have been saying that FW minis are quite fragile?

Just speaking for myself, I can't justify the expense, even if the FW pieces do look amazing.

YMMV, though.

J

In my opinion its worth the price that you pay for them. Im collected DKoK, becouse i wanted something other then cadians, i had looked at the older metal ranges, but, why spend 45 on a metal box that looks so so, when i can get one for 55 that looks killer?